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Lutzie
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 		Danzilla: Just to add a little to your post: The Cortana that was on the Unyielding Hierophant (The copy) wasn't the "Full" version of her, just part of her. Probably why the copy couldn't beat the Covie AIs, so she duplicated.

Genesis: As far as we know the only people who know about "Olly olly oxen free" are:

The Spartans
Cortana
Deja
Sergant AJ Johnson
Lietenent Haverson. (Dead)
The Admiral (forget his name) that was found on Reach by Freds team and subsequently flew the Accesendant Justice into the Unyielding Hierophant. (Dead)
Polaski and Locklear, both dead.

As for the possibility of this being a human AI: Smart AIs were rare, and AFAIK there's only been 3 ever mentioned: Cortana, Kimlaya (Sp?) and Ackertons AI (Forget the name)

Halsey destroyed both Ackertons AI and Kimlaya whilst fleeing Reach.

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Genesis11 wrote:
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Can you give us more backdrop on that?


Or, you could read the books....

Let's just say that Ackerton was not a nice guy, and him and Halsey were bitter enemies. So, when she goes to enter a database, guess whose AI is there to try to stop her?


Um, yeah... Well, there's a very quick overview. If you really need a serious backstory (and won't read the books) then by all means someone else go ahead.


No offense, but I think if many of us had time to read the books we would. Many of us don't though, and so if people are going to make references to the Haloverse, they should be prepared to explain them.

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 		OK, so we know Dana feels like she is playing Hide & Seek with Melissa.

We know it's one of Melissa's fave games.

We know Melissa has sent out "processes" to look for Dana.

Dana seems to think that the processes are connected to the Axons.

Dana also mentions internet access and wifi points (which we know not all the coordinates have).

Frustrating, it seems like Dana is trying to send us clues, but only raises more questions. If Dana left, why is Melissa still after her? Is she that vengeful? (I guess yes) ... how are these processes looking for her? Is that all they are looking for?

We assume that Melissa isn't tracking the blog or emails. Is she tracking something else we haven't thought of yet?

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GunsmithCat wrote:

No offense, but I think if many of us had time to read the books we would. Many of us don't though, and so if people are going to make references to the Haloverse, they should be prepared to explain them.


Or, y'know, some of us aren't Halo players, haven't the foggiest where to even buy these books in our country, and wouldn't pay for them even if we could. Sorry, but that's the way of it. That's why I think the diversity in this community is so important. Some of you guys know this stuff like the back of your hand; we (well, I) don't...
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GunsmithCat wrote:
Scumbag wrote:
I'm definitely beginning to think that the AI we're dealing with was one of Ackerton's AIs, or at least an AI on Reach. Maybe the one Halsey wiped when the Covvies attacked?

Can you give us more backdrop on that?

I'll fill in what I can off the top of my head, and then edit this with more research later. (food is calling.)

Col. Ackerton, despite is relatively low and non-Naval rank, is a force to be reckoned with in the Office of Naval Intelligence. Somehow he can manipulate Generals and Admirals... this is not explained in the novels. There are hints to behind-the-scenes maneuvering and skullduggery on his part.

He is vehemently opposed to the SPARTAN-II project that led to the clandestine induction and augmentation of John/SPARTAN-117 and his fellow supersoldiers. Again, the reason why is not explained in the novels but there are hints that he is helming a rival project. (A secret encrypted file labelled "S-III" was found in his system when Cortana broke in to it. Also, during a debriefing a slighting reference is made to Ackerton's project by one of the audience.)

Col. Ackerton used at least one AI, Beowulf, as a security watchdog on the planet Reach. Beowulf confronted Dr. Halsey, the head of the SPARTAN-II project, about measures she was taking to circumvent security measures in an emergency during the Covenant bombardment of Reach, and attempted to disable or kill her to prevent violation of security protocol by using the life support system.

Dr. Halsey, who is also a lead designer of smart AIs and is the prototype for Cortana's processing matrix, defeated Beowulf using a command-line prompt to activate a backdoor erasure routine in Beowulf's processing matrix... which is apparently present in many AIs involved in security work.

Ugh. Low blood sugar strikes. Will be back with more.

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 		1. If you don't know where to buy books, let me introduce you to my friends amazon, yahoo, ebay, barnes and noble, and borders.

2. If you don't want to pay for the books (or are really hard up for 7 bucks) then my advise to you is not to expect people who DO pay for the books to feel the utmost of sympathy for you when you say you don't know the backstory.

3. I'm not at all offended. And I hope I haven't offended anyone.

4. Frogs.

(Don't Ask)

EDIT: www.amazon.co.uk
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Genesis11 wrote:

2. If you don't want to pay for the books (or are really hard up for 7 bucks) then my advise to you is not to expect people who DO pay for the books to feel the utmost of sympathy for you when you say you don't know the backstory.


You're completely missing the point.

The books are like any other kind of research on the ARG. You can't just assume everyone else has done the same research.

I (and I doubt anyone else) am not expecting sympathy. We're expecting complete arguments/speculation. I can't just say "I think Melissa is growing a child clone of herself inside a satellite", I have to connect the dots of what I've read that lead me to that conclusion - whether it's on ILB, off google, or something in First Strike.

If you're unwilling to provide that information just because you paid for a book and I didn't, don't expect sympathy when I (and probably quite a few others, since most it seems haven't read the books) don't buy your speculation/point/argument or whatever.

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 		Yeah, sympathy wasn't quite the right word. All I was saying was that, in respect to the facts in the book, I (me) was not about to go into a deep explanation about Halo's backstory. If you look, you will also see that I have been the ONLY person on this thead who even TRIED to give a backstory on who Ack was and I said that if more of a backstory was needed then someone else was free to step in and give it. I never expected there to be such a ridiculously immature response to that post, as a matter of fact I hadn't even planned on coming back to this thread. For that matter, I will not be returning to this thread.

Sorry if I stepped on any toes (other than maybe SG because, unfortunately, she stepped on mine)- because it was completely accidentally. As for that, Au Revoir.
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Genesis11 wrote:
Yeah, sympathy wasn't quite the right word. All I was saying was that, in respect to the facts in the book, I (me) was not about to go into a deep explanation about Halo's backstory. If you look, you will also see that I have been the ONLY person on this thead who even TRIED to give a backstory on who Ack was and I said that if more of a backstory was needed then someone else was free to step in and give it. I never expected there to be such a ridiculously immature response to that post, as a matter of fact I hadn't even planned on coming back to this thread. For that matter, I will not be returning to this thread.

Sorry if I stepped on any toes (other than maybe SG because, unfortunately, she stepped on mine)- because it was completely accidentally. As for that, Au Revoir.


Oh please, there was nothing immature about my response or any others.

Anton Nym provided a quick response which has sufficed just fine as to provide an understanding what was meant byt the Ackerton AIs.

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Genesis11 wrote:
Yeah, sympathy wasn't quite the right word. All I was saying was that, in respect to the facts in the book, I (me) was not about to go into a deep explanation about Halo's backstory. If you look, you will also see that I have been the ONLY person on this thead who even TRIED to give a backstory on who Ack was and I said that if more of a backstory was needed then someone else was free to step in and give it. I never expected there to be such a ridiculously immature response to that post, as a matter of fact I hadn't even planned on coming back to this thread. For that matter, I will not be returning to this thread.


Interesting definition of 'immature' by someone who's grown-up enough to "killfile" this thread. Heh.

Anyway, to any other Halo book salespeople who may be around, I think GunsmithCat has pointed out most of what I was going to say in reply to these couple of posts -- namely that arguments should be coherent, and backed up by evidence, said evidence being elaborated upon if it's OOG rather than just saying "pshaw, go read the books already" -- and that you (pl.) shouldn't expect me to have read all the books, just as I don't expect you to have a mathematics degree.

I've just looked the books up on Amazon (most of the other places Genesis11 lists don't work or exist in the UK, tsk tsk), and if I were to order them today, for various reasons, I wouldn't get them until next Wednesday at best. Come on! That's post-Wide Awake and Physical! Not even mentioning the £10 I would have to spend JUST so someone else didn't have to take five minutes out of their day explaining some triviality.

Immature, eh? *snort*
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 		On behalf of all sane Halo/Bungie fans, please accept my apology for the poor behaviour demonstrated by Genesis11.

We've been plagued with such for a while, from many fans of many ages and origins, and we're working on the problem. Hopefully we will see a return to analytical logic, respectful discourse, courteous exchanges of differing views, and empathy for others soon. In the mean time, please bear with us... we're doing the best we can to pick up the slack.

-- Steve can only shake his head with shame and dismay. What happened to create such a large disconnect from the Auld Guard fans?
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 		Nice wrap-up on Ackerson. Also, the name of that Admiral was Whitcomb, I think- I have the books but haven't read them in a while.
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GunsmithCat wrote:
OK, so we know Dana feels like she is playing Hide & Seek with Melissa.

We know it's one of Melissa's fave games.

We know Melissa has sent out "processes" to look for Dana.

Dana seems to think that the processes are connected to the Axons.

Dana also mentions internet access and wifi points (which we know not all the coordinates have).

Frustrating, it seems like Dana is trying to send us clues, but only raises more questions. If Dana left, why is Melissa still after her? Is she that vengeful? (I guess yes) ... how are these processes looking for her? Is that all they are looking for?

We assume that Melissa isn't tracking the blog or emails. Is she tracking something else we haven't thought of yet?


Just quoting myself so that we can try and get back on topic ...

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 		I take it then that Dana stands very little chance of staying hidden unless she can come up with something witty- and quick. Or, unless WE can come up with something witty. The question is, what can we really do to help in this little game of hide and seek?
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The question is, what can we really do to help in this little game of hide and seek?


Be a distraction?

Keeping sending thousands of little pokes the Queen's way, hoping she turns to react to that. And when she does turn, she gets hit from behind again.

A few problems with this distraction theory.

1) She's an AI.

-I doubt that we would be able to put the highly motivated Melissa off her rocker. She wants Dana, and might ignore us if we try to mess with her. We'd just be icing on the cake.

2) No contact with the Queen.

-There is one interesting facet of this game that has yet to be resolved. We have had absolutely no communication with the Queen, that we know of. Now, there are a number of indications that the Queen may be getting ready to talk with us all, (her building a voice, the speculation that GPS coordinates were harvested from IP address.)

As it stands, I really have no idea how we would destroy the Oueen at this point. But the picture may become clearer as the game progresses.

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