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[GunsmithCat]

[jegger]

[Dorkmaster]

*quickly removes finger from nose*

Uh- yeah. What jegger said.

[GunsmithCat]

[sfsdfd]

[thebruce]

[BoonIsha]

David,

A few things.

1)It WOULD be more difficult to rely on even sixty or so people to show up to the sites...too many unkowns. lets say one has a car crash. or lets say they are five minutes late, they sleep in, their mom dies and they have a funeral to go to. the fact is, at a radio station, there would still be a commercial schedule, and they would still play the ad...while if a person had an emergency, it would be EXTREMELY difficult to implement a backup plan.

2)You contradict yourself. First you talk about perfect precision within a five foot radius. Well, you would have to tote along a very expensive toy to do this. I dont have a gps device at all, much less one that is accurate to within six decimal. But you dont even want to tote along a pocket FM reciever...much too hard to do.

3)You may be correct that it is rude for gunsmith to ask you to leave, but many of your posts have been seemingly targeted at him and very nearly calling him ignorant. Both of you have attacked each other here, and this helps not at all. Try constructive criticism instead of destructive pessimism.

4)It doesnt hurt to check out all aspects of a SPEC. you see some very basic problems with this spec...thats ok. you dont have to waste your time trying to prove them. thats fine. But it is also important to understand that not all people think alike. If i'm not mistaken nobody on here, not me, not you, not gunsmith, nobody has solved this one yet, and nobody even has a clue about whats going on yet. we dont know what the PMs intend, so its not prudent to just start axing answers when we dont even know the question yet.

But please, continue discussing this, you have had some very valid points that have prodded me to look in other directions.

I am hoping that you and gunsmith can call a ceasefire and try to work on this together, or at least work in peace.



boon

[GunsmithCat]

[Extrasonic]

<shameless plug>

sfsdfd, and anyone else who is counting on a physical event to occur at these coordinates, please read this post:

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=56551#56551

Think about it seriously, and then come back here if you still want to argue that physical interaction at these exact locations and times is the easiest and most likely justification for what's on links.html.

</shameless plug>

I'm not arguing for or against a radio-based spec - in fact, although I was one of the original people to add to the speculation about this, I think it's unlikely - but at this point I'm firmly in the "anything but physical interaction" camp.

Also, as a parting thought -

We have proof (the phase 3 monologue - when/if the Wiki ever works again - and the fact that the coordinates are labelled TRANSMIT in the HTML source of links.html) that Melissa wants to make a transmission.

We have no proof that Melissa, The Pious Flea, or the dearly departed SPDR knows that any human being in particular (besides Dana) exists. General consensus is that the SPDR generated the first iteration of the coordinates (since The Sleeping Princess told us so in her 8/13 e-mail) and the latest coordinates are from The Queen, possibly under the influence of The Pious Flea.

So, from an in-game perspective - unless you believe that The Sleeping Princess wrote and revised the coordinates - the best that anyone who is physically going to these locations at the specified times can hope for is passive observation, since all of other characters who could have added the coordinates to links.html have demonstrated absolutely no knowledge that any of us exist and therefore their motive could not possibly be for us to attend. And since all of the characters that could have authored the coordinate list exist in a virtual world, what do we expect to be able to observe?

I'll reiterate my belief that the coordinates (or the physical locations they correspond to) either represent a code/pattern we haven't broken/spotted, or that they are clues to a puzzle we'll get on Tuesday. Very little else makes in-game sense and is plausible from a meta perspective.

[Shad0]

It's fun watching lawyers argue!

[Dorkmaster]

Extrasonic, I respect you for posting, once again, a well constructed piece of thought provoking crap. (just kidding, it was just too good of a sentence to ignore... Sorry...) No, it's good, and the only hole I can poke in your thought balloon here is this:

Why can't we get a phone call? Why can't we go to these locations, and see, with Melissa trying to gain a voice (not symbolic, but an actual voice), and with her seeking the truth, since the flea is tilting her motivations truthwards, a phone ringing? And why would these events have to be so common? Because whatever puzzle occurs because of these events would be more difficult?!? No, I have to humbly disregard your theory for the phone theory because it is the only in-game working theory that incorporates all that we know about this puzzle.

(1) is using GPS points that tend towards a real physical location, as opposed to any other means.

(2) Melissa is seeking and developing an audible voice.

(3) Meta-wise, a phone call is not too costly to be prohibitive, could fit with the previous two statements, and would line up with the three/four minute increment theory.

(4) This would not be passive if, indeed, as I suspect, there are puzzle pieces in these conversations that occur at these sites.

(5) Cuz it would just be plain old cool, and no marketing is good without that.

Once again, GunsmithCat, I have derailed one of your threads trying to argue with someone off-topic. I sincerely apologize. I also see no problem with the radio theory (it is less likely, but not without merits, IMO...) as it fits the statements above as well. Sorry again, and have a good thread!

[GunsmithCat]

That's why it seems most (all?) theories are still missing crucial data. Like we need the Queen to do another scrub (sorry, I mean the PMs to make more mistakes) (sorry, sorry, will try to behave).

The payphone theory is totally possible, and even follows much of the same logic as a radio theory - but clearly needs the locations of payphone to match up with some coords.

I'd argue the radio theory makes more sense because it would reach more people and is easier for people to get - but clearly need some frequencies or else it's kaputz.

[GunsmithCat]

[Extrasonic]

[sfsdfd]