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GunsmithCat
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BoonIsha wrote:
Radio stations? we know she wants a voice..and it shouldnt be that hard to pay radio stations to broadcast something...just like a normal advertisement.


How long is the average radio commercial? Less than 3 minutes I would think. But how long is the normal commercial block?

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GunsmithCat
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So... what does that have to do with the coordinates? Wink


If there's an IG event on the radio, the PMs would have to give us some way to know which stations to listen to.

And what time Smile

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BoonIsha
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 		thats the tricky part...i mean, we have the time...so it would have to be on separate radio stations...but damn it was such a clever solution.

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GunsmithCat wrote:
but if CP ancestor packets are from now ... why haven't we heard of them Smile

I guess I could see her as saying "this protocol isn't an ancestor to CP (her known protocol)" ...


she calls a protocol "CP ancestor packets" frequently, as it's an ancestor to her modern-day CP (chatter protocol IIRC) -- of course, we don't know it by that name!

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I don't see a connection to Dana's webcam though ... that's all TCP/IP in the end. Might be UDP or something, but still Melissa is referencing something she is familiar with (CP ancestor packets), saying that's not what's she has found and she needs to learn this new protocol.


But the quote about finding a new protocol comes directly before she takes the photos of Dana, so it must be related. I originally thought the difference was between email and SSH, for example, but given some of the assumptions we're making/we have to make about the ilovebees server, that doesn't hold up. *shrug* I don't think it's all that relevant now she's broken free of CP ancestor anyway.
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sherpa wrote:
The 'ancestor' suggests to me that these old-fashioned packets are from nowadays. I think the 'something different' comes when Dana is using a different protocol (to try to fix the website?), 'cause that's when the Queen latches on to her and grabs her webcam.


CP = chatter protocol. Presumably an e-mail/instant-messaging/etc. communications protocol.

I agree with Sherpa, when Melissa saw some traffic that wasn't our stupid plaintext HTTP requests or e-mails (which, containing more or less plain-language communications with some headers and markup, could seem like an ancestor to her "modern" chatter protocol), she jumped on it, and ended up staring right at Dana through her webcam.

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BoonIsha wrote:
thats the tricky part...i mean, we have the time...so it would have to be on separate radio stations...but damn it was such a clever solution.


Not giving up on it yet, but I don't think we can be sure until we get clearer data. If these start to reduce to just a couple a city, we might get the right clues.

For instance, in Chicago there is a location close to Wrigley field. WGNAM is the official Cubs broadcaster. This is definitely in wild spec terroritory still, but at least at has some IG evidence and isn't meta crazy (much easier to have people tune in to a radio at a specific time than to expect them to drive somewhere)/

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Extrasonic wrote:
sherpa wrote:
The 'ancestor' suggests to me that these old-fashioned packets are from nowadays. I think the 'something different' comes when Dana is using a different protocol (to try to fix the website?), 'cause that's when the Queen latches on to her and grabs her webcam.


CP = chatter protocol. Presumably an e-mail/instant-messaging/etc. communications protocol.

I agree with Sherpa, when Melissa saw some traffic that wasn't our stupid plaintext HTTP requests or e-mails (which, containing more or less plain-language communications with some headers and markup, could seem like an ancestor to her "modern" chatter protocol), she jumped on it, and ended up staring right at Dana through her webcam.


Yeah, now that I've re-read that passage I can definitely see that angle.

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GunsmithCat wrote:
BoonIsha wrote:
thats the tricky part...i mean, we have the time...so it would have to be on separate radio stations...but damn it was such a clever solution.


Not giving up on it yet, but I don't think we can be sure until we get clearer data. If these start to reduce to just a couple a city, we might get the right clues.

For instance, in Chicago there is a location close to Wrigley field. WGNAM is the official Cubs broadcaster. This is definitely in wild spec terroritory still, but at least at has some IG evidence and isn't meta crazy (much easier to have people tune in to a radio at a specific time than to expect them to drive somewhere)/


If you really want to get aggressive about the radio/broadcast angle, I'd suggest following the FCC link at the bottom of this post:

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=55539#55539

I haven't tried it again since the coords changed yesterday.

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Extrasonic wrote:

If you really want to get aggressive about the radio/broadcast angle, I'd suggest following the FCC link at the bottom of this post:

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=55539#55539

I haven't tried it again since the coords changed yesterday.


Excellent.

I also found this one:

http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/lpfm/lpfm_channel_finder.html

So we know that someone could find available FM & AM frequencies via the net using GPS coordinates. We have some evidence that Melissa is capable of creating a makeshift radio (pretty darn neat trick for an AI, but OK) and she's capable of making human like sounds. We have evidence that maybe she wants a voice even before she has a body. That seems like a lot of IG evidence.

Meta wise it makes much more sense than 200 MS employees handing out t-shirts in a cornfield. It wouldn't be any more expensive than any other radio ad campaign, maybe even slightly cheaper. It doesn't require anyone driving out to abandoned buildings.

Anyone seeing holes in the theory so far?

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I disagree that luminescence "can only mean" x-rays, radio waves, etc. In fact, I am pretty convinced that she means light (since that's what luminescence refers to)


I said the spectrum from x-rays to radio waves. This includes visible light as the spectrum includes all electromagnetic radiation.

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 		This is a totally different direction and may have been mentioned before, but I'm new to this. Please forgive me if this isn't very relevant.

I've noticed from reading these threads that some of the locations have a fountain, and two are at an arch (St. Louis and one in New York...?). These appear to be circles to me. From above, the fountain is in a circle-shape. If you mirror the arch, it becomes a circle. Are there any pools of water near the arches that could make it appear to be a circle? Oh, and this is why I'm after the circle thing: Circles could also be interpreted as halos (as in the ones above your head), and therefore Halo. I don't play the game, but thought this was an interesting idea. Any thoughts?

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GunsmithCat, Esquire wrote:
Meta wise it makes much more sense than 200 MS employees handing out t-shirts in a cornfield. It wouldn't be any more expensive than any other radio ad campaign, maybe even slightly cheaper. It doesn't require anyone driving out to abandoned buildings.

Anyone seeing holes in the theory so far?


(You like that "esquire" part, GSC? Very Happy )

Anyway, I tend to think that all of the ocean locations changing point us to physical interactions of some sort, not radio frequencies. Mind you, Meta-wise, I do agree that this is quite plausible, and would be cool to boot. However, I just tend to think that since a physical interaction can still be answering a phone or retreiving a package or digging under a mound of fresh dirt or something, it doesn't necessarily mandate the kind of unlikely manpower that, oh, say giving out T-shirts in a cornfield may take. Laughing But I like the ideas here... (and of course, even though I don't buy into this theory, be assured, I WILL be flipping through the radio stations as I drive to the Bensenville, Illinois location...)
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 		Jenny's Idea
I like Jenny's spec very much. Instead of your circle=Halo theory, though, it calls to minds the "circles, triangles and rods" that have been referenced before. Perhaps the arches are actually triangles. The Cape Cod locations seem to support this - a McDonalds (arches) and a Burger King (a circular logo).
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jegger wrote:
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I disagree that luminescence "can only mean" x-rays, radio waves, etc. In fact, I am pretty convinced that she means light (since that's what luminescence refers to)


I said the spectrum from x-rays to radio waves. This includes visible light as the spectrum includes all electromagnetic radiation.


And I said light specifically and intentionally excluded "x-rays, radio waves, etc.", because I would interpret luminescence very narrowly and wouldn't expect it to mean the entire spectrum.

Still, we're both being a bit silly. Finding new ways to argue with people that agree with you is a sign that the PMs haven't given us enough data to know what's really happening, don't you think? Wink

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Extrasonic wrote:

And I said light specifically and intentionally excluded "x-rays, radio waves, etc.", because I would interpret luminescence very narrowly and wouldn't expect it to mean the entire spectrum.

Still, we're both being a bit silly. Finding new ways to argue with people that agree with you is a sign that the PMs haven't given us enough data to know what's really happening, don't you think? Wink


Agreed. Many more important things to discuss Smile

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