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[LordIllidan]

Was BCC'd an email from Hidden Hidden (bigmamaSPLATaaronkwok.net) to hubes92SPLATaol.com

[waitress#2]

We think that email goes with this thread http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=26370&start=105
Not 100% sure yet though.
It even got posted in the Resistance 2 thread by mistake.

[TheIllustratedMan]

It think this is probably spam:

[Angelus78]

Ok I have to post this email because it just puzzles me. I can't see it being spam for the simple reason there isn't one link in it.
it's from a :
epidermic Mcghee <epidermicmcgheewd>
to a :
angel_tx1502SPLATyahoo.com.mx <angel_tx1502>
subject:
The beefs been eaten, and the bones given to the dogs, answered Philip.

and this is the email:

[TheIllustratedMan]

The body of the email is from "The Bride of the Nile". Can be found here:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/894699/The-Bride-of-the-Nile-Complete-by-Georg-Ebers
Page 294.

The subject line is from "Anna Karenina". Can be found here:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Anna_Karenina/Part_Six/Chapter_13
About halfway down.

[catherwood]

[Angelus78]

maybe but I like to think my firewall would catch that.

[Esteed]

Firewalls are good, but they don't catch everything. I've gotten spam like it too.

[Kitrona]

This person randomly friended me today on Yahoo, and then messaged me. Any ideas?

12:58 AM progressthroughtrial: Hello
12:58 AM : Hi.
12:58 AM progressthroughtrial: How are you today?
12:59 AM : I'm ok.
12:59 AM progressthroughtrial: Good to hear. Too many folks these days seem to be down and out
12:59 AM : Hmmm, I guess so.
1:00 AM progressthroughtrial: Could you do me a favor? Vespa mandarinia
1:00 AM : Possibly.
1:01 AM : Depends on what it is.
1:01 AM progressthroughtrial: Could you tell me if you now of Galton?
1:01 AM progressthroughtrial: Know
1:01 AM : What's vespa mandarinia?
1:01 AM : And I don't think I do.
1:01 AM progressthroughtrial: It is what you are.
1:01 AM : I am?
1:01 AM : Is it a good thing?
1:02 AM : It sounds like I'm an orange Italian scooter.
1:02 AM progressthroughtrial: Yes. and possibly. In my circles you are considered a most dangerous helper
1:02 AM : Your circles? Dangerous how?
1:03 AM progressthroughtrial: You chase and tell others of what you're chasing. In my circles a chase is ...
1:03 AM progressthroughtrial: damaging
1:03 AM progressthroughtrial: attention is not sought after
1:03 AM : Er. I do? In what context?
1:03 AM : And who am I helping?
1:04 AM : I don't know exactly what you're referring to that I'm chasing. All I've been chasing lately is information.
1:06 AM progressthroughtrial: And what is information but a key to other things?
1:07 AM : Which things? Like I said, some context would be good. I didn't know I was upsetting anyone, and I don't know how.
1:08 AM progressthroughtrial: Don't worry, upset can be good. Find Galton, be a good Bee Killer. I know that in your circles Bees mean something. Thats were you and your friends got your names. You are Vespa mandarinia.
1:09 AM progressthroughtrial: See you
1:09 AM : Which friends?
1:09 AM : Er. Ok.

Vespa mandarinia is the Asian giant hornet. I have no idea who or what Galton is. I did a search on the forums but if it's related to something, I don't know what, because I don't know what to search for.

[Gregoriev]

[Kitrona]

Nope, didn't even hear about it until way after it was over.

ETA: He contacted me again. Yay, clues!

2:13 AM progressthroughtrial: I sense some hesitation, in your associate’s words. You hesitate strangely at the mention of bees. How odd. Do you not know of your own history? These little bits of prey should be a thing of pride for you. After all it’s what caught my friends attention.
2:14 AM : I just don't know much about bees.
2:14 AM : I don't know much about any of this... I can't place it mentally.
2:15 AM progressthroughtrial: I'll tell you what. You seem to be on the right path so let me give you a nudge
2:15 AM : Please?
2:16 AM progressthroughtrial: What is the behavior of the animal I deemed to be in your likeness
2:16 AM : It eats bees
2:16 AM : And attacks their hives.
2:17 AM : I haven't been attacking any hives lately, and my diet has been remarkably arthropod-free....
2:17 AM progressthroughtrial: It does more than just that. It marks them so that others attack, and it dissassembles them with an effiency that most animals and even humans find daunting.
2:17 AM progressthroughtrial: Outnumbered 1000 to 1 it prevails
2:18 AM : And I'm supposed to find a parallel to me in this?
2:18 AM : Forgive me for being skeptical; I'm not seeing it, but I'm notoriously bad at symbolism.
2:19 AM : Although I have to admit it's pretty inspiring.
2:19 AM progressthroughtrial: My friends do. Even now, when they cannot solve what they need to, they cry out “Throw it to the bees!” I had thought them slightly off their tilt for trusting you and yours, but their trust was well placed. You solve with a tenacity rarely seen and you ask all of the correct questions. You are, in truth, a monotypic source of information inside the internet. You follow the sources and uncover the truth. You disassemble every bit and piece of data that flows around you.
2:20 AM : Well, I have to say that I'm flattered.
2:20 AM progressthroughtrial: It is truly an amazing thing to watch.
2:20 AM : Thank you.
2:21 AM : I'm just doing what I do.
2:21 AM : I still have no idea what this is about, but at least I'm not completely messing it up.
2:21 AM progressthroughtrial: I trust that you’ll help me in a matter that has been causing us some trouble. My friends and I are loath to get personally involved. But first you need to understand us. You have to find Galton
2:22 AM : Is Galton a person, place, or thing?
2:22 AM : I need to know what I'm looking for if I am to find it.
2:23 AM progressthroughtrial: He is my “father”. His cousin’s name is well known to you, yet you seem to have a gap in your history lessons. Strange how history seems to throw some into the limelight, despite their faults. All he ever did was gawk at birds on the islands, and yet he gets all the credit. Shame really. I really shouldn’t stall like this, but I find myself unable to announce the basics so flippantly. My progenitor’s cousin was born on the same day as our esteemed President Lincoln, that should help you. And when you know Galton, you know his sons.
2:23 AM : That definitely helps.
2:24 AM : It at least gives me something to research.
2:24 AM : (I was never good at history. The teachers made it boring.)
2:24 AM progressthroughtrial: And there you go.
2:24 AM : Thank you.
2:24 AM progressthroughtrial: Not a problem
2:24 AM : I can assume you'll be contacting me later?
2:25 AM progressthroughtrial: Indeed. I look forward to it
2:25 AM : As do I.

Mods, I'm not sure what to do from here... it seems like a confirmed ARG to me, but I'll leave that up to you.

Edit: Galton is Francis Galton, cousin of Charles Darwin.

[MTHoopla]

Welp, I'm in on this one too, will post chatlogs when I have a log to post.

[02:26] Hi, I'm a friend of Kitrona's.
[02:27] Something she said you mentioned struck a bit of a chord with me... I think I live either in or near the no man's land you were talking about. I'm in southeastern New Mexico.
[02:27] progressthroughtrial: Interesting
[02:27] Actually, Billy the Kid's (supposed) grave is a day trip for me.
[02:28] progressthroughtrial: Ahh one of our little screw ups. He met one of ancestors and was shown a few too many tricks
[02:29] *nod* You mentioned native americans as well, I'm white as the driven snow to look at, but my... gah, I forget how many greats exactly, but my howevermany greats grandmother on my mom's dad's side walked in the trail of tears.
[02:31] So, you say he got shown one too many tricks, did he have to be put down or something because of it?
[02:31] progressthroughtrial: That problem took care of itself but it did show the need for restraint
[02:32] From what I've heard and read, he really abused what he was shown, it sounds like. Slippery little guy, he was.
[02:33] progressthroughtrial: Yeah, but he had some true talent of his own as well
[02:33] What sort of tricks, if I might ask? If anything, it sounds like I'd be learning about my ancestry.
[02:34] progressthroughtrial: Simple things that didn't really have names back then. Persistance of vision, tracking, theatrics
[02:35] The last two I understand. But what is persistance of vision?
[02:36] progressthroughtrial: Your eyes fill up gaps in between the flashing of the rods and cone inside youe eyeballs. This maens that its possible to miss slight details
[02:36] *nod* So this would, for lack of a better description, give you more detail-oriented vision.
[02:37] progressthroughtrial: Exactly, and a slightly improved response time when it comes to fast drawing
[02:38] Improved reaction and the ability to notice more detail... nice trick, that.
[02:38] progressthroughtrial: Which was used in tandem with the others to make for a nice haymaker of a criminal.

Huh. So Billy the Kid was an awry little bastard that got out of hand.

[02:40] progressthroughtrial: brb
[02:40] brunomccloud1389: Alright, I'll do the same. Could use a drink...
[02:41] brunomccloud1389: I return~
[02:41] progressthroughtrial: Ok
[02:45] progressthroughtrial: Next question?
[02:45] brunomccloud1389: Hm. Give me a moment or two, need to let the caffeine take hold.
[02:46] progressthroughtrial: Sure thing
[02:47] brunomccloud1389: Oh, something to make my communication a bit easier, which set of pronouns would you prefer I use with you?
[02:47] brunomccloud1389: I don't like to get things like that incorrect.
[02:48] progressthroughtrial: How do you mean?
[02:48] brunomccloud1389: Would you prefer I use masculine (he, his) or feminine (her, hers) pronouns?
[02:49] brunomccloud1389: Bit of an odd question, I know, just something I hate to get wrong. Don't really know why.
[02:50] brunomccloud1389: As for a more on-topic question, what more can you tell me about these wild children you spoke with my friend about?
[02:50] progressthroughtrial: I understand. Though it might be releasing too much information, I am male
[02:50] brunomccloud1389: Thank you.

It's a dude! (and using the wrong pronouns really does bug the life out of me.)

[02:55] progressthroughtrial: Anything else you would like to know? I must tell you that I cannot inform you of everything.
[02:56] brunomccloud1389: Don't worry, I understand.
[02:57] brunomccloud1389: Well, from what I understand, they had natural abilities? What were these? General descriptions are fine, but specifics are very appreciated.
[03:00] progressthroughtrial: Well I hate to disappoint the ...
[03:01] brunomccloud1389: If anything, it might explain how I'm able to stare people down so easily. I've been threatened more times than I can count, but never gotten in a physical fight.
[03:01] progressthroughtrial: What is it called? The movies with the super hero team?
[03:02] progressthroughtrial: I haven't kept up to date with the fiction
[03:02] brunomccloud1389: Well, there's the Fantastic Four. They're making one for The Avengers, but it hasn't been completed yet.
[03:02] brunomccloud1389: They're releasing one for The Watchmen, too, I think they'd count as a superhero team.
[03:02] brunomccloud1389: I haven't really kept up all that well myself.
[03:03] progressthroughtrial: Well we don't have any of that, but natural charisma, faster response times, better regulated hormone production are all catalouged results.
[03:04] brunomccloud1389: Aha. X-men! That's the one.
[03:04] brunomccloud1389: Sort of like mutants, much as I dislike using the term in this case.
[03:04] progressthroughtrial: Yes thats it. My sibling loved it.
[03:05] brunomccloud1389: Very good movie series, though the third went some... interesting places that I didn't expect.
[03:05] progressthroughtrial: I wouldn't know.
[03:06] brunomccloud1389: They killed off too many main characters too fast for my taste. But that's irrelevant at the moment. ...Say, do you have these abilities?
[03:08] progressthroughtrial: No other than the "basics" and a high platlet count I am an ordinary ... whatever
[03:08] brunomccloud1389: High platelet count.
[03:08] brunomccloud1389: Cool, less bleeding.
[03:08] brunomccloud1389: And possibly faster healing. Very spiffy.
[03:09] progressthroughtrial: Faster healing and larger scars, trade-off
[03:10] brunomccloud1389: Well, that's true.
[03:10] brunomccloud1389: You seem to not want to call yourself human?
[03:10] brunomccloud1389: You called yourself an 'ordinary ... whatever'
[03:11] progressthroughtrial: Well I am definatly Homo Sapein. But humanity is sometime difined differently.
[03:11] brunomccloud1389: How do you mean?
[03:12] progressthroughtrial: humanity in its current context is a series of genetic and moral codes. I follow one
[03:13] brunomccloud1389: So it'd be different than the norm?
[03:13] progressthroughtrial: I'm not sure I understand that question
[03:14] brunomccloud1389: Your moral code. You made it sound like it might be different than what's generally accepted.
[03:14] progressthroughtrial: Yes
[03:14] brunomccloud1389: Which would make you and I rather alike, then, though ours might differ somewhat.
[03:17] progressthroughtrial: Our purpose is the immediate and direct accomplishment of our goals becasue people tend to become distracted in combat situations, certain studies were done on the human mind.
[03:17] brunomccloud1389: *nod* I can think of a couple of those that were made public, yes.
[03:18] brunomccloud1389: What did the ones you speak of entail, if I may ask?

Oh shi-

[03:18] progressthroughtrial: Have you ever heard of the Mad Bomber?
[03:19] brunomccloud1389: I've heard of a lot of mad bombers, the news loves that term. Not sure I've heard of a specific Mad Bomber, though.
[03:21] progressthroughtrial: I believe, if memeory serves, that his name was george metzker. Though I am not certain of the spelling. He was a slightly insane individual who planted several explosives throughout New York in an attempt to retaliate against his firing from ConEdison.
[03:21] brunomccloud1389: *nod* Reading a bit about him now.
[03:21] progressthroughtrial: Tell me when your done
[03:22] brunomccloud1389: You can go ahead, I'm a decent multitasker.
[03:24] progressthroughtrial: well I'm actually telling your friend about it now. In between a need for more "focus" on the battlefield and the lack of cohesive trust in the project several tests were done in the fields of sociopathy
[03:25] brunomccloud1389: *nod* If what I remember is correct, sociopaths can be rather single-minded. A lack of emotion can do that.
[03:26] progressthroughtrial: Oh emotion exists, it just doesn't factor into decision making
[03:28] brunomccloud1389: This is true. I sometimes get psychological disorders mixed up.
[03:30] progressthroughtrial: Not a mix up. You just haven't seen it up close. I may not be one, but I've seen it enough for an intimate understanding
[03:31] progressthroughtrial: And I've had "trials"
[03:31] brunomccloud1389: *nod* You sound like a combat vet, actually. The one's I've spoken to when I visit the VA when my grandfather has to go. You have the same tone of voice.
[03:32] progressthroughtrial: Probable
[03:32] brunomccloud1389: What sort of trials?
[03:33] progressthroughtrial: The Indians had a test of manhood called "The Gauntlet"
[03:35] progressthroughtrial: I'll see you tomorrow
[03:35] brunomccloud1389: Alright.
[03:35] brunomccloud1389: Reading up on the gauntlet now, sounds... painful.
[03:35] brunomccloud1389: To say the least.
[03:35] brunomccloud1389: Good to speak with you.

Double oh shi--- GROUND FLOOR, so glad I'm in on it.

Google Books info all up in dis, about da gauntlet.
http://tinyurl.com/64y6yk

[Kitrona]

More IM.

(Missing posts: He told me I found his father, and confirmed that it's Francis Galton.)
8/14/2008 2:34 AM progressthroughtrial: Ideed
8/14/2008 2:34 AM progressthroughtrial: Indeed
8/14/2008 2:35 AM : Ok.
8/14/2008 2:35 AM : Sorry, it's late and my brain needs poking to work. I'm not sure where to go from here.
8/14/2008 2:36 AM : I don't mean for you to have to hold my hand through this.
8/14/2008 2:36 AM progressthroughtrial: There are many problems caused by his works. Too many for my taste. Even as his “son” I cannot forgive what his theories led to. He expounded on his relatives works. His thoughts inspired some great troubles and some interesting advances
8/14/2008 2:37 AM : Definitely. The concept of eugenics sounds good on paper, but in practice it violates human rights.
8/14/2008 2:37 AM progressthroughtrial: One part one of three heads of that theory
8/14/2008 2:38 AM : Oh? More research, then?
8/14/2008 2:38 AM progressthroughtrial: What about sponsers? Those who would sell their genetics for the purpose of human advancement
8/14/2008 2:39 AM : Like an athlete who would sell their sperm or eggs?
8/14/2008 2:40 AM : Or a genius who would do the same?
8/14/2008 2:40 AM progressthroughtrial: A suitable comparision
8/14/2008 2:41 AM progressthroughtrial: Galtons idea sparked many problems in the public eye later on, but in the private he had plenty of followers
8/14/2008 2:41 AM : I'm not sure I see anything wrong with that. Every parent wants the best for their child.
8/14/2008 2:41 AM : But that's assuming that this involves parents who care.
8/14/2008 2:41 AM progressthroughtrial: True
8/14/2008 2:42 AM : It could just as well be someone creating children for experiments, which I find repulsive.
8/14/2008 2:42 AM progressthroughtrial: Let me spin you a tale. Purely hypothetical of course
8/14/2008 2:42 AM : I'd say it depends on the circumstances and motivations.
8/14/2008 2:42 AM : Please do.
8/14/2008 2:43 AM progressthroughtrial: Let us say that a dignitary of some minor class visited Galton while overseas doing work for America
8/14/2008 2:43 AM : *nods*
8/14/2008 2:44 AM progressthroughtrial: He hears of this idea and into his mind springs an odd fact, or maybe a forgotten quote. He remembers that the Founding Father george Washington was not a fan of large militaries.
8/14/2008 2:44 AM : Uh oh.
8/14/2008 2:46 AM progressthroughtrial: He has the simple, yet plausible idea that one could, under the guise of treatment procure "samples" of great soldiers and generals. People who carried a base gift or talent into the Battlefield that allowed them to gain an innate edge over their enemies
8/14/2008 2:46 AM : So, logically, the best army is a small army, which is possible if genetically engineered.
8/14/2008 2:47 AM : With the genes of great soldiers and generals.
8/14/2008 2:47 AM progressthroughtrial: Not engineered, simply ... guided to the best possible outcome.
8/14/2008 2:47 AM : Created, in any case.
8/14/2008 2:47 AM progressthroughtrial: Of course
8/14/2008 2:48 AM : The military is definitely not who I had in mind when I was discussing "loving parents". This sounds like trouble.
8/14/2008 2:48 AM : So what went wrong? Because something always goes wrong.
8/14/2008 2:48 AM : Also, one of my friends would like to contact you, if he may?
8/14/2008 2:48 AM progressthroughtrial: Well to be honest, everything went according to plan.
8/14/2008 2:48 AM : It did? Wow.
8/14/2008 2:48 AM : That's quite unusual.
8/14/2008 2:50 AM progressthroughtrial: As a matter of fact this idea had barely come to fruition when a war broke out. and not just any war. A localised war with so many casulities that the dead were piled in the streets on both sides. A war with illegal slaves flleing through borders.
8/14/2008 2:50 AM progressthroughtrial: A war with oppurtunity
8/14/2008 2:50 AM : Go on...
8/14/2008 2:52 AM progressthroughtrial: So our dignitary got to work. He saw soldiers from both sides, and sat them next to wounded slaves. With an ample amount of morphine and government funding, the plan suceeded admirably. But then a problem occured. One that our dignitary had not foreseen
8/14/2008 2:53 AM : Oh. THAT's how he created them. Gotcha.
8/14/2008 2:53 AM : Aha. I knew there'd be a problem, there always is.
8/14/2008 2:53 AM : No plan survives first contact with... reality, in this case.
8/14/2008 2:54 AM progressthroughtrial: Well, our friend had not considerred two very important factors to his ... "collection"
8/14/2008 2:55 AM : Which factors?
8/14/2008 2:55 AM progressthroughtrial: a two-in-one problem: The mothers
8/14/2008 2:55 AM : Mothers are often problems.
8/14/2008 2:57 AM progressthroughtrial: Well the problems compound when the mothers are prostitutes and they are now pregnant with several children of nation heros and infamous war criminals.
8/14/2008 2:57 AM : That would definitely be very big problems, on many fronts.
8/14/2008 2:57 AM progressthroughtrial: Yes quite so.
8/14/2008 3:00 AM progressthroughtrial: so our friend simply breaks into a sweat! What to do? He cannot, simply can not, be connected to such a fiasco. So our great grandmothers were pushed West. A simple fix. And an unexcpected bonus. This land was challenging. It forced the weak to be ... well for lack of a better term "weeded out"
8/14/2008 3:00 AM : The settlers?
8/14/2008 3:01 AM progressthroughtrial: Packaged among them were an experemental buch who kept to themselves and never let their children out of their sight.
8/14/2008 3:02 AM : Thankfully they didn't end up with the Donner party. At least, I hope not.
8/14/2008 3:03 AM progressthroughtrial: Well ... our people were survivors, who didn't often show up on manifests. Lets just say that some bite marks were of an interesting shape
8/14/2008 3:03 AM : *headtilt* Werewolves? Or am I way off base here?
8/14/2008 3:04 AM progressthroughtrial: Nothing so fanciful. Lets just say that the "Death Valley" gene is known for its ability to survive heat and its resistance to porophiria
8/14/2008 3:05 AM : OH! Vampires!
8/14/2008 3:06 AM progressthroughtrial: Porophiria comes from the consumption of human flesh, not blood. And human bite marks are slightly different from any other animals. I assure you, none of my ancestors are mythical beings.
8/14/2008 3:07 AM : Ohh, ok, sorry, I got it mixed up with something else.
8/14/2008 3:07 AM : So, cannibals.
8/14/2008 3:07 AM : Sorry about that, didn't mean to insult you.
8/14/2008 3:08 AM : I thought this was all theoretical.
8/14/2008 3:09 AM progressthroughtrial: Its ok and yes. The general consensus among our group is that "desirable traits" be carried as far as possible. In reality we probably had a lot to do with the problems with the west. And a far as this situation goes, I haven't said anything too definite. It's not my fault if you're excitable.
8/14/2008 3:10 AM : Heh, that is one of my, some would say, faults.
8/14/2008 3:10 AM : I prefer to think of it as a virtue, but whatever.
8/14/2008 3:10 AM progressthroughtrial: Fine and good, fine and good
8/14/2008 3:10 AM : So how many were there?
8/14/2008 3:11 AM progressthroughtrial: By the time the settlement was made there were about 20 still alive, the "party" that you mentioned were not recovered until some time later
8/14/2008 3:12 AM : Ooh, I walked right into that one, didn't I?
8/14/2008 3:12 AM progressthroughtrial: Indeed
8/14/2008 3:12 AM : Heh.
8/14/2008 3:13 AM : Settlement, you say.
8/14/2008 3:13 AM progressthroughtrial: Yes. it was deemed nessecary to better develop the ... children
8/14/2008 3:14 AM : To breed them with each other?
8/14/2008 3:14 AM progressthroughtrial: Well that was a problem. Inbreeding is genetically counter-productive and there weren't a lot of women who went near the settlement.
8/14/2008 3:15 AM : Which means they had to acquire women by other means.
8/14/2008 3:15 AM progressthroughtrial: Yes. Not the most spoken of tactic ever used.
8/14/2008 3:15 AM : Kidnapping?
8/14/2008 3:16 AM progressthroughtrial: Well at the time Native Americans were not considered to be under our laws. So ... fair game.
8/14/2008 3:16 AM : That's about what I figured.
8/14/2008 3:17 AM progressthroughtrial: Like I said it not excactly open dinner conversation.
8/14/2008 3:17 AM : So, they were kidnapped and raped and then what?
8/14/2008 3:17 AM : No, I wouldn't think so.
8/14/2008 3:17 AM : I do tend to be direct.
8/14/2008 3:17 AM : But I can understand why this would be a touchy subject.
8/14/2008 3:18 AM progressthroughtrial: Well actually they were given a very simple choice. Either stay and further the project, along with teaching the boys "heathen secrets" .. be let go
8/14/2008 3:18 AM : Not that those that were let go made it back to camp, I'd imagine.
8/14/2008 3:19 AM : Understandably.
8/14/2008 3:19 AM : I'm sorry. Please go on.
8/14/2008 3:19 AM progressthroughtrial: Actually no one bothered to keep track, no one had ever turned down our deal. I imagine that our location had a small motivationg factor.
8/14/2008 3:20 AM : Oh? Where was that?
8/14/2008 3:21 AM progressthroughtrial: Well, in truth, its never been recovered, but if you ask an officail about the "Wild West" They'll tell you about a no mans land that several states were in a claim dispute over. No one law had an authority there. And alot of talented bandits seemed to set up shop in the area
8/14/2008 3:23 AM : So it was the middle of nowhere, prompting the women to decide that it was better to stay where there was food and shelter rather than risk the wilds?
8/14/2008 3:24 AM progressthroughtrial: Well that and the fact that no one bothered us but they would bother " a lone injun out on the plains"
8/14/2008 3:24 AM : Especially a woman.
8/14/2008 3:24 AM progressthroughtrial: Excactly. Women weren't as equal then and a Native American one less so
8/14/2008 3:25 AM : Most definitely.
8/14/2008 3:26 AM progressthroughtrial: But, after a few "leaks" it was determined that a civilizng influence might help the project progress into better standing with the military. By that time results were beginning to show, however slowly.
8/14/2008 3:27 AM : Civilizing influence?
8/14/2008 3:27 AM progressthroughtrial: Yes. Wild children do not an army make
8/14/2008 3:28 AM : True enough.
8/14/2008 3:28 AM : I take it they were fighting each other?
8/14/2008 3:28 AM : Or at least showing some unusual abilities.
8/14/2008 3:29 AM progressthroughtrial: Well actuallt that was the problem. They were fighting everyone else.
8/14/2008 3:29 AM : Including their parents?
8/14/2008 3:29 AM : one moment, brb
8/14/2008 3:32 AM : Sorry about that, I'm back.
8/14/2008 3:32 AM progressthroughtrial: No they were a pretty tight nit group. but if you take a kid whose been improvising manuevers in the desert with his friends, then ship him to base camp with strangers, the results are bad.
8/14/2008 3:33 AM : Especially before people take them seriously.
8/14/2008 3:34 AM progressthroughtrial: Precisly. The results were showing up fine in the lab but falling apart in the field.
8/14/2008 3:35 AM : So what'd they do?
8/14/2008 3:36 AM progressthroughtrial: Well first came moveing the group. Then isolation of the project
8/14/2008 3:36 AM : Were all the children male?
8/14/2008 3:37 AM : Just out of curiousity
8/14/2008 3:37 AM progressthroughtrial: No. but women weren't trained yet.
8/14/2008 3:37 AM : Another problem waiting to happen?
8/14/2008 3:38 AM progressthroughtrial: Not really. just missed oppurtunities
8/14/2008 3:38 AM : Hmm. So nature didn't triumph over nurture in that case. Interesting.
8/14/2008 3:39 AM : Anyway. So the group was moved and isolated. Where to, or is that not important?
8/14/2008 3:39 AM progressthroughtrial: I don't understand what you mean
8/14/2008 3:39 AM progressthroughtrial: About N and N\
8/14/2008 3:40 AM progressthroughtrial: brb
8/14/2008 3:40 AM : Well, I would think that by nature, all the children would have the predisposition for military-type thinking. But if the girls weren't allowed to express that, it would be nurture that shaped them more.
8/14/2008 3:41 AM : I'm not sure it matters either way, just something interesting to me.
8/14/2008 3:41 AM progressthroughtrial: Oh they expressed it. Vocally. It just wasn't considered a priority
8/14/2008 3:42 AM : *laughs* I'd imagine they'd get quite vocal.
8/14/2008 3:42 AM : But like I said, just an idle thought.
8/14/2008 3:44 AM progressthroughtrial: Yes, it was an interesting time for the project. Anyways the project moved to its current location. Which isn't really a good thing to float around. But the project still needed results. It was limping by at this point, considered more along the lines of a vanity project.
8/14/2008 3:45 AM : How old were the children by now?
8/14/2008 3:45 AM progressthroughtrial: It was several generations later. Things were getting more diverse and "irish twins" were the norm.
8/14/2008 3:46 AM : Oh.
8/14/2008 3:46 AM progressthroughtrial: All and all ages were pretty much all across the board
8/14/2008 3:46 AM : *nods*
8/14/2008 3:47 AM progressthroughtrial: Then, another oddly opportune opportunity appeared. This time in the form of a truly chaotic World War
8/14/2008 3:48 AM : That WAS opportune.
8/14/2008 3:48 AM : Did they prove themselves?
8/14/2008 3:49 AM progressthroughtrial: the Black Hand that assassinated Arch Duke Ferdinand was very swiftly apprehended and dealt with. However it was the techology that muddied the waters to the commmon soldier that proved interesting
8/14/2008 3:50 AM : Oh?
8/14/2008 3:52 AM progressthroughtrial: During WW1 There was a plethora of technology. Tanks, airplanes,poison gas, and machine guns. But nobody knew how to use it. The no mans lands that sprung up across the battlefields were like nothing that had ever been seen before.
8/14/2008 3:52 AM : They didn't know how to use it?
8/14/2008 3:52 AM : It seems like they figured it out pretty quickly.
8/14/2008 3:54 AM progressthroughtrial: Well it couldn't be used. Not without loss of life. To cross the NML, one had to haul themselves out of their trench run with and several pound pack on their back across an empty field, which was covered by machine guns and the potential for poison gas attacks.
8/14/2008 3:55 AM : Oh.
8/14/2008 3:55 AM progressthroughtrial: Yes it was quite dangerous.
8/14/2008 3:55 AM : *nods* I've seen some fairly realistic movies &ct.
8/14/2008 3:56 AM : &tc? Whatever.
8/14/2008 3:56 AM progressthroughtrial: and then a thought occured
8/14/2008 3:56 AM progressthroughtrial: What about this group
8/14/2008 3:56 AM progressthroughtrial: Didn't they supposedly have the training to cross into enemy territory?
8/14/2008 3:57 AM : Supposedly.
8/14/2008 3:58 AM progressthroughtrial: In truth it was a hollow attempt to get most of our number killed serving as distractions. But it went off without a hitch. and nobody was any wiser about our presence.
8/14/2008 3:58 AM : So they (you?) were better than anticipated?
8/14/2008 4:00 AM progressthroughtrial: Not I but yes. We showed an aptitude for infiltration that hadn't been seen before. Leaner muscle mass, heightened response times, Eidetic memory, we were fantastic spies.
8/14/2008 4:01 AM : I have to say I'm a little bit jealous. Your antecedents, then.
8/14/2008 4:03 AM : So now that they couldn't kill them by "accident", what happened?
8/14/2008 4:04 AM progressthroughtrial: At this point it was determined that the project should be kept as secret as possible. It was the original "black op".
8/14/2008 4:04 AM : Naturally.
8/14/2008 4:05 AM progressthroughtrial: This opened up a series of complicated problems however.
8/14/2008 4:06 AM progressthroughtrial: The first and foremost being recruitment
8/14/2008 4:06 AM : Recruitment? Couldn't they just breed more?
8/14/2008 4:07 AM progressthroughtrial: Yes but the point of the project was a constant stream of new "family members" with something to contribute.
8/14/2008 4:08 AM : I'm not sure I understand.
8/14/2008 4:09 AM progressthroughtrial: In order to constantly improve, it was nessecary to find and "recruit" new soldiers who showed heightened aptitude in combat or leadership.
8/14/2008 4:09 AM : Oh, ok.
8/14/2008 4:10 AM progressthroughtrial: So we were forced to become inventive, and also slightly more "open-minded"
8/14/2008 4:11 AM : Recruits included women and those not quite of age?
8/14/2008 4:12 AM progressthroughtrial: No. Never the underaged. Though women were finally "strongarming" their way into position.
8/14/2008 4:12 AM : *snickers* I bet.
8/14/2008 4:13 AM progressthroughtrial: The open mindedness came with the dabbling in the so-called "otherworldly"
8/14/2008 4:13 AM : Oh?
8/14/2008 4:13 AM progressthroughtrial: Simple idiocy.
8/14/2008 4:14 AM progressthroughtrial: It was a waste of time
8/14/2008 4:14 AM : Understandably so.
8/14/2008 4:14 AM : If there are otherworldly beings, they certainly wouldn't take orders.
8/14/2008 4:14 AM : Not well, anyway.
8/14/2008 4:16 AM progressthroughtrial: Through the coure of human history there are several things that cannot be explained. By that very sentence it is possible to say that they cannot be harnessed. Alot of what happened then was ... truly unfortunate
8/14/2008 4:16 AM : And what happened?
8/14/2008 4:19 AM progressthroughtrial: Test were performed that left many injured, and had no true result. Peoples faith in the validity of our "cause" was shaken.
8/14/2008 4:19 AM : Is it important what kinds of tests?
8/14/2008 4:21 AM progressthroughtrial: not really, as I said there were no real results
8/14/2008 4:21 AM : So what happened next?
8/14/2008 4:23 AM progressthroughtrial: well I'm actually telling your friend about it now. In between a need for more "focus" on the battlefield and the lack of cohesive trust in the project several tests were done in the fields of sociopathy
8/14/2008 4:24 AM : That doesn't sound good.
8/14/2008 4:24 AM progressthroughtrial: Sociopaths rarely are
8/14/2008 4:25 AM progressthroughtrial: But despite our current lack of understanding of the sociopathic mind there are "benefits to such a soldier
8/14/2008 4:26 AM : If you could contain him to the enemy's camp.
8/14/2008 4:26 AM progressthroughtrial: Well that would be hard for a true sociopath
8/14/2008 4:27 AM : Exactly.
8/14/2008 4:27 AM progressthroughtrial: But one key element of a sociopath can and was keenly controled
8/14/2008 4:27 AM : Which?
8/14/2008 4:28 AM progressthroughtrial: the Traumatic Event
8/14/2008 4:28 AM : You mean they intentionally put these people through certain traumatic events to produce sociopaths?
8/14/2008 4:29 AM progressthroughtrial: No. They withheld them to create timebombs. and not with everyone.
8/14/2008 4:29 AM : Oh.
8/14/2008 4:29 AM : So they isolated them until it was time for them to "go off"?
8/14/2008 4:30 AM progressthroughtrial: Isolation works. Or you can put them on a plane, ship them to a new country and trigger them at will.
8/14/2008 4:31 AM : In any case, they had human timebombs, essentially.
8/14/2008 4:31 AM progressthroughtrial: Yes and it killed two birds with one stone
8/14/2008 4:31 AM : Got rid of the target and the problematic sociopath.
8/14/2008 4:32 AM progressthroughtrial: And that test subject who will not shut up about all the drugs you put into his head
8/14/2008 4:33 AM : True enough.
8/14/2008 4:34 AM progressthroughtrial: Of course sometimes things don't always work out the way you want them to
8/14/2008 4:34 AM : Of course not.
8/14/2008 4:34 AM : I hate to interrupt you, but it's getting quite late. Could we continue tomorrow?
8/14/2008 4:35 AM progressthroughtrial: Sure Not a problem
8/14/2008 4:35 AM : Thank you. This is very interesting and I'm very curious to see how it turns out...
8/14/2008 4:36 AM : Unfortunately offline life takes precedence, especially when one has a small child who doesn't understand "Mommy's tired."
8/14/2008 4:36 AM : I'll talk to you tomorrow, then.

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