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[39C] The 39 Clues

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katsmom
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Re: card
bug cam

aliceinwunderland wrote:

I recall that someone (katsmom, perhaps?) theorized that the more people that use your code, the greater advantage you gain, so she has launched a campaign to get folks to share their codes. Are you suggesting something more specific than that? Maybe there is a way to use the surveillance cameras to gain additional info when it has been shared out? That would be a little scary if by my loading all those codes, it gives other players insight into what I am doing. Exclamation

That's me, I've posted requests for shared codes on 4 or 5 different websites. I'm not getting much back. I don't think people realize they can share the codes! My opinion is that Scholastic didn't do a good job of highlighting this fact. This is the reason I think they can only be used once but that we will need many of them. Think about it, if Scholastic made front page newspaper ads that say "pass around the camera code" some people would have hundreds of them and it would make the game a whole lot easier. I think by only putting it on the card in small print it allows for the "true" slueths and determined to fully participate in the game.

I have a theory (and it is only a theory) that maybe later in the game we can use the surveillance cards to get into other branches secret files/archives, or that if we combine them with other cards, they may open another file/card/information page for us.

By my count, we should have 32 codes now. The danger is that people from those web forums I've posted on can do a search and find all that we've collected and use them without sharing theirs. It's a risk, but again, my thoughts are the more we have the better.

And Aliceinwunderland, I'll get on the Mr. Bungle thing early next week. I've still got around 6 thesis to get through before Tuesday. It's bad enough when the students speak English as a first language, when it is a second language, it's torture Rolling Eyes

As for cards 408, 409, and 412 I've given up searching for a while. I've exhausted every idea that I've had. All for nothing. If anyone has an idea on a search string, send it to me. I'm a great researcher and can often come up with information, but I have to admit, this one has beaten me. If anyone has information on where scholastic gave out the codes/cards it might help. The times idea that someone posted round about page 38 helped more than you can imagine in finding card 411. I've gone through everything I can think of for Walmart UK, Waterstones, and Meijer but keep coming up empty. (Didn't the bruce say he bought cards from Meijer and found nothing?) I'm still thinking Singapore and Malaysia may be contenders for the extra cards. I've found a few posts about this coming out of India, but they aren't eligable for prizes either, so I am ruling that country out.

With that, all of Scholastic's press releases says this will be "worldwide" before the end of hte competition, so it is possible they haven't released the cards yet.

And, if someone would be feeling extra nice, a readable copy of the front of the cards for the 400's would be greatly appreciated! Like I've said before, the game isn't being advertised here, and I have the feeling that I might have to do the Amazon thing for the next few books if the piles in the bookstores are any indication of the popularity of it here.

Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:02 pm

katsmom
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39 clues map

When I click on the link for Maggie's map, I just get a blank page. Is there a reason for this? Do I need to be invited? Or does my computer not recognize this for some reason? Can someone post the link again for me?

Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:29 pm

aliceinwunderland
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Re: 39 clues map

katsmom wrote:

That happened to me with the first link. Try this: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=us&ptab=2&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=100939032829642151774.00045ad20f12027633f02

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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:52 pm
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katsmom
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Thanks, I can see it now!

Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:20 am

aliceinwunderland
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Disco Volante on Hidden Notes
card #11

katsmom wrote:

I'll get on the Mr. Bungle thing early next week.

I don't really expect that to come to anything. I was more lamenting that there didn't appear to be any leads on the Disco Volante being a real place in Venice if Mr. Bungle looked like the best lead. I did have a thought that perhaps it was a fav band of Rick Riordan or something. He used to play in a band in college, he used to live in California. Pretty weak links...
I did discover that there is a pizza place in Venice that makes a pizza they call the Disco Volante.

While I am here... I saw something unusual about the back of card #11, so I looked a little more closely. Others have mentioned they noticed characters in the background of other pics on cards. With this card, it looks like the window of the music store is reflecting someone across the street perhaps. I haven't tried putting on my glasses, so I can't make out who it might be. I suspect maybe the Kabra girl. Anyone else see anything?

I noticed something else. The page you get when you solve card #11, http://www.the39clues.com/cahillweb/article/11-rembrandtrsquos-secret lists 3 proposed designs for the new Janus Italian HQ. Did anyone else think that the 2nd option looked similar to Monticello? It doesn't have a sky dome like Monticello, though. I wonder if it means anything.

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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:45 am

wacaga
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Re: card
bug cam

[quote="katsmom"][quote="aliceinwunderland"]

As for cards 408, 409, and 412 I've given up searching for a while. I've exhausted every idea that I've had. All for nothing. If anyone has an idea on a search string, send it to me. I'm a great researcher and can often come up with information, but I have to admit, this one has beaten me.
1. 408 is a Meijer Card. A grocery chain found in US states Ind, Ill, Ky, & Home Based in Michigan. To me it's looks like a small time Walmart. To us, it follows the pattern of (2)405, 406, 407 which are Physical. So maybe Physical. But Scholastic, at this point, has not been very predicable on these Promos. Leaning US Pysical. 2. 409 appears to be a twin of 404 (a Virtual) from Angus Robertson (Austrailia). We can only speculate what might occur at this time. We're guessing Austrailia will provide the card. Physical/Virtual, who knows! 3. 412, this 1 follows the path of 403, 414, but I have no idea where it might end up. 403 (book fair US), 414 (misprinrt 403 from Angus Robertson). I'm stumped, just like you, and the rest of us. Anybody have anythng to add?

Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:33 am

dragongirl76
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Re: Disco Volante on Hidden Notes
card #11

aliceinwunderland wrote:

katsmom wrote:

I'll get on the Mr. Bungle thing early next week.

Mr bungle good punk band I have several of their Cd's, but seeing as how most of their lyrics are not meant for children I don't think it would lead to anything. As for the reflection on the back of card #11 its a gondola

Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 3:07 am

katsmom
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getting surveillance codes

It just dawned on me that I belong to a teaching group. I completely forgot about this because I haven't been with primaries in around 5 years. I just made a post to the board in hopes of getting more codes. Maybe they will be able to help with the missing card numbers. Fingers crossed.

I've just looked at card 11. It says Janus on the bottom, but if you look carefully at the Right, just between the e and hte space ship, you an see a Thomas crest.

Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:34 am

aliceinwunderland
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Re: Disco Volante on Hidden Notes
card #11

dragongirl76 wrote:

As for the reflection on the back of card #11 its a gondola

At first, I thought you were using a term like "red herring" or something that I didn't know. Then I thought of a gondola like they use on a skyride to the top of a mountain. Nope this is Venice! Embarassed

Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:11 pm

aliceinwunderland
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More card #11

katsmom wrote:

I've just looked at card 11. It says Janus on the bottom, but if you look carefully at the Right, just between the e and the space ship, you can see a Thomas crest.

If I am looking at the same thing, it looks like a Janus crest to me. It does look a little blue. It is very faint, but the head on the crest looks to be facing to the right (like Janus) not left (like Tomas). The shape even looks more Janus-like.

I dug out my glasses to see if I could make out anything else -- no luck. It is difficult to discern what is inside the store and what is a reflection. Since the Disco Volante does not seem to be a real place, I was hoping to find a landmark in the reflection to place it. Are the canals of Venice all over, or just in a certain section? If you look just behind the head of the gondalier, there is a large oddly shaped black thing. I think it is in the reflection. Any ideas what that might be? And doesn't it look like the passengers in the gondola are looking right at the store -- as if they might have it under surveillance? Look slike they are wearing red -- could be Lucians.

Another thing that I was curious about -- the red and white striped pole in the foreground. So, I googled it. I found this on funtrivia.com:

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Why are the gondola mooring poles in Venice painted with red and white spiral stripes like the barbershop symbol?
originally the colored stripes on the mooring pole represented the family that owned it, and the gondoliers wore corresponding shirt colors. Like having your own private parking place. Standardization laws have since consolidated them

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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:40 pm
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dragongirl76
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disco

I'm surprised that your didn't gets these results when you googled disco volante
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disco_Volante_(ship)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disco_Volante_(disambiguation)
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/550/Alfa-Romeo-C52-Disco-Volante-Spider.html

Edit: urls modified. phpbb hates the parentheses in urls ~sapagoo

Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 3:30 pm

aliceinwunderland
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Re: disco

dragongirl76 wrote:

I'm surprised that you didn't gets these results when you googled disco volante
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disco_Volante_(ship)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disco_Volante_(disambiguation)
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/550/Alfa-Romeo-C52-Disco-Volante-Spider.html

I did not see those since in my search strings I always included "+venice". Recall I was trying to determine if there is an actual music store in Venice with that name. I only got the Mr Bungle hit when I followed a link from another page.

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The hits I get with "disco volante" +venice are either related to a 1964 movie or an Alfa Romeo sports car. So I switched to +venice +"disco volante" bottega della musica. The hit that looked most interesting was related to a 90's California band named Mr. Bungle.

Since there does not appear to be a real store in Venice called "Disco Volante", that piques my curiosity even further. However, it is probably pre-mature to be so interested in where the game may lead in Venice. I think that Vienna should be where we focus our attention. Don't we know the next book starts in Vienna?

Perhaps we should be focusing on the card that has some Vienna info associated with it -- card # 59 http://www.the39clues.com/cahillweb/article/59-grace-cahill. I found the geographic location of the map that Grace sketched on the napkin from Cafe Frauenhuber (which is a real location). Notice that Grace indicates that the Mozart grave at St Marx Cemetery is not his real grave. That got me to wondering where the real grave was. Note that Grace had apple strudel and coffee at the cafe that is quite a distance from the map location she sketched. That makes me think that the cafe is close to Mozart's real grave. There are several "gartens" (see Maggie's 39 clues map) along the route from St Marx and in the area surrounding the cafe. The real grave could be in one of those gardens. I find the entry in the journal about "The red petals looked lovely against the mud" to be quite odd -- must be important. Wink

Are there other cards with Vienna-related information?

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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:17 pm

aliceinwunderland
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Names of the Holts

I just noticed that many of the Holt names are Presidentially (if that is a word) related:
father: Eisenhower (as in Dwight D., 34th prez)
mother: Mary-Todd (as in wife of Lincoln, 16th prez)
son: Hamilton (as in Alexander, first United States Secretary of the Treasury)
twin daughters: Madison (as in James, 4th prez) and Reagan (as in Ronald, 40th prez)
dog: Arnold (as in Benedict?, considered by many to be the best general and most accomplished leader in the Continental Army)

I know, the dog doesn't really fit this analogy, if that's what you call it. Then again, I wonder if Arnold will somehow turn on the Holts. There must be some significance to the dog having the name of a traitor. Of course, there could be some other historical figure with the name Arnold that I have not thought of.

Another way to look at these names -- money! Eisenhower is on a $1 coin and dimes. Hamilton is on the $10 bill. Lincoln of course is on the penny and the $5 bill. Madison is on the $5,000 bill. In 2004, there was talk of putting Reagan on the $10, $20, half-dollar or on dimes, but I don't think anything ever came of it. Starting February 2007, the U.S. Mint began introducing a new dollar coin four times a year, one for each president of the United States.

In each of these, there is one name that doesn't fit (not counting Arnold). So, it got me wondering if there is some other way that the names are related. So, I did a search that included all those names and came up with this from a Jan 2008 radio show, Ring of Fire:

Quote:

RFK Jr. also invoked another famous presidential speech: "This is exactly the world that General Dwight Eisenhower warned us about in his farewell address to the nation in which he cautioned against the domination of our democracy by the Military-Industrial Complex.

"The U.S. traditionally was an isolationist nation." He explained further. "We focused on our own hemisphere, we focused on developing our economy, not policing the world. We were Anti-Imperialist, that was part of our tradition. "That was not just Jefferson, but it was Madison, Adams, Hamilton and all of them�This was an Anti-Imperialist nation!

That only gets 3 of the 5 names that are related to anti-imperialism. Reagan was definitely more imperialist than isolationist. I don't know about Lincoln, though.
Wow. This is really off-topic, but I found this interesting article in my search about a possible isolationist vs imperialist connection between the names. Here is a quote:

Quote:

one of the most common (and ignorant) indictments of the Iraq War, with angry critics of Bush policy emphatically insisting: "This is the first time in history we ever attacked any country that hadn't attacked us first." In fact, virtually all our major wars began without some clear-cut attack by the enemy on American soil: the French-and-Indian War, the Revolutionary War, the War of 1812, the Mexican War, the Spanish American War, World War I, Korea, Vietnam and the First Gulf War claimed a total of tens of thousands of American lives based on incidents or interests, but without any undeniable mass assault. In 230 years of history only the Civil War (where Lincoln cleverly lured Southern forces into the initial bombardment of federal property at Fort Sumter) and World War II (where Japan struck at precisely one of those outposts of empire in distant Hawaii that anti-imperialists often decry) commenced in response to enemy strikes.

And now I really must get started on my homework. Crying or Very sad

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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 5:59 pm

RUSTY96
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Card 11

Just to let everyone know,
It is the Janus Crest.
I have good eyesight and (I've forgotten who said it) it is facing different to be the Tomas Crest.
The blue tinge is above it.
Also, one person in the gondola is facing the shop.
RUSTY

Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:14 am

sapagoo
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Re: card
bug cam

katsmom wrote:

By my count, we should have 32 codes now.

I finally requested codes via mail, and got my shareable code back today.
23RGD7NDXX

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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:14 pm

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