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lazarus0280
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My Tim Daniels chat

Uggghhh.... not much to go on really. Other than irene's thoughts on everyone posting Tyler.... at least that was Tims advice...here is my conversation.

[2:42:49 PM] timdnls says: Hello Lazarus. Sorry to keep you waiting. I thought our appointment was for 3.00
[2:43:09 PM] lazarus0280 says: It was Mr. Daniels
[2:43:17 PM] lazarus0280 says: I like to be early for appointments
[2:43:39 PM] timdnls says: I see. I was very interested in the email that you forwarded me.
[2:43:55 PM] lazarus0280 says: Yes, It seems quite scary really
[2:44:07 PM] lazarus0280 says: I noticed you said it seems to be happening again...
[2:44:36 PM] timdnls says: It reminds me of other things that have happened. Have you heard anything from Ethan?
[2:44:57 PM] lazarus0280 says: No, not since the message he sent to Tyler.
[2:45:17 PM] timdnls says: Neither have I.
[2:45:30 PM] lazarus0280 says: Hmmm, that can't be good.
[2:45:31 PM] timdnls says: I wish I could confirm that it really is from him.
[2:45:55 PM] timdnls says: Have you mentioned this to anyone else?
[2:46:33 PM] lazarus0280 says: In fact I did take the time to write to Sarah Green aka Josephine Cobdan
[2:46:46 PM] lazarus0280 says: As she sent me mail before stating she was helping you out
[2:46:59 PM] timdnls says: Has she replied?
[2:47:16 PM] lazarus0280 says: No, I have yet to hear anything from her either.
[2:47:32 PM] lazarus0280 says: After decrypting the message everything seems to have gone quiet
[2:47:41 PM] lazarus0280 says: I did recommend a couple options to Tyler
[2:47:52 PM] timdnls says: What did you tell her?
[2:49:03 PM] lazarus0280 says: Mr. Daniels, I notice you don't have a picture or anything up.... forgive me if I sound skeptical but how can I be sure this is who you say you are?
[2:49:22 PM] lazarus0280 says: I'm beginning to see ghosts
[2:49:37 PM] timdnls says: I am as well.
[2:49:58 PM] timdnls says: Would a picture really reassure you?
[2:50:37 PM] lazarus0280 says: Maybe a little
[2:51:37 PM] lazarus0280 says: The last message you sent me you were going to contact Ethan. I find it a little strange that if you got this information you haven't done much with it.
[2:51:46 PM] lazarus0280 says: Why else would Ethan press Tyler to contact you?
[2:51:56 PM] timdnls says: I have heard nothing from Tyler.
[2:52:11 PM] timdnls says: I have been trying to contact Ethan - all dead ends.
[2:52:31 PM] timdnls says: He does seem to have disappeared.
[2:52:48 PM] lazarus0280 says: Well, obviously Tyler is in a dangerous spot.
[2:53:01 PM] timdnls says: And we need to decide how to proceed.
[2:53:19 PM] lazarus0280 says: If you are indeed Tim I would suggest paying her a visit...(as a concerned friend)
[2:53:37 PM] lazarus0280 says: I sent her the decrypted message but have had no direct contact with her
[2:53:51 PM] lazarus0280 says: I also suggested she may want to play the part of the (mole)
[2:54:26 PM] lazarus0280 says: In which case she is definitely in a hot spot. So much so in fact that I told her she needs to be prepared to run.
[2:54:31 PM] timdnls says: The most important thing, at this point, is not to raise any suspicions.
[2:54:49 PM] timdnls says: She is being watched constantly.
[2:55:07 PM] lazarus0280 says: which means so is her computer probablly
[2:55:20 PM] timdnls says: Probably.
[2:55:35 PM] lazarus0280 says: So, is there any possibility of you checking in on her yourself....as a friend of course?
[2:56:12 PM] timdnls says: No, they know me too well, and know my past.
[2:56:34 PM] lazarus0280 says: Alright, well let's jump to that.
[2:56:41 PM] lazarus0280 says: What about your past?
[2:57:16 PM] timdnls says: The same thing happened once before. When I was working at Online Life Protect.
[2:57:25 PM] lazarus0280 says: Online Life has experienced something similiar I take it?
[2:57:45 PM] timdnls says: Yes. And there was no way out.
[2:57:49 PM] timdnls says: But there might be here.
[2:57:52 PM] lazarus0280 says: Did you lose funding?
[2:57:58 PM] lazarus0280 says: was Carlyal involved?
[2:58:24 PM] timdnls says: Carlyal supplied our financing from the start.
[2:58:38 PM] timdnls says: They had the best contacts, a great client list to bring to us.
[2:58:56 PM] lazarus0280 says: Were you forced to give out personnel information?
[2:59:25 PM] timdnls says: I don't know. Rivo started acting strangely, and then people started dying.
[3:00:17 PM] lazarus0280 says: Well, you are a smart man, where do you suggest I look?
[3:00:36 PM] lazarus0280 says: Right now I haven't been able to come up with any leads.
[3:01:20 PM] timdnls says: You won't get any leads from Carlyal. Every charge against them melts away. The only thing we can try to do is save Tyler.
[3:01:55 PM] timdnls says: If you are her friend, then tell her to stay where she is.
[3:02:06 PM] lazarus0280 says: Well, being unable to talk to either her or Ethan has me against the wall. I thought you were the missing link
[3:02:18 PM] lazarus0280 says: I am more of an acqauntance right now
[3:02:50 PM] lazarus0280 says: But I have a network of friends that are trying to help her as best as possible.
[3:03:05 PM] timdnls says: Maybe she will still listen to you, even if she doesn't reply. And if you know her friends, use them to help her.
[3:03:35 PM] timdnls says: I will let you know if she contacts me.
[3:03:36 PM] lazarus0280 says: What methods or ways do you know of to possibly legitimize that encrypted message?
[3:04:03 PM] timdnls says: I don't, and that is the problem.
[3:04:19 PM] timdnls says: But why would Carlyal start warning Tyler against themselves?
[3:04:23 PM] timdnls says: It wouldn't make any sense.
[3:04:35 PM] lazarus0280 says: Agreed.
[3:04:51 PM] lazarus0280 says: My gut feeling is it has to be real....unless you were involved somehow
[3:05:17 PM] lazarus0280 says: and since you seem to be in the dark just as much I feel I am more confused then when i started
[3:05:25 PM] timdnls says: I've only read this email because it was forwarded it to me.
[3:05:43 PM] lazarus0280 says: Forwarded from whom?
[3:06:04 PM] timdnls says: From you, and from several other concerned friends.
[3:06:47 PM] lazarus0280 says: Alright, so basically your advice is to have Tyler sit tight for the moment.
[3:07:03 PM] lazarus0280 says: I need to continue trying to legitimize the original message.
[3:07:24 PM] lazarus0280 says: Contact you with any changes and vice versa
[3:07:26 PM] timdnls says: Yes, that's all I can say until she contacts me. Good luck with that. Contact me if you learn anything.
[3:07:36 PM] lazarus0280 says: Mr. daniels
[3:07:59 PM] lazarus0280 says: watch your back...if something happens and you feel your being watched or compromised send me a message
[3:08:35 PM] timdnls says: I will. The same goes for you as well.
[3:08:51 PM] lazarus0280 says: Alright good luck
[3:08:59 PM] timdnls says: We will talk soon.

Again...doesn't seem like that was much of a help other than maybe getting us to focus. It seems we probablly shouldn't of answered the questions for the week yet though as we have no idea how to legitimize that this message did indeed come from Ethan.

Anyone try STEG'ing that beach photo. so far i haven't had any luck from downloading it from rapidshare. Camouflage hasn't shown anything. Besides sending Ethan a generic message to ask if it really is from him I don't know how else to find out that it is really from him. For max pts there has to be some way to do it though.

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Evil Itch

Just another thought......because of all the be careful who you tell messages and stuff.... I am so itching to send the deciphered message to SecureId and see what happens. What do you think...would that be like game over?

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Hey y'all. So I didn't get over to the address in Brooklyn today because work got just a tad crazy. Sorry. I'm going to try to get to it tomorrow. I will bring my camera in case there is anything to be learned from the Secure ID Guard headquarters...backed by a major venture capital firm...in the middle of Bushwick Laughing

This game is starting to feel like one of those choose your own adventure novels...remember those from when you were a kid. I feel like I'm going to choose the wrong page and fall off a cliff or get eaten by a shark or something. Embarassed

Is anyone here actively playing Zach and Nicole's side of this game? Nicole left a contact in one of the prlog press releases. And we do have a number for Carlyal capital. I think Lazarus might be onto something. Nicole is sitting there all like...oh..."this is my girlfriend Tyler and I want her all better" one episode and then she's all like..."we should put a gun to her head and blow the codes Ethan told her out of her brain" the next episode. So if they bad guys have a double agent, and we're presumably playing the part of the good guys...should we get a double agent too.

I betcha the Carlyal people cut their teeth during the cold war...they are probably classically trained in double agent espionage.

EDIT: I tried to desteg the beach picture and didn't find anything Sad I used (De)Steg It and also tried to GIMP it by hand. Nada.

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I don't know

I am waiting to get mail from SecureId....I haven't done much with Nicole. I missed her contact info. Where did you see it at? I starting to get frustrated though. I thought for sure Tim would have something to say that was somewhat enlightening. Since I am not friends with either Tyler or Ethan I don't have the honor of direct contact with them. So that leaves Tim, Nicole, and Zach to play contact with. Possibly the sarah green character. Only other person would be Mr Sands. So that path of thinking is we should do something along the lines your suggesting Irene to advance the story. Otherwise we are dead in the water, and just playing a waiting game. So what is your idea with Nicole? Think we should approach with we know where Ethan is...?

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irene.adler wrote:
Hey y'all. So I didn't get over to the address in Brooklyn today because work got just a tad crazy. Sorry. I'm going to try to get to it tomorrow. I will bring my camera in case there is anything to be learned from the Secure ID Guard headquarters...backed by a major venture capital firm...in the middle of Bushwick Laughing

This game is starting to feel like one of those choose your own adventure novels...remember those from when you were a kid. I feel like I'm going to choose the wrong page and fall off a cliff or get eaten by a shark or something. Embarassed

Is anyone here actively playing Zach and Nicole's side of this game? Nicole left a contact in one of the prlog press releases. And we do have a number for Carlyal capital. I think Lazarus might be onto something. Nicole is sitting there all like...oh..."this is my girlfriend Tyler and I want her all better" one episode and then she's all like..."we should put a gun to her head and blow the codes Ethan told her out of her brain" the next episode. So if they bad guys have a double agent, and we're presumably playing the part of the good guys...should we get a double agent too.

I betcha the Carlyal people cut their teeth during the cold war...they are probably classically trained in double agent espionage.

EDIT: I tried to desteg the beach picture and didn't find anything Sad I used (De)Steg It and also tried to GIMP it by hand. Nada.


What was the contact for nicole? I'll be happy to play the "bad guy" angle...

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Well I was also thinking I should PM tyler and tell her she needs to get in touch with my friend lazarus...since he's been talking to Tim. Nicole is listed at the bottom of this press release
http://www.prlog.org/10103273-carlyal-captial-acquires-secureidguard.html
with a 'click to contact the author' link. maybe we should set up an extra player/character as a double agent/bad guy and write her and be like..."I know where Ethan is...he has the identities...contact me if you want the identities or Ethan. We have common interests."

Yeah, I can't get Tim to respond to me...you can't get Tyler to respond to you and no one knows why the heck Ethan has a picture of Italy on his blog!

I'm pretty lost too...

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irene.adler wrote:
Well I was also thinking I should PM tyler and tell her she needs to get in touch with my friend lazarus...since he's been talking to Tim. Nicole is listed at the bottom of this press release
http://www.prlog.org/10103273-carlyal-captial-acquires-secureidguard.html
with a 'click to contact the author' link. maybe we should set up an extra player/character as a double agent/bad guy and write her and be like..."I know where Ethan is...he has the identities...contact me if you want the identities or Ethan. We have common interests."

Yeah, I can't get Tim to respond to me...you can't get Tyler to respond to you and no one knows why the heck Ethan has a picture of Italy on his blog!

I'm pretty lost too...


Alright, I'm going to try and see what I can do. Besides, I like playing the bad guy angle...it's something I never do in real life Wink

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I'm admittingly behind in this game, but has anyone tried contacting Carlyle at their contact numbers?

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sirpoins wrote:
I'm admittingly behind in this game, but has anyone tried contacting Carlyle at their contact numbers?


I sent them an email, and shortly after got a request for my website, full access to it, etc. so I never really sent them anything back.
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From Tim conversation

Yeah that and the gist of the Tim conversation was basically to legitimize the message from Ethan. I mean I got the feeling he was being honest when he said Carlyal is kind of a dead horse right now. The way he came across to me was to figure out how to know Ethan's message was real. That and the not so subtle messages from the PM on there faq page that we aren't doing something right. No one figured it out the first week. So there is something we are missing, but I'll be damned if I can figure it out. It's possible you may find something Irene...but that's pretty crappy if we gotta be in New York to catch a break on this. As far as the social aspect I have contacted all the different players I see other than Nicole. So that seems to be the only link we haven't exhausted yet.

I know they said this is a social game...but really hasn't seemed that way to me since the pregame anyway. no comments from ethan, no comments from tyler, nothing worthwhile from Tim.... bah!!

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This probably deserves a [META] tag but I agree with your frustrations Lazarus. The first week's question was basically "did Ethan leave me because he stopped loving me, or was there something else?" But the answer to the first week's puzzle...was actually the second week's puzzle. Maybe. Because even now the PMs are leaving messages on the game forums like..."ARE YOU SURE????"

Well, no, I'm not sure...not SURE at all. I'd laugh my butt off if the puzzle the third week was deciphering a message from Ethan warning Tyler his email and blog has been hacked. "Carlyal is warning you against themselves because they want to scare you into staying put and not coming to find me. They thought with your memory problems my darling
you would be prone to a mental breakdown!" And we had to figure out if THAT message was real or faked. LOL. You can never know anything for sure, you make your best guess from the information you have and you either a.) wait until more information presents itself b.) go on what you go and figure out the whole truth based on what happens going forward. I really like the plot of the game, and parts of its structure because I'm in lobbying and politics and manufacture consent/dissent for a living but the point system combined with the nature of the information flow through the players to the characters is just not quite right.

As far as I know there are only four players that are in the friend circle. AgentGreen is still playing but probably isn't posting here due to the competitive nature of the game. I don't know about Linda, but Sassy isn't playing anymore because she got into a fight with Tyler about 20 pages back after Tyler wrote her and accused her of trying to break up her and Ethan. LOL. I personally find the fun in playing a game like this working with the hive mind so people not getting into a position where they can communicate with the main character is really cumbersome.
As far as I can tell from the score sheet, there's only like 35 people playing this actively because everyone else has 35 or 10 points from signup.

The creator guy at the cast party thing spoke about how they planned some sort of real life interaction for this game, but not just in New York. Doesn't mean there actually is anything out there, but I'll go out and try today. I asked directly if I was supposed to find something at the Habana Outpost Cafe at 757 Fulton (the original address for Secure ID Guard) but no one would answer the question directly. We'll see, of course I will post any pics or info I get.

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Good Luck

I agree with ya Irene. Well good luck and I hope you find something for us to work with. Watch your back....Carlyal is just around the corner. Dun, dun, dun.

Sirpoins, did you try to contact Nicole yet or go the bad guy route? If so mind filling us in on what ya said?

Another thing Irene that crossed my mind. Did you try asking Tyler for the original message? To possibly get the e-mail address of the sender. Since Tyler just put it up as a blog page maybe there is more to the message. At least maybe tracking where it originated from. Since your only one that can constantly get ahold of her. (hopefully after this week I will make friend status, sure as hell ain't from a lack of trying)

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Re: Good Luck

lazarus0280 wrote:
I agree with ya Irene. Well good luck and I hope you find something for us to work with. Watch your back....Carlyal is just around the corner. Dun, dun, dun.

Sirpoins, did you try to contact Nicole yet or go the bad guy route? If so mind filling us in on what ya said?

Another thing Irene that crossed my mind. Did you try asking Tyler for the original message? To possibly get the e-mail address of the sender. Since Tyler just put it up as a blog page maybe there is more to the message. At least maybe tracking where it originated from. Since your only one that can constantly get ahold of her. (hopefully after this week I will make friend status, sure as hell ain't from a lack of trying)


I did send the email, but I haven't heard anything back. I literally put in the email what Irene has posted...something about knowing where Ethan is...

I spent a couple of hours online last night looking over all of the different sites for any clues we may have missed, but I couldn't come up with anything...not yet anyway..

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yeah i agree, as far as i can tell we're all pretty good game players, well the ones actively playing. but i don't think they're presenting their information in the best ways possible. we're going into the 3rd week soon and only 1 of us can "talk" to tyler and other then meetings with tim we don't see much interaction. i know the creators are saying that we effect the game and outcome but so far i havent seen any effect. there has really only been updates on the friday, it seems like a hurry up and wait game. i really want to stick with it but i want more to do!! lol

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It is an experiment

Agreed Garrett. It is an experiment for the designers too. Remember as far as I know they all volunteering to do this. So they are learning and refining the experience as well. Consider this as a sort of beta experience. There hasn't been to much in this particular genre. Obviously make use of their forums and all too. I am sure they are watching this forum, but just in case direct suggestions and stuff to their page. I wonder if by the end we will have a Cliff's notes or something from the Deleted crew about things we could of done. As far as we know it could be something we are missing. So we shall see. A part of me agrees with the pts and making it somewhat difficult to be "friends" with Tyler and Ethan. I mean if she was getting 100+ messages a day from her friends we wouldn't be getting very far either. That and it has bugged me enough to motivate me to get that status. But at the same time frustrating that I feel like my efforts aren't really doing anything. Though i take the time to write them both each day with updates etc that in know way effects my score. Which I think it kind of should even if it is only a couple pts. Friendship requires communication and if I am taking the time out to drop them a line or two to keep them posted on the storyline etc shouldn't that count in getting me closer to being their "friends"? As it stands right now I feel like I am running in circles trying to make everyone happy but am still left out of the loop.

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