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[UPDATE] specific times on locations - Coordinates 8-17-04
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danteGA
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I am not sure of the relevance of this yet, but there is now (unlike the last list) a definite systematicity in the general ordering of the longitudes of the coordinates as you go down the list. Overall the coordinates move from east to west -- however, there are some very interesting deviations from this. To get a grip on it, I calculated the mean longitude for each hour's worth of coordinates in the list. Here they are:

6-7am: 79.2
7-8am: 84.9
8-9am: 89.5
9-10am: 108.3
10-11am: 101.7
11-12pm: 102.9
12-1pm: 91.9
1-2pm: 83.3
2-3pm: 84.2
3-4pm: 102.7
4-5pm: 114.8
5-6pm: 120.5
6:07pmPDT: San Francisco Smile

Keep in mind that these are *mean* longitudes -- in the middle hours, especially, there are individual data points that deviate widely east or west of the average.

But what I find interesting is that the times seem to cluster in groups of 3 hours -- for the first three hours the mean longitude starts on the far east coast and generally drifts westward, then abruptly jumps west for the next three hours, then abruptly jumps back "east" for the next 3 hours, then continues on its generally westward drift for the final 3 hours, where it finishes.

I'm just lookin' for patterns.. Perhaps this has something to do with U.S. time zones? Gonna try the latitudes next...

dante

EDIT: I realized after I posted this that the 6-9am time periods and the 3-6pm time periods (i.e., when the longitudes move more steadily from the east to the west) are the 4-minute intervals, while the more jumbled hours in the middle are the 3-minute intervals.

PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 6:57 pm
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MrToasty
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Could have something to do with which GPS satellites are visible from each location at that time. Might be able to predict this with this utility.

PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 7:02 pm
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GaUDeNTiUs
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What if the starting point is in the middle of the coordinates? Have the quirky two minute coord as the beginning . . .? And work from there . . .

GD

PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 7:07 pm
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missphinx
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I've made a map with all the Berkeley, California coords in order of appearance that somebody else might find useful. There are two new coordinates in Berkeley (1st & 3rd on the list).

37.868933 -122.25715 8:55 Bancroft and Bowditch
37.871767 -122.272933 11:50 University and MLK
37.872283 -122.2673 15:27 Shattuck & University
37.86885 -122.269083 15:59 above Milvia/Kittredge
37.866867 -122.258633 16:43 Channing & Telegraph
37.863883 -122.267617 17:27 Dwight & Shattuck

PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 7:08 pm
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sfsdfd
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danteGA wrote:
But what I find interesting is that the times seem to cluster in groups of 3 hours -- for the first three hours the mean longitude starts on the far east coast and generally drifts westward, then abruptly jumps west for the next three hours, then abruptly jumps back "east" for the next 3 hours, then continues on its generally westward drift for the final 3 hours, where it finishes.

Can we group these by area? Is it possible that, in each area, one person was assigned to visit two or three locations? This appears to be the case in Cleveland - one group of three near downtown (9am, 1pm, 5pm) and another group of three in a distant suburb (similarly staggered, I think.)

Is this generally true everywhere? If so, it might be very suggestive of what we're likely to see next Tuesday.

- David Stein

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will_bushman
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If you enter the Latitude for the new coordinates as an IP address in the form xx.xx.xx.xx, you get websites, I've tested four and they all work. Possibly a similar puzzle to the original links puzzle?

PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 8:06 pm
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princeofthesword
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I was thinking like the Very Large Array, Sixbynine, not really about the pointing. Just that maybe every point is a focus of some sort. We have to remember that even though Melissa is in our silicon world, she's a futuristic AI, and she might have other methods of dealing with our stuff than we realize.

I'm still having trouble with this, there's more to this than just the numbers. All you brilliant number people, great work and I wish I could keep up! I'll spec on the dirt of it all, meantime. *ponders* So, Digital Cowboy was saying Melissa's looking for her voice or body, which we know is true. I'm worried that voice is more in a cosmological sense, as in sending a distress signal or whatnot. Even more worried that we're supposed to maybe stop it from signaling before Tuesday! Dana help!?

It's the changes from what Spider laid out compared to our new stuff, which based on the SP email leads me to think it's Flea plotting something. Yeah we all know that, but my point is what if the Queen is trying to find her voice (send a message? SOS?) but the Flea has discreetly changed those for his own purposes (possibly Covenant.) If memory serves, in the novel First Strike we don't really have a clear reason presented as to why they know where Earth is all of a sudden. That's getting too off track though, and I doubt it's the way we're supposed to go.

Another thing that bothers me: all the talk about a body. Anton AKA Steve would be our dude for this one, but I don't recall AIs ever having bodies in the Haloverse. Holo projections, ship interfaces (Cortana sometimes referred to the Autumn as her "body") but not in a literal sense, like robots or whatever. Don't quote me on that, I could be wrong (I seem to recall an instance in a cargo bay with docking bots being controlled remotely by our AI, but I might be crossing wires with Kiddy Grade or some other anime/sci-fi) So by body does she mean bigger network? I keep feeling a lot of Marathon stuff in this, but that's probably because we're dealing with mostly AIs *grins*

Don't stop the # crunching, there wouldn't be all the info there if it wasn't meant to be there, but don't forget to spec on the changes and if we're supposed to do something. I honestly don't get the feel we've got to become physically involved in this, in fact I find the narrowing of the coordinates to more precise numbers to point AWAY from us getting more involved IRL. There's something we're missing, something intangible!!! *Ponders* Great thinking everyone!
Farewell.

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devolver
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sfsdfd wrote:
Can we group these by area? Is it possible that, in each area, one person was assigned to visit two or three locations? This appears to be the case in Cleveland - one group of three near downtown (9am, 1pm, 5pm) and another group of three in a distant suburb (similarly staggered, I think.)


This is the case in Seattle. All of the new Seattle coordinates are very very close to each other--the same square mile. One person could easily to everything. In fact, they could do it so easily that he/she would have to sit around in a bar or something to waste time. Or possibly Starbucks, since I believe the last Seattle location is a Starbucks, as far as I can tell. Fitting.

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sfsdfd
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devolver wrote:
Or possibly Starbucks, since I believe the last Seattle location is a Starbucks, as far as I can tell. Fitting.

Two of the three downtown Cleveland locations are an Arabica and - uh, the parking lot of the Arabica, apparently. I don't mind doing something at 9am if it's in the vicinity of java.

- David Stein

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Clipped_Wings
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From what I gather about america there'll be at least 5 Starbucks per coordinate.

PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 8:34 pm
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SocialElite
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New York City reconnaisance

I have just spent the last 3 hours touring NYC on my rollerblades, and I visited 5 out of the 7 sites. Here is a list of the 7 sites, no particular order:

1) Fordham University
2) New York University
3) The New York Times
4) Rockefeller University
5) The New York Public Library (Mid-town Branch)
6) Random location between 1st and 2nd Ave. on 14th St.
7) The Whitney Museum of American Art

Observations:
First, no payphones whatsoever. Additionally, with security the way it is in midtown nowadays (i.e. police on every other corner) the *only* way I can imagine a message being given to us would be through a specific person. Packages, etc. are a no-no.
Second, these are all important locations, with the exception of #6. If there is another revision soon that drops this location ( 40.73, -073.98 ) off of this list, it could mean something significant.
Third, it appears as if someone or something is contemplating the importance of education. The Whitney focuses on art and aesthetics. Rockefeller University specializes in science. The Public Library obviously has a wide range of general reference knowledge. The specific GPS coordinates for NYU and Fordham point directly to the Graduate Schools of Education housed within both universities. Considering how spread out the campuses of both NYU and Fordham are, a coincidence is highly unlikely, but not necessarily impossible.

Sorry about the length of this post, but I thought that given the number of sites I looked at, someone might be able to find a pattern and relate it to their own area. And if I've somehow repeated the findings of others or otherwise provided useless info (trouted?) I sincerely apologize. With regards,

Ian

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deadlock
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someone posted that these coordinates couldnt be bombing locations because they arent actualy near anything. (this was posted about the origional coordinates not the new ones)
still i thought id mention the fact that they are PERFECT places for "squirt gun fights".......
/me loves wild speculation Very Happy
also the bombing scene in that trailer looks like the DC coordinates upsidedown


Edit: To lessen the possibility of DHS agents knock-knock-knocking at my door. -SpaceBass

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ava_rob
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After some serious web searching, it looks like the Indianapolis location is a Pizza Place (!?)

It's an hour from me so i can't actually walk around the site w/ the GPS until tuesday when i go, but ... pizza?

I'm still not seeing a common thread in these locations...

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AngryEd
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I have an issue. I went to 41.07799 -81.51052 as mapped by mapquest and confirmed by mappoint software (The Coords point to a highschool in the midst of Akron University), but my car's gps unit did not indicate those coords. I drove around till I found the EXACT coords on my gps unit and I was sitting next to a fountain in a cemetery.

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AngryEd
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sfsdfd wrote:
AngryEd wrote:
Just as an FYI I don't see a chronological ordering for clusters. This is map showing coords and times for the ohio points.

Nice job, AngryEd. Note that you missed one - the first Cleveland one, and the second one on the list (41.511567 -081.607317).

Are you going to cover these? I had been considering taking the day off of work to hit them, but if they're already covered I probably won't...

- David Stein


I went to two tonight. I am having an issue aligning my car's GPS with the coords. The mapped points aren't matching up at all with where I am going. for example, 41.07799 -81.51052 was mapped right beside a highschool amidst the Akron U campus. via mappoint and mapquest. But using my car's GPS I determined that the actual location of 41.07799 -81.51052 is right smack dab in the middle of a graveyard, right next to a water fountain / pond. So either mappoint is wrong, or my car's gps is screwed, or my gps calculates lat and long differently.

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