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[BEIJING] The "flare" plan

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AUZ505
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[BEIJING] The "flare" plan

The "flare" plan: What is the largest synchronising action happening at the closing ceremonies? If 91,000 bodies are doing it, we have to be doing it too!

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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 2:15 pm

danteIL
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Official Olympic cheer:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7438367.stm

Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 2:27 pm

danteIL
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And convo about 'the flare'

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<EliHunt> return to your home during the closing ceremonies flare! find the most proximal monumental wave through which you can voyage.
<EliHunt> The first part is very clear, and concurs with how we sent Toria home in 2004.
<Canzonett> A monumental wave ... Sounds like surfing the multiverse.
<Bookmore> How did that happen, EliHunt ?
<EliHunt> We must prepare to travel during the closing ceremonies, which is a peak moment of alignment.
<EliHunt> Yes, so moving on to the difficult part.
<lehall> I thought it meant wave through time and space...
<AUZ505> the firework of the ending ceremony
<EliHunt> Flare is the command, is it not?
<mrjudkins> Flare is the command.
<unagi> command.
<EliHunt> Flare is the term they use to describe multiversal navigation.
<Tenchizard> maybe a monumental wave is a wave sent out by a monument
<EliHunt> I believe that is the term in the Codex. "Flare navigation"
<Tenchizard> so you have to find a monument to go back to your world?
<EliHunt> I read that as a command. FLARE!
<unagi> Yes.
<AUZ505> there will be a huge firework at the colsing ceremony
<mrjudkins> So as the fireworks go off...
<macmonkey> isn't the closing ceremony about changing to another destination..handover of the flame?
<EliHunt> AUZ, is that correct? Perhaps that is a holdover from the agonothetai who knew that flare navigation occurs during the closing ceremonies.
<Canzonett> So it means - do make a flare / build a flare / make sure you navigate correctly?
<Shad0> "flare of movement which guides your way more nearly towards the world you are aiming for. In order to create enough powerful flare you must be able to note ahead of time precisely the place and activity of many thousands of individuals in both worlds."
<konamouse> i like the idea that at the closing we see the hand off of the torch flame to the host of the next games.
<Bookmore> Light a torch ?
<Fencer> So maybe they end the labyirnth dance when the fireworks go off?
<EliHunt> Shad0, excellent.
<EliHunt> A flare of movement must happen during the closing ceremonies?
<Fencer> And they get sent back at the conclusion of the fireworks
<Tenchizard> a "flare" must be sent from this world, so the other worlds can open a way to them?
<EliHunt> Everyone, we must focus on what Shad0 has brought to our attention.
<mrjudkins> So we're talking about how at the closing ceremonies in each of the worlds the flares will guide them home?
<Bookmore> The most proximal, monumental wave through which you can voyage : As the ceremony ends, run through the largest monument gate - that'll then act as a portal ?
<EliHunt> Shad0, you are quoting from the Codex, correct? James, are you following?
<mrjudkins> "must be able to note ahead of time precisely the place and activity of many thousands of individuals in both worlds"
<JamesMutters> yes
<Canzonett> predetermine the activities of all individuals in both worlds
<Bookmore> I'll go and see what is planned for the closing ceremony of the Olympics
<CS> those 1000's are performing in the closing ceremonies?
<EliHunt> How many people attend the closing ceremonies? Will there be a crowd participation moment?
<Dav> flare = directional thing
<konamouse> eli - i would guess YES to crowd participation
<EliHunt> Perhaps we can add this to our list of projects.
<konamouse> but also there are the athletes marching into the stadium enmass typically.
<JamesMutters> 91K can fit in the Birds Nest
<EliHunt> If we can determine the planned events for the ceremony, we can determine if a sufficient flare will occur.
<EliHunt> Konamouse, yes, the march could be sufficinet.
<Bookmore> There's one place which we KNOW will be crammed at taht time and date.
<Shad0> I wonder whether this year's closing ceremonies will involve audience participation at any point?
<EliHunt> We know in ancient times that labyrinth military marches were often used to synchonise
<starlajo> they have an 'authorised' cheer
<EliHunt> 91,000 is more than sufficient!
<starlajo> that they seem to do in sync
<Dav> will synchronize with us so that they go to the world they choose
<starlajo> clap-clap thumbs-up
<Dav> without "flare travelling" you just go to a random world
<EliHunt> They have an authorized cheer, Starlajo? can you say more?
<EliHunt> Perhaps if we can arrange for the friends and families of the travelers in their home worlds to do the same cheer, it will make those home worlds just slightly closer.
<Dav> so we'd use the flare synchronization thingy to allow the people who will travel to go to the world they want, rather than a random world.
<EliHunt> Thus directing our travelers to the correct world.
<Canzonett> Codex: "Our aim is to profit the custom of dancing the labyrinthine dance"
<Canzonett> "Each of us six remembers that this custom happens nightly during the first two weeks of August on each of our domestic worlds."
<starlajo> elihunt: they clap twice and then make thumbs up
<JamesMutters> Eli, I just had a thought: when they had me do my personal labyrinth on the roof here (*forced me*), they had me hold a scroll....
<Dav> and the flare synchronization can be arranged through Ariadne's Dance
<starlajo> elihunt: let me find the article about it
<Canzonett> James: and?
<Dav> Ariadne's Dance is a thing that they do during the first 2 weeks of August in other worlds
<Dav> so if we can figure out that dance
<Dav> and then synchronize it
<JamesMutters> well, would a ticket to the ceremonies fill the same goal as a scroll?
<EliHunt> I believe we need something specific to the time of the closing ceremonies, to help us flare.
<JamesMutters> it's something you carry around with you
<starlajo> http://www.dannews.co.nz/2008/06/16/beijing-approves-olympics-cheer/
<Shad0> And it would be "specific to the time of the closing ceremonies"...
<JamesMutters> allowing your alternate selves time to know where you'll be and when
<Dav> we can tell the world that we want to travel to to synchronize with us
<Canzonett> James: if it's large enough to roll it into a scroll?
<EliHunt> James, that is an interesting idea.
<EliHunt> We can consider that.
<MauroKing> in diego's forums there was something about that
<lehall> ooh... could you copy over the info, mauro?
<MauroKing> about ariadne's dance i mean
<Bookmore> Interesting idea, JamesMutters.
<MauroKing> i'll copy the link
<EliHunt> I think the dance is most useful for the 11 circuit labyrinth
<EliHunt> I think for the closing ceremonies, we need to focus on something else.
<Tenchizard> but how can we do a dance noone has ever seen?
<Shad0> @EliHunt: This may seem like a foolish question, but: As far as we know, we cannot communicate directly with other worlds, right? They can see us, but we can't see them?
<Canzonett> So the dance pattern for the labyrinth is one thing, the flare(s) are another.
<EliHunt> Shad0, I have been using a certain omphalos in London to communicate our omphalabyrinth data
<EliHunt> We should be able to communicate other plans as well
<mrjudkins> and we can then do the same.
<Shad0> " Huge quantity of prior communication by {omphalos} is necessary before your departure to make sure of the success of your flare."
<MauroKing> Ariadne's dance on Diego's forum: http://forums.findthelostring.com/thread/1775
<Shad0> "If you have two-way communication by {omphalos} you can work with {agonithetai} in the aimed for world to prepare a common event that synchronizes as many human bodies as possible. "
<EliHunt> Shad0, yes, exactly.
<EliHunt> Okay, so to summarize:
<EliHunt> I believe we are planning to prepare something like Ariadne's dance for an 11 circuit labyrinth
<meihui> very exciting
<EliHunt> That we will have our allies complete 40 stadia from the stadium, and perhaps you all can complete one as well if you so wish to join us in the dance
<EliHunt> Helping to align the worlds more closely
<EliHunt> However, for the closing ceremonies, we are talking about something the 91,000 bodies may be able to do
<EliHunt> That is a massive scale of alignment.
<starlajo> elihunt: http://www.dannews.co.nz/2008/06/16/beijing-approves-olympics-cheer/
<Bookmore> Indeed.
<Canzonett> 91,000 squeezed into a stadium ...
<Dav> and they practice Ariadne's Dance for the first 2 weeks of August, so if we learn it we can use that to synchronize and act as a personal labyrinth/two-way communication
<JamesMutters> and how do we command 91K people to do something?
<Canzonett> Without much room to move
<konamouse> stand up and sit down?
<EliHunt> And something the allies' friends and families may be able to do to make their home worlds just one bit closer than the other worlds synchronising with the ceremonies
<starlajo> elihunt: i saw people directing the crowd in that cheer during the opening c eremony
<konamouse> rais your arms and lower them?
<Shad0> And something that these 91,000 were going to do anyway, since it's unlikely we'll be able to get them to follow instructions from us
<EliHunt> Okay, so let us leave it at that for now and move on to the next part of the engima
<Bookmore> This said, if the closing ceremony is going to be at least as big as the opening one, it means 2008 people on the center field at one point.
<CS> the closing ceremony has that mant participants- whether they know they are synching or not
<lehall> and clap and do the thumbs up, as well
<Bookmore> That's not bad either.
<EliHunt> Shad0, yes I believe that is correct.
<EliHunt> We should do research to see what the most synchronised movement might be
<EliHunt> So we can prepare home worlds. Now, moving on:
<Dav> it could be anything as long as we tell the destination world what it is

Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 4:01 pm

Canzonett
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danteIL wrote:

Official Olympic cheer:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7438367.stm

Wow, great find. I really had not heard about this.

Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:27 pm

danteIL
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I don't know where to put this, we have so many threads now, but could this be a clue to what happened to Toria (and possibly Ariadne??)?

From the Codex Chapter 24

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Therefore, when you try to travel multiverse {blank}, you should create human synchronization between your world and world you are aiming for- flare of movement which guides your way more nearly towards the world you are aiming for. In order to create enough powerful flare you must be able to note ahead of time precisely the place and activity of many thousands of individuals in both worlds. And if you can't, your trip may cary you to any place entirely unanticipated.

If you fail to make the strongest possible coordination, still you will arrive [in] the world that is sufficiently close to your aimed for world that you still find that your friends and family exist but their lives may be very different from what you remember.

So presumably in 2004 they failed to make the strongest possible coordination, and so Toria ended up... somewhere else. She couldn't be Alex, could she? James would have said something.

EDIT: reading more of this flare stuff in Chapter 24, it seems like we need to figure out how to sent Diego Meihui etc to their *exact* world by communicating with that world the appropriate coordinated flare activities. Without the people in that world doing the right flares, then Diego may get beamed to some random world. It isn't enough to know that he is from Kenorland, but *which* Kenorland, right?

Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 5:29 pm

DavFlamerock
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This world's Dav has this to say about yesterday's personal labyrinth on the matter:

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I also asked other Dav about the problem with having 5 people going to 5 different worlds at the same time. Apparently, that's what the FLARE command is for. Since having to use personal labyrinths (my original plan) to communicate our flare plan to the other worlds would be too difficult, we can use the FLARE command to communicate between worlds so that we have 6 or 7 worlds linked up so that Diego can go to his homeworld, and Noriko to hers, and James to the world that Toria went to (instead of everyone going to the same place).

Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:20 pm

dreamerblue
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I don't know if anyone else noticed, but typing in FLARE/NAVIGATION now gives:

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Instructions Received: Clap Clap Thumbs Up, Clap Clap Hands Up
Flare 24 August 2008

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:29 pm

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