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[Email] James Mutters - 30 June 2008
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Canzonett
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 		Oh, I love these "find out the language" missions! Pity that I always seem to miss the start of the discussion, though ...

One thought before I must leave to work: We should check information about Philipp (or other possible solutions) with a reliable reference book (New Pauly?), not just wikipedia bits etc. I am not entirely sure, but wasn't Cleopatra even one of his daughters?

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ariock
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ariock wrote:
I've emailed it to my step-brother's American/Persian wife. Hopefully she can translate. She seems to think it might be a dialect of some sort...
(meaning she might need to have a friend of hers do it)


ALLLLLLLL right.
she says it's not Persian. Thinks maybe Arabic. She's working on it still.
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 		By the way, I think we have to make this topic IG in the near future.
How will we make it?

And I remember that Eli assigned this mission to Ariadne ... does she know the situation?

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unagi wrote:
By the way, I think we have to make this topic IG in the near future.
How will we make it?

And I remember that Eli assigned this mission to Ariadne ... does she know the situation?


Sorry, bit out of the loop (went home this weekend and my parents are ludites with poor internet connection) but what was it Eli set Alex to do? I'm confused. I think I'm gonna spend tomorrow just catching up. And going to class, have to stay on top of real life as well.

P.S. I think it proper to start calling her by her real name. She's embraced it, we should too.

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Cineball wrote:
unagi wrote:
By the way, I think we have to make this topic IG in the near future.
How will we make it?

And I remember that Eli assigned this mission to Ariadne ... does she know the situation?


Sorry, bit out of the loop (went home this weekend and my parents are ludites with poor internet connection) but what was it Eli set Alex to do? I'm confused. I think I'm gonna spend tomorrow just catching up. And going to class, have to stay on top of real life as well.


I'm sorry for confusing you. I thought this email meant Eli gave her the mission, which was intended to keep her from labyrinths.
Eli wrote:
A team cannot function without its dikaiosune. So I have devised a plan to play on Ariadne's strengths. There is one mission for team agonothetai that has nothing to do with labyrinths. A mission to recover the lost ring. The real lost ring.


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P.S. I think it proper to start calling her by her real name. She's embraced it, we should too.

I'm just following Noriko ... well, I don't mind changing.

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mr.judkins wrote:
In the leadup to today's planned interception, I dropped Eli an email to run our Gallery choice past him. I linked him to Ariock's Google map we've been working with, and this was his reply:

Eli Hunt wrote:
How very clever -- of both the counter-agonothetai to devise this public cahcing scheme, and of course for the agonothetai to have intercepted and deciphered it!

I have gone through your solution and it appears solid to me in most respects.

However, the natural labyrinth design shown on the left of the map seems to me to be a more likely pattern for the actual labyrinth starting at the former tattoo museum. That is to say, it seems likely they are using labyrinth patterns on top of maps, or perhaps even satellite images, rather than tracing labyrinth patterns in the street -- thus allowing the counter-agonothetai to use more classical labyrinth designs and not be concerned with particular streets. I have reached this conclusion because it seems more possible to replicate according to the instructions. Using the streets, there seems much more room for error -- unlikely that the counter-agonthetai would leave such an important mission open to multiple interpretations of street patterns.

Therefore, it seems that while your solution is almost certainly quite close, perhaps you should be prepared to do a thorough investigation of other locations nearby. The ring should be in plain sight on display, as the message suggests.

I can't be certain, but my mapping of a traditional labyrinth pattern (instead of a street pattern) at that size, at a bearing of 12 Zeus lands the center just slightly eastward of your solution.

I will eagerly await news of your mission.

Sincerely yours,

Eli Hunt


We'll have a look at his suggestions ourselves - but what do others think? We're thinking it may even be easier to draw it by hand on a paper map. Other than that, I may just have to get off work earlier and scope out the whole general area. We're close - but we'll see whether we're bang on...


I know we are already solving the second message. But here a picture of what Eli probably meant with classical design. Could be important for the next messages how to find the center.

[EDIT] green pin in centre: Pop Up Gallery; lower blue bubble at labyrinth entrance: Tattoo Museum
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 		Just asked an Algerian colleague of mine about the first half of the message. His hunch is that it's not Arab - he also supposes it might hiss from Pakistan instead (our school works with students from a variety of nationalities).
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AUZ505 wrote:
I know we are already solving the second message. But here a picture of what Eli probably meant with classical design. Could be important for the next messages how to find the center.

[EDIT] green pin in centre: Pop Up Gallery; lower blue bubble at labyrinth entrance: Tattoo Museum


Your drawing is probably right. The only problem with that is that the message said that the "cross" is located along that Zeus line. In other words, you'd still have to rotate the classical labyrinth design to the left a few degrees til the cross intersected the line. At that point, the final destination will be near the Mark Hutchins Gallery.
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 		talked to friend, he says it's not arabic, hindi, or urdu, or any of the indian / pakistani dialects. He said that certain vowels sounded the same as Farsi, and speculated that it may be Turkish, or something spoken around that area.
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 		Has anyone excluded Hebrew already, I mean Ivrit?

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ariock wrote:
Your drawing is probably right. The only problem with that is that the message said that the "cross" is located along that Zeus line. In other words, you'd still have to rotate the classical labyrinth design to the left a few degrees til the cross intersected the line. At that point, the final destination will be near the Mark Hutchins Gallery.


Very nice map AUZ505!

If the labyrinth is shifted directly west so that the cross is along the indicated Zeus axis, wouldn't the actual starting point for the labyrinth 'wall' be right on the green pin?

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ariock wrote:
AUZ505 wrote:
I know we are already solving the second message. But here a picture of what Eli probably meant with classical design. Could be important for the next messages how to find the center.

[EDIT] green pin in centre: Pop Up Gallery; lower blue bubble at labyrinth entrance: Tattoo Museum


Your drawing is probably right. The only problem with that is that the message said that the "cross" is located along that Zeus line. In other words, you'd still have to rotate the classical labyrinth design to the left a few degrees til the cross intersected the line. At that point, the final destination will be near the Mark Hutchins Gallery.


From where is the information that the cross should be along the Zeus line? I can't find it in Eli's message. For me the "Zeus line" is just a information how much the labyrinth has to be turned and the center is where the green pin is.
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 		Just rounding up the various suggestions to keep track of our theories more easily.

Disproven :
Arabic, Turkish, Kurdish, Persian, Arabic, Hindu, Hurdu, Pakistani (and similar languages of the area), Navajo, Polish.

Suggestions :
Hebrew, Aramean, Chaldean, Assyrian, Armenian, Serbian languages.
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 		Armenian?

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