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[Email] James Mutters - 30 June 2008
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ariock
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 		Highest may also mean the tallest building...
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 		Which part of the labyrinth is meant by "the first turn on the left"?

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unagi wrote:
Which part of the labyrinth is meant by "the first turn on the left"?

AUZ thought it was here, and I can't find any fault with that.

Ok. assuming the "entrance" is at the first corner, and that the "entrance" is the stairs going up to the Science Museum itself, I've drawn the outer edge of a 7-circuit on the map. I've put red pins where there appear to be large buildings. Maybe that's the meaning of "Highest Point" but I don't know.

These are all guesses.
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 		Wow. I am reading and following your discussion in awe. So great to have all this expertise gathered on the forum. However, we should not forget that we might be running out of time and should hurry to solve this problem, find the ring (and hopefully get a clue to the next one's location!) ...

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Canzonett wrote:
However, we should not forget that we might be running out of time and should hurry to solve this problem, find the ring (and hopefully get a clue to the next one's location!) ...

I agree with you. And some people in Noriko's forum want to look for the ring this Sunday.

Thanks to the email from James to dreamerblue, now Noriko's forum has a thread for the second ring, and several people are discussing there.

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 		Double post.

1. "Au premier tournant à gauche" should be "with the left turning first", and this phrase describes the handedness of the labyrinth. It's not a point.

2. Not the seventh position, but the seventh circuit. The armenian word յոթերորդ (it sounds like "yoterord") meaning "seventh" is followed by the word which sounds exactly "circuit". Armenian words meaning position or point don't sound like this, as far as I have investigated.

3. In the French translation, there's no phrase meaning "the entrance of the Museum of National Sciences". Just "the Museum of National Sciences".

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unagi wrote:
Double post.

1. "Au premier tournant à gauche" should be "with the left turning first", and this phrase describes the handedness of the labyrinth. It's not a point.

2. Not the seventh position, but the seventh circuit. The armenian word յոթերորդ (it sounds like "yoterord") meaning "seventh" is followed by the word sounds exactly "circuit". Armenian words meaning position or point don't sound like this, as far as I have investigated.

3. In the French translation, there's no phrase meaning "the entrance of the Museum of National Sciences". Just "the Museum of National Sciences".


wow. great work.

So what are your thoughts? You know the map is publicly editable, so feel free to delete any points you like. Where are you thinking the start point should be? If you figure out which circuit it should be, I can make another ring of points similar to the one I did before to make locating likely destinations easier.
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unagi wrote:
Double post.

1. "Au premier tournant à gauche" should be "with the left turning first", and this phrase describes the handedness of the labyrinth. It's not a point.

2. Not the seventh position, but the seventh circuit. The armenian word յոթերորդ (it sounds like "yoterord") meaning "seventh" is followed by the word sounds exactly "circuit". Armenian words meaning position or point don't sound like this, as far as I have investigated.

3. In the French translation, there's no phrase meaning "the entrance of the Museum of National Sciences". Just "the Museum of National Sciences".



Wow okay so putting this together in a cleaned up version with the rest of the translation (just because I like to see it all complete):

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The former location of ring number 2 is 8644 stadia in the direction of Artemis 11 from Omphalos n°3.
I moved it from there 5176 stadia in the direction of Ares 12.
The ring has today been restituted/given back/returned from the seventh circuit towards the highest point of the outmost path of the (Zakynthos ? Hakynthos ?).
With the left turning first, 26.183 stadias wide from one end to the other, there where the entrance to the labyrinth is also the Museum of National Sciences, in the direction of Aphrodite (n° ?) 5.
When you're done, before taking the next step, before giving the ring, you must give its owner (keeper ?) the password.


Does that seem right so far? I've marked in italics the bits that still seem really uncertain to me.

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The ring has today been restituted/given back/returned from the seventh circuit towards the highest point of the outmost path of the (Zakynthos ? Hakynthos ?).


Babelfishing the french version with my correction:

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The ring has today restored/returned/turned over successfully since (or " towards là" recording bad, but more probable " depuis") 7th circuit towards the culminating point of the path most external of " Zakynthos?? Hakynthos?? ".

And I think "towards" is the correct translation from the context.

And ariock, I think the first version of your map was basically correct. I mean, starting from the National Science Museum, going one path width towards 335 degrees, then 12.0/12.5/13.0/13.5 path widths towards 245 degrees. It depends on the definition of the entrance of the labyrinth and the choice of outmost path or outmost wall.

But I would like to wait before making conclusion ... I want to listen to the voicemail more.

EDIT: I made a mistake, not 12.0/12.5/13.0/13.5, but 11.0/11.5/12.0/12.5.

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 		Today I'm sorry for being busy, and I could transcribed only several words last evening ....

oh օղակ (ring)այժմ (now) հաջող(successful)cha, baffazei յոթերորդ(seventh) circuit.
ah printo see ամենա(most), արտաքին(external)araetie, ahpanahkentin.

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 		Triple post.

My destination candidates.
The candidate 12.5 is almost the same as one of the first three candidates by ariock.

EDIT: seeing the figure in ariock's post, I now think there's no chance for 11.5/11.0 candidates.


It's too difficult for me to listen to Armenian more.
Would it be possible to ask Mrs Donabedian to transcribe the voicemail with Armenian characters?
We need detailed meaning of several words ... for example, the armenian word corresponding to le point culminant.

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 		Do you think we could ask these guys for help?

http://www.groong.org/

Maybe also this woman: http://www.katypearce.net/resume.pdf

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 		Brainstorming..

Last translation says "towards the 'highest point' of the outermost path"
Two of the highest points in Tokyo are Tokyo Tower (too south) and Tokyo Metropolitan Gov't Building (too west).
The Tokyo Metropolitan Gov't Building is in the skyscraper district in Nishi-Shinjuku. So all of those are too far west.

'Highest point' - also translated as 'on the top' and 'upper point' and could mean western most, or northern most.

On 26.183, vs. 21.183. It sounds like 26 on the audio - k'san vets.

However, the 26.183 stadia could be width. Classical labyrinths tend to be in the scale of 4 - 5 height - width.
If 26.183 stadia (4.844km) is the width, the height could be only 3.8 km.

It bugs me that nothing stands out in these areas. No "highest point" no "gallery" or "studio".
I'm researching English maps of Tokyo.

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 		User "Epics" has posted an email from Eli on the wiki:

http://olympics.wikibruce.com/Lost_Rings

Eli wrote:
My best guess would be based on ancient Greek ways of describing the
geography of labyrinths. The "highest point" is what you would also
call the "peak" of a circuit. The ancients used the term "peak" when
writing about Cretan labyrinths to describe the point of a circuit
that is furthest from the exit. Therefore, it seems that the peak of
the 7th circuit of the labyrinth you've attached in in the outermost
circuit somewhere just above those two 7-11s, like the top of a
triangle if each 7-11 is a point on the triangle as well. If that does
not make sense, please share this theory with other sofias to help you
find the correct location/
All of your other calculations and labyrinth layouts seem quite right
to me, as does the solution to the password that others have sent. So
please let me know if there is a gallery in the vicinity of that
point, and I will wait to hear your successful news of lost ring
recovery!

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unagi wrote:
Triple post.

My destination candidates.

looks like unagi, or Epics is updating unagi's map.

It's got the triangle with the 2 7/11's as the base.
Now to find nearby galleries.

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