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[GunsmithCat]

[princeofthesword]

*grins* Hope I didn't offend you, you're just well versed in Haloesque topics, yet you're not the avid gamer your mind seems to present. I love the game because 1: it has a great story 2: it plays well. I tend to stick with RPGs, because of the "Play the Novel" feel they used to give. Now it's more like "Watch the movie while you push the buttons." Halo has an epic, RPG like story.

FYI, GC, the Jjarro (spelling morphs around in the games) sent us a hologram in '90 something about the god under the pyramid, but that was Bungie's Pathways into Darkness game, not Marathon. So far, Bungie has not admitted any direct connection between any of its game's universes, though names, emblems, even badguys (Hunters were in Marathon and Halo, and look quite similar) keep showing up. Along with Every Multiple of Seven you can think of, and 3s. They like messing playfully with our heads, but they're not cruel about it. I seem to remember they once denied any DIRECT connection between Marathon and Halo, and that can go as far or short as one wants to make it.

And yes, the Jjarro could very well be the Forerunner, they certainly bear more similarities than differences. Yet we know so VERY little about both.

At this point, all I can do is agree with your specs in your previous post. We're at a place where we don't understand it all, and it could be any of those reasons or none.

Lutzie, GC, I've not really got the feeling that (see, we're going on FEELINGS now more than what "facts" we have! Agh!) Melissa turned on her crew, and if she did it was certainly not willingly. Our first monologue Melissa sounded lost, confused, and worried about her crew. Unless she had AI amnesia (which isn't impossible in this weirdness), I doubt she intentionally slaughtered everybody.

It is tantalizing to assume that she might've went "Hey, let's try this cool new slipspace technique!" and everyone else didn't make it, and the AIs got warped here into our network. Cause of the artifact, or something else, Castaway tampering, Flea tampering, Melissa rampant, who knows! I'm getting irritated, I might go away for a while and think quietly away from the screen. We've got a lot to go on, but none of it seems to go "anywhere," in particular. Need Dana contact. Need SP. Farewell, don't give up! *goes to hit something*

[GaUDeNTiUs]

A couple of things from "The Flood" that I had always wondered about after I read it. Guilty Spark 343 called MC 'The Reclaimer'. On the way to activating Halo, MC finds another Marine pretty much dead and torn up. 343 says that was the 'Other Reclaimer'.

343 also says that MC's armor only classifies as a level 2 type of skin(?) and that he would fare much better with a level 12.

Cortana notes that after tearing apart the Covenent AI of the 'Ascendant Justice', that its programming is familiar but can't place the reason as to why.

Could it be possible that Humanity is the Forerunner somehow in it's infancy and the Covenant know that?

GD

[Knight Hawk]

Great spec princey.

Let me expound on that a little bit.

What if the "artifact" being of the forerunner quality contained coordinates, and what if the coordinates seemed to be similar to coordinates used in Slipstream space travel, but also transported Melissa's ship in the space time continuum.

Really wild spec coming up:

What if the ship Melissa was on couldn't handle the strain of traveling through time and broke apart and the point in time it broke apart in was our current time?

I have to agree with you on Halo, after finishing the game I went out and bought the novels. The story is really compelling, and though with Halo all we get is barely an introduction to the complete storyline, just the tiny snippet we get in the game itself is compelling enough to make me sit down and try to beat the game in a couple of days.

[princeofthesword]

GaUDeNTiUs, yep, it's entirely possible. Might even be what the "Truth" the Flea is searching for really is (my pet theory at the moment, though, so I agree though we may be totally wrong). No one knows our relationship to the Forerunner though *if there's really one at all?* So at this point, any guess is as good as another!

Thanks, Knight Hawk, and I addressed your post here and on the "Who is the Boy AI character?" page together, to uh, save space? Something I'm not good at. Great post! Farewell.

[Lutzie]

[GunsmithCat]

Well if you were the head of a religious hegemony that used the power of another culture's artifacts as your source of power, and then suddenly discovered that culture had some descendants running around ... you might think they could usurp your power.

Not to annoy jesus types out there, but it would go something like:

High Priest: I spoke to God he says listen to me!
Crowd: OK
Glowing guy in corner: Dude, I'm son of God and he says that guy is lying.
Crowd: *beats up high priest*

_{brought to you by the alien dog theatre group.}


And I've gotten the same feeling - that Melissa iced her crew. I've got NOTHING to back that up with, not even vague reference points or misguided Halo connections. Just something about the way she talks. Dark. Angry. Cumulating to violence. Might have just been an ex-girlfriend though.

[The_Ear]

Ok, I'll probably get trouted for this, but that's ok...

Going back to something that GunsmithCat said a few weeks ago, he was highlighting the link between the Legend of Comatas and The Sleeping Princess, or rather, their similarity.

After a restless night's (lack) of sleep I decided to check over the myth again. I guess fatigues plays funny tricks on you, but I pretty much sat glued reading over the reasons why Comatas the goat herder was imprisoned. He was imprisoned for sacrificing his masters goats to the muses in a display of devotion. Now I know there are other threads that state that Dana emphatically noted that the legend was on the site before the hacking attempt, but then again, so was the notice on varrao mites and quite a few other references that were incorporated into the game at this present point.

That's off track, sorry. So, we have the SP trapped in this casket, then what are the other characters in the myth that can be substituted for the characters of the SP's world? Chances are the Flea is the bees sent by the muses to feed the SP.. though that's a tad wild. The Operator's role, however, is most likely the Goatherder. Thus, we find that the Operator has locked down the Princess in the airtight container for sacrificing her goats (whatever they could be.. data maybe? or even crew?) as punishment.

The problem is Comatas didn't dislike bees the same way as the SP loathes the Flea, and that also leaves the Widow out of the picture. Anyhow, this is pure left-field speculation at it's worst, but I can't help but have a bugging feeling that this has more to do with the princess' roots than mere casual acquaintence. Maybe someone else will want to run with this? (and before I get trouted, I'd just like to say I have searched, but found very little on the threads on any of this except links to soundfiles and embedded text on hte comatas.html page.... and two other references to this topic...)

[GunsmithCat]

[princeofthesword]

See you all later, be back soon!

[GunsmithCat]

My head has officially exploded after reading that link, prince

I'm not sure I agree with him on the 30 SPARTAN thing, but I do see his point.

And yeah, I guess we have evidence of time travel Doc Who would be proud of...

[Macavity]

[princeofthesword]

Bump for newcomers...

[princeofthesword]

Bumpity bump bump, bumpity bump bump, look at Specky go...

If you have a good Halo/ILB "let's tie them together!" spec, please place it here, in this thread. Save space folks, there's lots of nice stuff in here, too.

Above is my Halo resource links, for those of you that haven't played the games, read the books, etc. They're worth checking out, if you want to learn more about Haloverse in general, even if you're well-versed in the game itself.

As a spec, (since this is my last bump of this topic, it gets annoying) it should be noted (as I'm sure it is somewhere else in the forum) that UNSC ships cannot jump with pinpoint accuracy. The Apocalypso, from what I know so far, materialized within lunar orbit. That's pretty impressive for a human ship that would normally jump back into true space safely away from any gravity wells.

Covenant ships, however, can jump into systems directly, but only Cortana has ever jumped out of a planet's atmosphere (using Covenant technology, of course, but with a precision even they'd not yet achieved). Meaning, she jumped in/out directly within Threshold's gravity well. Just worth noting.

Second, Cole Protocol insists that even indirect routes to Earth are prohibited when under attack, etc. by Covenant forces or whatnot. First Strike shows us that ONI units frequently ignore this facet of the Protocol, jumping immediately to Earth to warn of Reach's fall. This is important because even though Cortana was made by Dr. Halsey, technically making her part of Section III, she never suggested jumping from Halo directly back to Earth. She was staunchly against such a thing, actually, though Lt. Haverson, ONI, was considering it. Just another interesting tidbit.

I used to think that Troy occurred before Reach, as shown in a post somewhere on this page, but now I'm not so sure. Again, in First Strike, HiCom was doing all in their power to keep the fall of Reach out of public eye, meaning the Inner Colonies and Earth itself wouldn't have known about it. In fact, as many have said before, Inner Colonists were led to believe that we are holding are own in the Covenant war.

There are two timelines of events going on, it seems. The events here, on ILB, and the events in the "future," which may or may not be occurring simultaneously. Sci-fi, you know what I mean. Deciphering the clues about the .wav storyline, such as when they occur in the Haloverse and "when" as related to ILB, is important. Many topics devoted to such, of course. My point is that Bungie leaves clues everywhere in their works, clues of a nature that don't reveal the entire story in one swoop, but things that usually make you go "Oh, yeaahhh....." once you see the end of the matter.

Sometimes, however, they can help you get a glimpse of where things are going, where they came from, and where the heck you are in the middle, before the End. Glimpses don't reveal a lot, but it's more than blindness. There's just too many tidbits being flung about for us not to have something to figure out.

Mission quest! Find out when Troy occurred, and if it was truly, thoroughly glassed. Everyone who left Reach assumed it was glassed, when in fact it was only partially glassed because the Covenant wanted the Forerunner artifact on the planet. To me, Forerunner suitcase floating randomly in space doesn't fit too well with the "typical" (hysterical laughter here) Haloplot. Questions, questions. More later, especially now that I'm in a friendlier mood. Farewell.

[devolver]

This is slight OT ( , but the question came to me while reading this thread, so here it goes: why is there an alliance between the Prophets and the Elites? Other posts have touched on this, as does the Halo library, but it doesn't seem to be explained anywhere.

I understand that the Prophets need the Elites for muscle, but why do the Elites need the Prophets? (I guess I'm assuming that, like the other "members" of the Covenant, they are different species from different planets.) Did the Elites just happen to worship the Forerunners as well, so they made an alliance with the Prophets simply because the Prophets seem to know a lot about the Forerunners? This seems a bit coincidental, since--I could be wrong here--but it's implied that the rest of the Covenant forces (with the possible exception of Brutes) are not exactly willing members. And, hence, may not care at all about the Forerunners. (After all, only the Elites have forerunner symbols on their armor.)

This is not phrased very well, but I was hoping someone could shed some light on this for me. And apologies in advance if I'm missing something obvious, but it's been a long day and brain no work well.