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[PUZZLE] Axons: Brainstorming
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Doppelganger-X4
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JPass is a good resource for exploring Another_Chooch's hypothesis--maybe a certain satellite is scheduled to fly over each of these points at the given time, I don't know. I'm checking out a few of the coordinates now.

In the meantime, anyone think the coordinates have anything to do with radio telescopes?

It's unlikely that Melissa would be looking for them in densely populated areas, but if the current train of thought is going in the right direction, they're exactly the kind of thing she'd be looking for. Besides, I hear a bunch of them use GPS for calibration...

Not sure where that's going, but hey.

[edit] I've plotted ten or eleven points on JPass and there doesn't seem to be any strong correlation between the coordinates and any specific satellite. Hubble, SEASAT I and the International Space Station occasionally come alarmingly close, but they all drift off as you go down the list. Furthermore, none of the satellites should be visible during the times given since all of them appear to be after sunrise and before sunset.

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Aelith wrote:
It's 12:55am and I get out of bed because I've had a brainstorm, ok?

The problem with the scouting already done is people had the whole 360 degrees of unfocus senery to view. Also we seen to have droped the pairs setup in current calculations.

What would happen if you used the direction of the next spot as and indication of where to focus your attention. First person in DC looks ENE towards Cleveland. Cleveland looks towards DC.

Every body find a compus!



Or maybe the times given are supposed to be the direction you face. If north is 12 o'clock then 6:07 would be slightly west of south. Of course there's no IG evidence to back this up, just wildly SPECing here.

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FYI - if this helps, I've got a coordinate plotter made which displays the current coords from the site, and visibly rotates through them in order.
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thebruce wrote:
FYI - if this helps, I've got a coordinate plotter made which displays the current coords from the site, and visibly rotates through them in order.


Two notes. There are some eronious points, don't know if its a software bug or errors in your data. Also, you have the coordinates the wrong way round (what is your north is actualy west, your south is actualy east)

Good work though, I'm gonna stare at it for a while untill it makes sense ;

EDIT: the first column (the north coordinates) should all be positive, you have negitived some
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just did my own graphing proggy for em...
heres the results:

if anyone wants a copy, let me know..it can do just points or it can connect lines in the given order. also, it reads the coordinates in from a text file, so if they change, it should be really easy for us to modify...if you want it, lemme know and i will post a link for download

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Since this thread is on BRAINstorming, I figure it's as good a place as any for my random thoughts...

Keying on the word "axon", I have been thinking about what the coordinates could symbolize. I know the definition has been posted before, but just to lead off on my theory, here it is again:

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Axon: The axon is usually the longest fiber or fibers projecting from the cell body. The axon directs electrical information away from the cell, performing the "output" function for the neuron.


Now this certainly makes sense if the Queen is building a nervous system. By taking the brain metaphor a little further, I can even see how the changing coordinates can make sense. In the brain, structures change over time - those sections that are used more develop larger pathways or connections - along the lines of a path that is often trodden becoming larger and more defined.

Could it be that these positions have been changed in reaction to our input ("why would there be a coordinate in the ocean"), or in response to the Queen's findings at the position ("there was nothing of interest, the coordinate gets dropped - there was something of interest, the coordinate remains, or becomes more accurate") along the lines of brain structures?

There is a representation of this kind of growth, called the rhizome, which is a visualization of the paths between parts of the brain. When watching the coordinate plotter lighting up, it reminded me of this kind of a display. In fact, the proximity of points, and the way the "signal" seems to jump between close points definitely is reminiscent of an impulse jumping from an axon (a long road) across a synapse (a short, empty space), to the next dendrite and so on.

Of course after just reading the thread on hidden messages in sound files, it seems like if you listen to (or stare at) something long enough, phantom patterns start to appear. Basically, I am looking for a sanity check - does any of this make sense?

-Holden

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Holden your sanity is safe. However, I just don't think that we have enough info right now to accurately tell what the dang coordinates are about yet. Hopefully tomorrow's update will enlighten us. But maybe not. I think the PMs are enjoying our tortureous wait since that means we really care about this game... so I also wouldn't be surprised to see dana's blog or a SP email that says "Wow, I can't wait" or something as trivial as that... Wink But we'll see. But your thoughts are definitely solid, and make complete sense, and I see what you're saying, but there's just nowhere to go after that thought, ya know?
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BoonIsha, I would very much like a link to that program.

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boonisha, flip the x coordinates, you're looking at the mirror image of the US Wink

My plotter would do lines, but it's a web based simplified one that's mainly intended to be a chronological plotting of points... did in under an hour, during work hours Razz if I had time I'd find a way to be able to make lines between points... ah well. (tis in my sig)
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Doppelganger-X4 wrote:


[edit] I've plotted ten or eleven points on JPass and there doesn't seem to be any strong correlation between the coordinates and any specific satellite. Hubble, SEASAT I and the International Space Station occasionally come alarmingly close, but they all drift off as you go down the list. Furthermore, none of the satellites should be visible during the times given since all of them appear to be after sunrise and before sunset.


That's cool, thanks for checking, I finally had a chance and I agree with your assessment. Well I am all out of ideas, I am just hoping that there is an update tomorrow which gives us a good two handed shove in the right direction.

Again thanks for the help,

Chooch
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Re: another view of Dana's blog

sherpa wrote:

The IP theory is an interesting one, but there just seems to be too much uncertainty in how one would convert these numbers (or pairs) to IP addresses. Still, I may have a look at that.


I wonder if we've given up too quickly on the possibility of the axon number pairs being IP addresses? There's one easy way to transform supposed "coordinates" to addresses. Each of the four number groups in an IP address is actually mod 256. That is, 192.168.1.1 is the same as 192.168.1.257 or 192.168.1.513. In the old days Internet Explorer used to correct this for you if you typed directly in the Address bar, though my current version doesn't seem to anymore.

sherpa wrote:

Any other ways that these numbers could be unrelated to the GPS co-ordinates we think they represent?


Phone numbers, though I don't see how immediately.

Whatever "decoding" method we try on these pairs of numbers, remember that it has to make sense for both the numbers the Widow created and also the ones the Queen created later on, which have extra digits in each one. The Widow may have built roads to the wrong place but she still built valid roads, so they must follow the same decoding pattern.

-JT

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The IP address thing makes some sense, btoh in game and from an implication standpoint. Have you check any adresses to see where they go, or is there a chart somewhere with the GPS coordinates converted to IP's?

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I'm pretty sure some of the numbers are meant to represent GPS coordinates. It'd be quite a coincidence that these numbers were IP addresses that happened also to point at famous places like the San Diego Zoo and the Smithsonian Natural History Museum.

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[SPEC] 8/13 SP caps and Axons

Is there anything to the 3 capitalized phrases in the 8/13 email? I'm specing that it could be SP giving us a hint about the Axons, since she's directly referring to them in the content:

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I was surprised when the Queen sent her away, but Her Majesty DOES have a temper, and the Widow had been making a lot of mistakes... For days the Queen has been ordering her to build the most extraordinary number of little roads out from the castle. Turns out she was very particular about where she wanted them to go: more particular than the Widow understood. Widow hears, "Build a road," she just starts shoveling... She kept getting into fights with the Flea, when she could SEE him riding around up there on the Queen's shoulder, proud as a lord. The last time they quarreled, the Queen had just discovered the Widow had built one path mindlessly straight INTO THE SEA.


DOES, SEE, and INTO THE SEA are all capitalized, and these are the only words I think SP has ever capitalized - and she just learned how to talk. I find that unusual. But what could it mean?

Don't think they acronymize - it's fairly long. But combined they say DOES SEE INTO THE SEA, which makes some sense. It would make the most sense for the connect-the-dots theory, but I think that's been fairly debunked.

Just Brainstorming. I feel like we've got more information then we've realized yet and this seems the most straightforward place for it - the last update, a friendly helper, talking about the axons. But I don't have a good idea how it ties together, if it does at all.

Does see into the sea.

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Ghost, if there was some significance to the capitalized words, I'd think it'd be a little more obvious. To me it sounds like she's just emphasizing the words to emphasize the disgust and frustration she feels about the Widow's ineptitude.

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