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[PUZZLE] Axons: Brainstorming
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BoonIsha
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 		the more i consider the coordinates, the more i am convinced that it is NOT something there...or something that will happen there. im thinking its in the information they have given us...not the numbers or anything, but the actual information.. Like this should lead us to doing research or something and maybe to a new website???

Heres a small list of whats bugging me about the locations:

1)Accuracy is changed, and probably will again. I think that we should be researching axons and possibly their accuracy, and how that can change with respect to time.

2)Axons are roads for the AI. And she is digging them, and she obviously wants to get out of her current prison. Where would she go? Wheres her most likely destination? Some sort of vast supercomputer array? The entire internet?

3)The name melissa was also the name of a virus not too long ago i believe...anyone researched this to see how it spread, what it did, and where it originated?

4)We have three dimensions of the axons obviously...we have Lat Lon and Time. Wich leaves altitude...but i dont think this is important. I think the important part of this is the fact that we are getting more and more precise...which implies that Melissa is getting closer and closer to her destination...whatever that may be. She is zeroing in on SOMETHING at each of these locations. Instead of looking at the exact coordinates, has anyone checked what the cities themselves have in common? Look for things like large computer arrays (college campuses, internet backbones, research centers) Obviously most large cities will have some or even all of these, but if the cities that dont also dont have coords, we could have a connection

5)I have posted this before and I will do so again. The old links page linked to some websites that were either hosted in or connected to some of the same cities we are finding coordinates in. There must be some sort of connection we are missing. If you dont have a copy of all the old links, go to bees.netninja.com and click on mirrors, ilovebees, and then links.html

Thats all, and alot of it was prob garbage, but i just got to typing and couldnt stop.

Boon

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Dolar
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 		I am new here but have been keeping up on the game for the past week but I had a idea. What if the actual points are there to find a central location or point? And the times are how you draw the lines to those locations. Use a clock face as a guide(12 is north, 3 is east, 6 is south, 9 is west) and draw your line, from the GPS location, where the minute hand is on the clock.

I know the the changing of PDT to PST makes people think that means the times are important and leans to being there physically on the 24th. But then again who knows.

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 		General question: Is the Radio Theory strong enough to merit a new thread?

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BoonIsha
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 		radio idea: no, i dont think so...it was just a passing thought i had. ive already dismissed it. of course, if you have some new spec on it, feel free to start a new thread, but im certainly not going to volunteer it.

boon

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chaotic_mind
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 		[WILD SPEC] [NO, REALLY]
Okay, this is still the brainstorming thread, and it looks like a tropical storm is moving up on Cape Chaotic Mind.

I also apologize, 'cause I"m not checking this against the Wiki. So, quickly inform me where I screw up, and I'll try to patch the theory. Also, I bet a lot of this spec is old. Still, I thought I try to put it all together into one mosaic.

So, Melissa is trapped. She doesn't know where. Perhaps she doesn't consider this place Earth? All she knows is that she is in antiquated equipment. That probably should've clued in that something is very wrong here. Course, she may not be thinking how antiquate our equipment is. She may believe that she is in one of the surviving Outer Colonies.

Melissa's first priority was to escape. Presumably, the SPDR was doing that for her. Since the SPDR is assumed to be merely a routine, it no doubt is looking for communication outlets. Obviously, what the SPDR considers a communication outlet, and what we consider a communication outlet is very different.

Melissa may have some way of checking the coordinates the SPDR found. That indicates that Melissa has access to satelite imagery. Thus, where the SPDR is working from a strict internet perspective, Melissa can connect it to real world events. So, the SPDR retrieves a coordinate in the ocean, and Melissa checks it. She discovers that the coordinate is covered in water, which seems to make it unsuitable for her purposes.

Thus, this may indicate why the coordinates have moved to population centers. Melissa may be looking at the satelite imagery, and coordinating that with what she is finding on the internet side of things.

But, Melissa's goal is no longer to escape. Sure, she wants to escape, but not to reunite with the UNSC. She wants to find Dana. Now, Melissa doesn't seem to recognize a world beyond that of the ilovebees.com server. Sure, there are "fireflies" everywhere. but is Melissa really wasting her time on those?

So, Melissa is looking for sites in major cities. Why? If Melissa doesn't believe herself to be on Earth, she may be looking for transmitters.

(Halo question: Since communication between systems in the Haloverse seems to be much faster then light, I assume slipstream is involved in communications. Is it couriered by ships, or transmitted as information across slipspace? I'd like a confirm or deny, thank you in advance.)

That suggests she is attempting to contact the UNSC. Which, because of the perversion of the Flea, results in Melissa contacting the Covenant.

But obviously the Earth of 2004 has no such transmitter. Melissa could get confused, and attempt to use radio stations to accomplish this (meta: microsoft places an radio ad). As we get closer to "hot time, axons in the city" Melissa may be able to pull these points closer to radio stations, and freq.

The storm is still going on, but there's nothing really coherent yet.

Luke P.

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GunsmithCat
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 		Re: [WILD SPEC] [NO, REALLY]
chaotic_mind wrote:
(Halo question: Since communication between systems in the Haloverse seems to be much faster then light, I assume slipstream is involved in communications. Is it couriered by ships, or transmitted as information across slipspace? I'd like a confirm or deny, thank you in advance.)


Actually, we don't even have to get Haloverse here. There's references to slipstream in both the Phase 2 monologe and the diary page from SP - which specifically references slipstream transmissions.

But speaking of Haloverse, I think in Halo:Teh Game they still seem to be using radio transmissions as well.

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Astald
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 		I'm pretty sure in the monologue that Melissa mentions she knows she is on Earth. I can't believe how useful that Wiki was now that it is gone.
I like the radio theory alot though, I hope that they do that rather than require people to go to those coords, cause I work next Tues. I can always just tape whatever radio station the broadcast would be on, if we ever find out that much info.

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GunsmithCat
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Astald wrote:
I'm pretty sure in the monologue that Melissa mentions she knows she is on Earth.


I can't be sure, but I don't think so.

All of these reference seem to be commentary from players, not characters

I can't even seem to access google's cache of the wiki anymore though Sad

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Astald wrote:
I'm pretty sure in the monologue that Melissa mentions she knows she is on Earth. I can't believe how useful that Wiki was now that it is gone.

For what it's worth, in the Mayday text, Melissa tried to figure out "the general direction of south" by looking for the Southern Cross, which is a constellation visible only from Earth's southern hemisphere. That might just have been an assumption on her part, but it is an odd assumption to make if you're usually aboard a spaceship that deliberately never goes anywhere near this planet.
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chaotic_mind
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Shad0 wrote:
For what it's worth, in the Mayday text, Melissa tried to figure out "the general direction of south" by looking for the Southern Cross, which is a constellation visible only from Earth's southern hemisphere.


Relavant passage from the Wiki:

Melissa wrote:
"At night in the Earth's southern hemisphere, run an imaginary line along the axis of the Southern Cross to extend out about five times the length of that axis. Any landmark directly under that imaginary point will be in the general direction of south."
Any landmark.
Sandmark.
anything
anything
nothing


My sense of this is not that Melissa believes she is on Earth, but is quoting something random she found. This early, Melissa isn't especially lucid. I think she may've been stabbing in the dark for anything. Since she finishes the statement with "sandmark" and "nothing", I don't think she found the Southern Cross, let alone any stars.

Which brings me to another axon possibility. Maybe Melissa is trying to find places where she can look up into the stars, to try to identify her position, if she is truly unaware of her location.

Luke P.

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Shad0
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chaotic_mind wrote:
My sense of this is not that Melissa believes she is on Earth, but is quoting something random she found. This early, Melissa isn't especially lucid. I think she may've been stabbing in the dark for anything. Since she finishes the statement with "sandmark" and "nothing", I don't think she found the Southern Cross, let alone any stars.

Oh, absolutely. Melissa failed utterly in her efforts to figure out where she was, and she certainly didn't see the Southern Cross (which wouldn't have been visible from California, D.C., or anywhere else in the United States anyway). However, she did try to do it by assuming -- correctly, as it turns out -- that she was on Earth.

Again, though, I agree that this may have been Melissa taking a random shot in the dark, without any basis for assuming that she actually was on Earth.
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Sulik2
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 		How bout mapping the interstates over the GPS locations?
I did a search and didn't find anything else here so I hope I am not trouting.
The clues we are getting keep referencing roads. So my idea is overlay a map of the US with all the major interstates on it, onto the GPS spots and see what happens. The picture of all the GPS points mapped out made me think of the interstates in their distribution for some reason. Maybe the points that don't fall near or on the expressways are the ones that can be weeded out. B/c with the page itself eliminating some points maybe that is method to find out what ones are real. Or maybe the points that lay off the roads make letters that spell something. I don't know how to do the overlay, but I thought I would share my idea.

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 		It's 12:55am and I get out of bed because I've had a brainstorm, ok?

The problem with the scouting already done is people had the whole 360 degrees of unfocus senery to view. Also we seen to have droped the pairs setup in current calculations.

What would happen if you used the direction of the next spot as and indication of where to focus your attention. First person in DC looks ENE towards Cleveland. Cleveland looks towards DC.

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 		Satellites as a possible link to Coordinates
This was an idea I heard loosely thrown around in a few posts. I even think that someone was checking this out. But it isn't far fetched to believe that Melissa's coordinates with the times are actually Satellites( times they are over each city). I feel this is a possibility that no one has taken seriously, why else give time and location? It also fits into the big picture of Melissa/Flea searching for something. Satellites could even be used to reveal or relay a message deep in space. I have been looking for a site in which you could give coordinates with time and come up with a list of all satellites that are available. The site this other person was using only used certain ones and did not focus on the breadth of satelliltes that are active. If I could get some more help on this it might be easier, at least other than just me checking once I get free time.

Something like this site maybe? http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/satellite.html
Whaddaya think?

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