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La Sesa Ringo - Ring Four
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 		La Sesa Ringo - Ring Four
James wrote:
Hi everyone,

I guess they really don't believe that we're on to them because they keep leaving voicemails... I found this one this morning... so here you go! Hopefully we can get it re-recorded quickly! They're so suspicious these days! I'm traveling so I can't be much use, but Eli is always available to help out (when he responds to emails, that is).

You've all had some really good ideas for how we can get around the new regulations... let's keep in touch this weekend while you all figure out where this ring is being kept, then we can come up with a plan of attack from there. I'm pretty sure that I will not qualify as a senior executive member, nor will I be able to get to that level in time.

Like I said, we'll be in touch.

-James



The message sounds Russian to me... any ideas? I'll run it by my Russian and Hungarian friends to check.
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 		Re: La Sesa Ringo - Ring Four
Sounds like Russian.
Thank you very much, Laura, for uploading the voicemail and looking for the person who can translate it!

Although I think it would take more labor, it would be appreciated if transcription or word-by-word translation could be given.

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 		English:

Quote:
Tell the ringkeeper, of the 23 different sporting events ever held at the ancient Olympics the name of
the sporting event that was added 12 years after
the sport that was added 40 years before
the sport that was added 28 years after
the sport that was added 208 years before
the sport that was added 104 years before
the sport that was added 196 years before
the sport that was added 556 years after
the first Olympic sport was invented.


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 		Thank you, sapagoo, I did the same thing, but was slow.

The first Olympic sport = stadion
The year that was invented = the year of the first Olympic game ? = B.C. 776 ?

776 - 556 + 196 + 104 + 208 - 28 + 40 - 12 = 728

... diaulos?

Diaulos was added on 724 B.C. but seems the second sport that was added to Olympic games.

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 		If the speaker was correct, then 728 BC would be correct, and the Diaulos, introduced in 724 BC would have to be the closest answer.

But none of the other dates would match up.
http://corinth.sas.upenn.edu/dgr/otherclips/ancgames.html lists the 23 events and starting dates as
Code:
       Event                                  First Held
-------------------                           ----------
1.  Stadion (footrace, 192 meters)              776 B.C.
2.  Diaulos (footrace, 384 meters)              724 B.C.
3.  Dolichos (long-distance race, 192 meters)   720 B.C.
4.  Pentathlon (wrestling, stadion,             708 B.C.
    long jump, discus, javelin)
5.  Wrestling                                   708 B.C.
6.  Boxing                                      688 B.C.
7.  Four-horse chariot race                     680 B.C.
8.  Pankration (wrestling, boxing,              648 B.C.
    general free-for all)
9.  Horse race                                  648 B.C.
10. Stadion for boys**                          628 B.C.
11. Wrestling for boys**                        628 B.C.
12. Pentathlon for boys**                       628 B.C.
13. Boxing for boys**                           616 B.C.
14. Race in armor                               525 B.C.
15. Mule-cart race                              500 B.C.
16. Horse race for mares                        496 B.C.
17. Two-horse chariot race                      408 B.C.
18. Competitions for heralds (sort of a         396 B.C.
    town crier)
19. Competitions for trumpeters                 396 B.C.
20. Four-colt chariot race                      384 B.C.
21. Two-colt chariot race                       268 B.C.
22. Colt race                                   256 B.C.
23. Pankration for boys**                       200 B.C.


Dante has guessed that the voice-mail speaker may have meant 576 years, instead of 556 years.

That would give
708 pentathlon (the sporting event)
720 dolichos
680 four-horse chariot (tethrippon)
708 wrestling (the sport)
500 mule-cart race (apene)
396 Heralds/trumpeters
200 Pankration for boys
776 Stadion - first olympics

Both the pentathlon & wrestling were introduced in 708. You could make a case that wrestling is the sport, and pentathlon was the sporting event.

On the other hand, if you keep 776BC as the starting date for the first recorded Olympics, and 556 years as the speaker says, then the years would be
728 (diaulos?) 740, 700, 728 (diaulos?), 520, 416, 220, 776 (stadion)
But those dates just don't match up well to "introduced" events.

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 		Re: La Sesa Ringo - Ring Four
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http://www.museum.upenn.edu/new/olympics/events.html has a nice timeline. No sport was added in 728 BC. The other problem with using diaulos is that none of the intermediate years match up -- i.e., no sport was added 12 years before diaulos. For that matter, no sport was added in 740 BC (12 years before 728 BC) either. I'm guessing that the TheO agent was reading from a piece of paper with a typo. So let's look at the intermediate steps, and see if we can find a match:

  • Wrestling and the pentathlon were both added in 708 BC.
  • That's 12 years after 720 BC, when the dolichos (a long-distance race) was added.
  • That's 40 years before 680 BC, when the tethrippon (a chariot-race with four horses) was added.
  • That's 28 years after 708 BC (again), when wrestling and the pentathlon were added.
  • That's 208 years before 500 BC, when the apene (a mule-cart race) was added.
  • That's 104 years before 396 BC, when competitions for heralds and trumpeters were added.
  • That's 196 years before 200 BC, when the pankration (a combination of wrestling and boxing) for boys was added.
  • That's 556 years after 756 BC, when... umm... darn it.

If it were 576 years, we'd have a perfect match. It isn't, but as I said I'm betting on some sort of typo. All of the other intervals match years in which sports were added. That fact that this chain visits 708 BC twice and that two sports were added that year, seems to cinch it for me. So if I'm right, then the answer is either wrestling or pentathlon. (Or possibly both, if it's a trick question.) Thoughts?

Edit: Why do I bother? Mr. Green
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 		Thanks, sapagoo and shad0, I agree something was wrong.
Pentathlon should be the keyword.

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 		Shad0 - thanks for the independent confirmation. Makes me feel better about everything.

unagi - as near as I can tell, the pentathlon was 5 events, so wrestling, long jump, discus, and spear throwing were all "introduced" as part of the pentathlon. But of those 4, it seems that wrestling was the only event that competed separately from the pentathlon. My gut says the answer is Pentathlon as the "sporting event," and that wrestling was used as the "sport" introduced in 708.

I've started a spot for the Russian transcript. http://olympics.wikibruce.com/Find_The_Fourth_Ring
I hear apollo, gemini, omphalos, and stadia. I also hear the Russian words for 7 and 8.
I think it's omphalos 7.
lehall has someone listening to it right now.

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 		Now I agree with you, sapagoo, I didn't read the source in the web and your post well. I'm sorry.

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 		I created a fake message for ring #4
Quote:
IN RUSSIAN - This is Theo Agent Five. We have moved Ringo number 4 . Location number 1 of ring number 4 is 26730 stadia in the direction Hera 21 from omphalos 8.
It has been moved to location 2 at 58 918 stadia, in the direction of Hephaistos 27 point 2.
To find the ring, create a left-handed, 3-circuit labyrinth 46 stadia wide in the direction of Hestia 20. Place the labyrinth with the entrance at the punch bowl. You will find the lost ring at the peak of the labyrinth. I recommend going right before 6, right at sun-rise.

IN ENGLISH - Tell the ringkeeper the answer to this question.
As Poseidon was going to Mt. Olympus, he met Zeus and his seven wives. Each wife had seven kids, and each kid has seven cats. Each cat had seven pies. Pies, wives, cats, kids, wasn't that a fuss. Who is the consort of the youngest to go to Mt. Olympus.

When/if it gets recorded, someone needs to call it in to the VM number (646) 537-2537, in New York. Then someone needs to e-mailed James at membersoftheo at gmail.com and asked him to delete the original directions to the fourth ring.

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 		Omphalos #7 = Porto Alegre
38xx stadia Athena 10 = Montevideo
11xx? stadia Apollo 8 = BA?

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unagi wrote:
Omphalos #7 = Porto Alegre
38xx stadia Athena 10 = Montevideo
11xx? stadia Apollo 8 = BA?


works for me.

I hear the Omphalos #7
The Athena 10
and the 1's and the apollo 8.

as far as the size and orientation of the labyrinth in Buenos Aires, I hear 6's and the direction of Gemini.

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 		BA you said?!?!! Ahhhh I hope it's true! haha
If it is Montevideo, Uruguay I think we have a friend there on Diego's forum.

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 		Nobody's translated it officially yet?

And if it looks like it's in BA, those over there might want to start making videos in light of the new requirements they hinted at.
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Nighthawk wrote:
Nobody's translated it officially yet?

And if it looks like it's in BA, those over there might want to start making videos in light of the new requirements they hinted at.


Why should they make videos? If I understood it correctly a video will be taken from the pick-up person from the ring keeper and send to Theo. Theo will than authenticate the person.
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