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[Peacemaker]

Everyone seems caught up in England...So I thought while you guys try and figure tube stops, I'll go back to Rome, Remember "On the right line?"

Going back to the original clue message, it starts with the beginning: "Starting between the hills look for the fun and games of Etruscan monarchs"
Now looking at this line, Hilohello got it first, the Circus Maximus, which a quick look on wikipedia pretty much proves it...
"The Circus Maximusis an ancient hippodrome and mass entertainment venue located in Rome. Situated in the valley between the Aventine and Palatine hills, it was the first and largest circus in ancient Rome.

Then we look at the 2nd part: "and seek Egidio"
ok what have we learned about Egidio?
-The Italian name of the Christian Saint Giles.
-Saint Giles withdrew from society, found by a King who built him a monastary in his valley. This monastary was known as Saint-Gilles-du-Gard. "The tomb in the abbey Giles was said to have founded, in St-Gilles-du-Gard, became a place of pilgrimage and a stop on the road that led from Arles to Santiago de Compostela, the pilgrim Way of St. James." (wikipedia.com)
-As Hilohello also pointed out, there is a San Egidio mission across the river from the Circus Maximus

Then look at the next line: "From his cave of a different empire, you may travel"
So we look at the St-Gilles-du-Gard monastary (the tomb aka cave of Giles and also his home) in France (a different empire-Giles was from Greece)

I believe the Starting point would be the St-Gilles-du-Gard, which is fitting as it is a place of pilgrimage, and a stop of a pilgrimage which goes through Rome as well.

(Thank you wikipedia for various information used)

Looking through the next part, post when I have something.
-peace

[agentgr33n]

[Peacemaker]

yes i remember you posting that. I know, I was going away from London, currently i am looking at other places in the world which relate to the Saint Egidio (Giles)...totally forgot about the mentioning of Turkey though, looking into that. I dont think the st giles circus fits the empire part exactly. st giles is french not italian...so far we got rome(etruscan)-Greece(where Egidio is from)-France(Giles)-London(where the murder seems to have taken place, and also st. giles circus)

so still that is not a starting point. I saw the tomb pilgrimage and it worked with the cave in another empire. I was simply taking it step by step as Dirk said is best in an investigation :]
the next step is finding other possiblities. remember also, believing everything one may say can lead one down a false trail. how do you know everything we are given is correct? so far it seems Dirk agrees with just about everything but at the same time doesn't.
"that is a very good lead, but i am not sure how that ties in..."
"Well, I think the st. Giles Circus seems is logical...where does the empire clue fit in?"
he seems to be saying makes some sense, but nice try, go again.

By the way, I looked at both pilgrimages which include the giles tomb...nothing i could see that seemed to connect at all, or seem to work with the next part.

Edit: Turkey...used to be part of the Ottoman Empire (aka of a different empire) but I still don't understand where the hell Turkey came from in the first place....Turkey used to also be part of Greece.

Edit: Haha ok typing in Turkey Egidio into google gets this:
Recently in Turkey, what is thought to be the 1st Christain Church was closed due to structual issues. Guess the name of the church...The Cave Church of St. Peter...guess what else is in the article, "Capuchin Father Egidio Picucci, noted historian of Turkey and the Early Church"
(http://www.mliles.com/melkite/indexmelkiteotherturkey.shtml)
weird coincidence.

[cigarman]

grrrrrrrrrrr peacemaker ive spent half a day doing exactly the same thng and comming to the same conclusion grrrrrr the only thing you missed out was he was archbishop of paris at one time ""

[Peacemaker]

oh really? ya missed that archbishop part. yes other people have come to the same conclusion, i was bringing it up putting out a different way to get there, and to bring the idea back a bit. people are so caught up with the london trains that they haven't been paying attention to the fact that we don't actually know where to start yet.

[cigarman]

for me the hills the etruscan monarch basilica of st peter (the lords cat )egidio all point to rome for me ?? ok ive been wrong before but its another theory by the way as you said edigio was turkish so the vatican could be his cave in the roman empire ""

[makyla77]

Ok the only reason i came with that London tube map is because today DIrk wrote me an email in which he said this:

Quote:

All I can determine, by talking with others, is that the directions seem to relate to the tube map...

So if you do a little googling with the words tube map...well it gives you right away the London tube map....or maybe Dirk is trying to give us a wrong direction
I just thought that taking every clue into consideration here was the key to finding this STARTING point since NO one still knows where we start so i do think that we need to consider every option we find before disregarding information.

[Peacemaker]

i never said it was wrong to look at the london tube map...i was simply going in a different direction while others looked at that. doesn't hurt to have people look at things from a different perspective.

Hey cigarman --- thinking about rome...lets start Greece. Greece used to encompass a huge area, including Rome and modern day Turkey. Greece became the Roman Empire and the Ottoman Empire. Try looking more into finding a relation between Egidio and the Ottoman Empire, Dirk kept mentioning Turkey as being an empire. Look at the definition of Circus as well. there are various ways of relating Circus Maximus (St. Giles Circus is a great example, and i think is on the right track) Check out the Hippodrome of Constantinople.
im going to eat, ill research more later.

[agentgr33n]

all i was trying to say is iv already tried that trail. not whether i was right or wrong. there is no right or wrong answer if there is no definite answer but it seemed to me that dirk wanted me to stay in london with it all. if he wants to give me false information thats cool but hes the only person were getting information from so ill take what i can get. and im sorry if it came off bad.it really doesnt help that we dont know exactly where to start. and that dirk cant give us any real info and cant or wont answer our questions.but really i say mail him your thoughts and ideas see what he says we can only get more information. good or bad.

and lets just say it is the london tubes. after looking at this map its in sections. maybe we need to go those section north or south? but that doesnt seem to make to much sense either.

heres the link...
http://images.intolondon.com/images/intolondon/transport-maps/london-underground-tube-map.gif

[Peacemaker]

ya i was looking at the london map before...decided to get away from london cause it wasnt getting me anywhere really.
The only thing I noticed, is if you mark on the map where all the "hill" stops are, it makes a sort of valley "between the hills". all the hills are in a line on the top and bottom of the map, NONE in the middle. St. Giles Circus is in the middle at the Tottenham Court Road stop. But then there is still the Empire and Cave part...which the only thing I could come up with is the fact that St. Giles Circle is from the Roman Period, when the Roman Empire tried taking London. But that's kinda stretching it. The cave I have no idea.

[agentgr33n]

[makyla77]

Well for the cave of a different time ...I,m pretty sure we got it.
Its talking about the etruscan time and after saying a cave froma different time (sorry if its not the exact quote) well the undergournd london is a cave of a different time..not being in the time if etruscan.
And like agentgr33n I do think that we need to take the clues Dirk is giving us ...which led us to the tube map.

EDIT: I like your idea too agentgr33n about the starting point ...we might as well try that...we have nothing else really now...been talking to people in irc about it and we looked at the london map for a while but couldnt find really nothing.

[Peacemaker]

Dirk also said other things...I have yet to figure out Turkey...any ideas?
And i guess that works for cave...though its a cave of a different Empire remember not time. Technically you could say the Roman Empire versus the British Empire so that still works, and yet Dirk was saying that the empire part wasn't there...
which is why i dont think that is the right spot.

[agentgr33n]

[phomaster]

forgot to post this when i got it awhile ago...ironically it's exactly what you want to know