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[TRAILHEAD?] The Citizens of Virtue
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pko
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Another gem angle

Revelation 21:19b-20: (Referring to heaven's foundations) "The first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third chalcedony, the fourth emerald, the fifth sardonyx, the sixth carnelian, the seventh chrysolite, the eight beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst."

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Mochi
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Just a note to save you guys some time. I tried to order the bracelet with every combination of metal and gem, but each went to a page saying the item was not yet available.

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thebruce
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based on the order of the hoshen page, my gems are setup:
Code:
Jasper     Topaz    Emerald
Turquoise  Sapphire Onyx
Jacinth    Agate    Amethyst
Chrysolite Beryl    Ruby


not finding much commonality etween numbers sets and the Gareth grid...
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Projectyl
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Bingo, pko! Look up that same verse in TNIV, and it matches our set of stones exactly:

The first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald, the fifth onyx, the sixth ruby, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth turquoise, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst.

ETA: So that puts the pairs in this order:

2 Peter 1:21 Prophecy never had its origin in the human will
Mark 4:22 Whatever is hidden is meant to be disclosed

Psalm 38:18 I confess my iniquity; I am troubled by my sin
Job 12:16 To him belong strength and insight

Job 39:29 His eyes detect it from afar
Job 11:4 My beliefs are flawless and I am pure in your sight

Psalm 139:2 You perceive my thoughts from afar
Psalm 25:14 The Lord confides in those who fear him

1 Corinthians 12:7 The manifestation of the Spirit is given
Hebrews 4:13 Everything is uncovered and laid bare

Ecclesiastes 8:17 No one can discover its meaning
Psalm 34:8 See that the Lord is good

Numbers 14:17 Now may the Lord's strength be displayed
Proverbs 20:15 Lips that speak knowledge are a rare jewel

Ephesians 5:13 Everything that is illuminated becomes a light
Exodus 33:18 Now show me your glory

Ephesians 5:13 Everything exposed by the light becomes visible
Ephesians 1:18 The eyes of your heart may be enlightened

Job 34:4 Let us discern for ourselves what is right
Ezekiel 12:23 Every vision will be fulfilled

Proverbs 25:16 If you find honey, eat just enough
Psalm 55:15 Let death take my enemies by surprise

(Many, all in Jeremiah) The days are coming, declares the Lord
John 13:7 You do not realize now what I am doing

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thebruce
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aye, and here's my ordering with some additional notes...
took the book position in the bible (overall, and per testament) and indexed to the letter in the phrases. Didn't produce anything yet though

Code:
...........................................................................................
2 Peter 1:21       61/22 Jasper     R Prophecy never had its o(R)igin in the human will
Mark 4:22          41/2  Jasper     H W(H)atever is hidden is meant to be disclosed
Psalm 38:18        19    Sapphire   I I confess my iniquity; (I) am troubled by my sin
Job 12:16          18    Sapphire   T To him belong streng(T)h and insight
Job 39:29          18    Agate      O His eyes detect it fr(O)m afar
Job 11:4           18    Agate      E My beliefs are flawl(E)ss and I am pure in your sight
Psalm 139:2        19    Emerald    H You perceive my thoug(H)ts from afar
Psalm 25:14        19    Emerald    H The Lord confides In t(H)ose who fear him
1 Corinthians 12:7 46/7  Onyx       I The man(I)festation of the Spirit is given
Hebrews 4:13       58/19 Onyx       R Everything is uncove(R)ed and laid bare
Ecclesiastes 8:17  21    Ruby       E No one can discover its m(E)aning
Psalm 34:8         19    Ruby       O See that the Lord is go(O)d
Numbers 14:17      4     Chrysolite M Now (M)ay the Lord's strength be displayed
Proverbs 20:15     20    Chrysolite D Lips that speak knowle(D)ge are a rare jewel
Ephesians 5:13     49/10 Beryl      G Everythin(G) that is illuminated becomes a light
Exodus 33:18       2     Beryl      O N(O)w show me your glory
Ephesians 5:13     49/10 Topaz      G Everythin(G) exposed by the light becomes visible
Ephesians 1:18     49/10 Topaz      Y The eyes Of (Y)our heart may be enlightened
Job 34:4           18    Turquoise  R Let us discern for ou(R)selves what is right
Ezekiel 12:23      26    Turquoise  D Every vision will be fulfille(D)
Proverbs 25:16     20    Jacinth    S If you find honey, eat ju(S)t enough
Psalm 55:15        19    Jacinth    I Let death take my enem(I)es by surprise
(Jeremiah)         24    Amethyst   S The days are coming, declare(S) the Lord
John 13:7          43/4  Amethyst   D You (D)do not realize now what I am doing


since jeremiah can't be narrowed to chapter/verse, I'm fairly confident it's the book that's important in some way.

the gareth grid is 15x59
there are 66 books, or 39/27

numbers aren't easily indicating apattern...
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pko
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"The days are coming, declares the Lord"

There are two other places in the TNIV where this phrase is also found:
Amos 9:13
Hebrews 8:8

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Donimo
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Random notes

There are lots of numbers in the Humility video. I was thinking they might be indexes, but I don't know how to order the ones said with the ones displayed on the TV. Besides the ones displayed, I hear the VSN woman say these numbers in this order:
3 easy payments of 99.99
14 kt. gold
23 left
3 easy payments of 99.99
10 for her bridesmaids
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The Humility video contains the usual CoV number at the end, but the one shown earlier on the VSN (Vanity Shopping Network) is one digit different. I think this matches the number the girl in the video calls. It's 1-888-645-4788

When I call this number the message I get is: "The service you requested is unavailable from your call area SBN98". But the voice reminds me of the voice from the CoV line.

A few times I called I got a very differene message, and I convinced myself that the message had changed, but I've got the first message many many times in a row now, so maybe I was repeatedly misdiaing. If someone calls and gets something else, let us know.
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thebruce wrote:
* at the end, "R OR A" is blanked from the gold bracelet row

I didn't notice the "or" and saw only "RA". Since it's with the gold bracelet, maybe it means "AURA".
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Gareth Blayne, the designer of the bracelets, has a letter on The Lord's Due saying that his wife died November 7, 2007 and mentions the anniversary of her death (which will be this Friday).

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pko
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VSN phone #

I just called the VSN phone # from the Humility video. It said something to the effect that calls are $5.49 and to call "10-10-15-8000" and calls will show up as made to Nevada. It referenced a website "callingten.com" (which appears legitimate), email "serviceSPLATcallingten.com", an information phone number of 702-555-1212, and an 800 number of 1-800-712-3000. I haven't tried these phone numbers.

Also, as the girl is flipping channels at the very beginning of the video, the voices say something like: "here's Roseph and we're waiting for Cheryl" (channel changes) "sock (?) these important genetic clues."

Can anyone make these out any better? Hear any clues?

(Edit: just googled "calling ten" and it's a scam to charge $5.49 to your phone bill just for calling them...so don't!)

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Donimo
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Message in Gareth Blayne bio:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Sliding the left half of the text down (at the line down center) and reading every other word down spells:
"twenty five pair twisted cable color code"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25-pair_color_code

Dunno if it relates to the stones since there are 25 pairs and only 10 colors.

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Donimo
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Re: VSN phone #

pko wrote:
I just called the VSN phone # from the Humility video. It said something to the effect that calls are $5.49 and to call "10-10-15-8000" and calls will show up as made to Nevada. It referenced a website "callingten.com" (which appears legitimate), email "serviceSPLATcallingten.com", an information phone number of 702-555-1212, and an 800 number of 1-800-712-3000. I haven't tried these phone numbers.


Yes! This is the other message I got! Apparently the message changes. I called many, many times and got only the message I mentioned, so I convinced myself I was mistaken. I'm not sure how you get the second message. I can't tell if calling10.com (either URL works) is legitimate or not. But it's has a reverse-lookup service, so maybe that's what we need.

pko wrote:
Also, as the girl is flipping channels at the very beginning of the video, the voices say something like: "here's Roseph and we're waiting for Cheryl" (channel changes) "sock (?) these important genetic clues."

Can anyone make these out any better? Hear any clues?

I can't make out the first voice at all, but I think where you have "sock" might be "unlock". Maybe this is pointing to the twisted-pair stuff found in the Gareth Blayne bio?

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Projectyl
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NICE find, Donimo! Take a look at the pictures of the bracelets with the yarn; those use the code. Take the pairs' values and read them as 1=A, 2=B, etc., and you get:

Code:
K E
A A
M L

C O
W S
O T

R D
O B
L R

E L
C E
A T


Read clockwise around each bracelet, starting at the bottom, to get MAKE A LOW-COST LORD BRACELET. (I'm guessing we still need to find the message in the inscriptions to know what to do with said bracelet.)

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thebruce
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Donimo! You rock!

the 25 color code matches the colours of the bracelets on the order page...

going from bottom left up and top right down for each bracelet, the values create:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
MAKE A LOW COST BRACELET


eta: projectyl, how the crap did you get that post in? Razz it didn't say there was an overlap... ah well. yeah, so what now?

the html source on the order page doesn't actually submit anything...
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Projectyl
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Donimo: Maybe "AU R OR A", not just "AU RA"?

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dal
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The inscriptions give a message.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Indexing using the foundation numbers into the inscriptions in order spells out POSTAPICONMYFACEBOOKWALL.


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Projectyl
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That N's an I, I think, to make
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
"POST A PIC ON MY FACEBOOK WALL."


So, who wants to make a cheap LORD bracelet and take a pic? Very Happy

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