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[UPDATE] specific times on locations - Coordinates 8-17-04
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TheFanboy
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"Entries that have something to do with bees or whatever, but which are so far out of the way that it's hard to imagine that any sort of game event would occur there. "

If there was something special to happen, like a rep giving out free stuff and you had limited supplys...wouldn't it be good tor reward the few individuals who went well out of their way to see what is happening at these places?

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msekolpsu
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Sorry that this is spec (and complaining), but if these coords are the end, this stinks. At the risk of being flamed horribly, here goes...

What kind of puzzle is it if something happens at these locations at these times? Seems really easily solvable - the answer is show up here when we say. What kind of puzzle is that? Here's the handout scenario:

- Someone will physically be there to hand you something in which case, it's game over. The AI will not be coordinating a physical handout, only the PMs behind it would.

Why would you be rewarded again? For figuring out a location on GPS, which is so readily available on the Internet? C'mon people! Don't give up on the puzzle aspect of the coords.

If the flea sent out the green text e-mail, where is the secret? A handout?

Oh, cloudmakers, why have you forsaken us?!

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The biggest problem I see with the handout theory, other then it meaning the end of the game, is that once word gets out that freebies are being handed out at these locations, all the locations that fall later in the day will be mobed.

PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:16 pm
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Some avenues I think warrant more exploration

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msekolpsu wrote:

Sorry that this is spec (and complaining), but if these coords are the end, this stinks. At the risk of being flamed horribly, here goes...

What kind of puzzle is it if something happens at these locations at these times? Seems really easily solvable - the answer is show up here when we say. What kind of puzzle is that? Here's the handout scenario:

- Someone will physically be there to hand you something in which case, it's game over. The AI will not be coordinating a physical handout, only the PMs behind it would.

Why would you be rewarded again? For figuring out a location on GPS, which is so readily available on the Internet? C'mon people! Don't give up on the puzzle aspect of the coords.

If the flea sent out the green text e-mail, where is the secret? A handout?

Oh, cloudmakers, why have you forsaken us?!


A preface: I think this person is spot on. If all the puzzle is is a "show up here, get a gimmick", then it's pretty underwhelming.

Hello all! Short time lurker, first time poster. I spent 9 hours last night reading every post available on the old coordinates and about 2 hours tonight pawing through every post on the new coordinates in this thread. If I missed something, I apologize, and feel free to club the holy hell out of me with a trout. However, I've seen three interesting theories not fully explored:

1. Melissa and/or The Pious Flea is attempting to give itself a physical body through infilitrating some sort of physical internet or other telecommunications medium. Think William Gibson's Neuromancer -- what is the AI Wintermute/Neuromancer trying to do? -- expand its physical body to gain fuller sentience by infilitrating other networks. So we have: Melissa/Operatore/whoever is going to use GPS satellites or wi-fi nodes or internet supernodes. I think the most promising is GPS satellites. If no one else has posted it by the time I get home from work tomorrow, I'll compile a list of GPS satellites that will be at the coordinates and their closest GPS satellites using this site: http://sirius.chinalake.navy.mil/satpred/ If someone could give me a quick and dirty way to convert GPS coords traditional measures of longitude and lattitude, that would be swell.

2. The points and times record the time it takes to travel between the two coordinates. I'm not sure enough attention has been paid to the fact that the coordinates are presented as a 2 by x table, and I think it might indicate some connection between the rows. Again, if no one else has done it by the time I get around to it, I'll put together a table of the coordinates, the distances between each set, and the time difference between the two listed.

3. The wildly spec "Maybe they're IPs" claim. I thought it too because it seems like a puzzle that's being pointed to so heavily would theoretically advance the game forward in a more significant fashion.

If somebody somewhere has addressed these concerns, please swat me with a trout and point me to the relevant posts! Smile

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i think the handout idea would make more sense if these coordinates all somehow pointed to one specific coord (i.e. the center, or something like that) which would represent the castle, and something happened at this specific location. This would also fit into the more precies coordinates theory because it would make the center location more precise as well.

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acki2003 wrote:
Something to consider about in-person interactions at these sites is in Florida -- recall Hurricane Charley recently tore through Orlando...where 2 sites are located. Rolling Eyes


Actually, the two sites are in Kissimmee, but that's just a quibble. I've visited the general location of one of the coordinates, and the damage is minimal (mostly knocked down signs and trees). I might be able to check the other one tomorrow.

My biggest concern would have been loss of service to whatever transmittal service may or may not be used. However, this area seems to be getting back utilities faster than a number of other locations, probably because it's right on the tourist strip.

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msekolpsu wrote:
What kind of puzzle is it if something happens at these locations at these times? Seems really easily solvable - the answer is show up here when we say. What kind of puzzle is that?

Keep in mind that the Evan Chan game (which the same people designed as are designing this game) featured a well-publicized, in-game meeting. The attendees were given a game - if memory serves, it was a jigsaw puzzle with a few pieces missing - and that led to a very interesting puzzle.

Another note: That in-game event was screwed up, too. The organizers were supposed to give out something but didn't, and it made the puzzle practically unsolvable. Cloudmakers came up with a really neat solution, and it flowed well into the subsequent game, but it was a serious error.

- David Stein

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Has anyone done the distance calculations on the new coordinates yet? I still feel that it's too much of a coincidence that the coordinates are in pairs and we were pointed to a distance calculator by Dana. Also has anyone been able to access the calculator linked to by Dana? I've always gotten a "connection refused" error. It would be nice if we could perform the calculations on the tool we were pointed at, because if the solution is to add the numbers in the distance to get a number that corresponds to a letter, and different calculators return slightly different results it could throw the whole thing off.

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the original coordinates for milwaukee are 61st and north avenue.
the coordinates now are 88th and north at 15:35 PDT


i think you guys are making this harder then it is. i think there will be a van, or something driving down the street at this time giving the demos away.

thats why they are in the middle of the street.

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tomdom69 wrote:
the original coordinates for milwaukee are 61st and north avenue.
the coordinates now are 88th and north at 15:35 PDT


i think you guys are making this harder then it is. i think there will be a van, or something driving down the street at this time giving the demos away.

thats why they are in the middle of the street.


tomdom69 wrote:
giving the demos away.


tomdom69 wrote:
GIVING THE DEMOS AWAY.


Desperate Thickheaded Fanboy wrote:
GIVING THE DEMOS AWAY!!!


As stated 100,000 times. There is no demo. There never will be during the course of this ARG. Start devoting all that fanboy energy to spec that will go somewhere, please. Very Happy
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Re: I'm sure someone's already on it, but...

AngryEd wrote:

All the ohio marks look like college areas to me off hand, though further investigation will likely prove otherwise. There's one across the street from the Rock hall of fame.


41.511567 -81.607317 - Cleveland, OH - near CWRU campus, in front of Arabica or Barking Spider

41.153867 -81.35625 - Kent, OH - NE corner of Main and DePuyster

41.147517 -81.342883 - Risman Plaza on Kent State University campus in front of Student Center (the Rat?)

41.508767 -81.69425 - Cleveland, OH - E 9th Street, adjacent to Roack and Roll Hall of Fame in front of Coast Guard station

41.077988 -81.510519 - University of Akron, OH - SE Corner of Buchtel and College near new learning building

41.511333 -81.606833 - Cleveland, OH - CWRU Campus, close to above point (behind buildings or in Fraternity row?)

sorry if repeat, too tired to page through all..

comments/clarifications welcome,

Tell me when to go to U of Akron spot.

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daegan wrote:
As stated 100,000 times. There is no demo. There never will be during the course of this ARG. Start devoting all that fanboy energy to spec that will go somewhere, please. Very Happy


Ha ha! Laugh at the fanboy! How clueless one must be to imagine that a site set up to generate interest in Halo 2 might attempt generating interest in Halo 2. (In other words, don't try to score points off of newbies, which ought to be put in the same category as tormenting the handicapped and throwing snowballs at the glasses-bearing.)

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Easy there, I'd be elated if there was someone driving around giving out demos. Not everyone is up to speed, it seems, though. 69, Frankie at Bungie has said without doubt that there will NOT be a Halo 2 demo before the game's official release Nov. 9th. Daegan, tempted though you may be, don't kill the guy for his enthusiasm, ignore him if he offends you that much.

But yeah, please think things through a bit more, and research. Ha, search and then re-search. The demo idea has been long gone.

Back to our topic at hand, what evidence do we have that this would really point to an in-game meeting of sorts with the PMs? I'm not saying it's impossible, just doesn't seem to fit the story so far. Think of the stats: there's more people playing this game than there are locations. Driving costs money, and someone's bound to get sued if one drove 678 KMs just to answer a phone call and was quite disappointed. Please, not flaming the idea, just wanting alternate thoughts examined just as thoroughly.

The wise Ivan Leopold has summed it up pretty well, IMO.

I think the change in the axons as well as the times now given are meant to show that this is more story/game related, not Real Life stuff for us to get into. There's a puzzle here, not a sign to stand next to and wait for something, I believe. Keep an open mind, and let's find a story link. They're being stingy with their clue handouts, but we've got more than we realize. Farewell, and keep thinking out of the box.

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Kind of interesting how a lot of them are universities, libraries, historical monuments, etc; stuff to do with learning.

edit: I know this has been kind of said before, I'm just repeating it for the benefit of those who haven't seen that yet.
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People visited some of the sites prior to the update--heck, I even walked by a few--and there weren't any obvious clues. I was halfway in the 'distances' camp and halfway in the 'physical location' camp, but after the update I'm leaning towards the actual place.

I'm going to wait and see if later this week brings another Dana or Princess email, and maybe check out some of the afternoon locations this weekend. It seems likely that nothing will happen there 'til Tuesday, but there's always the fear that we ought to have the puzzle solved by then.

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