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[TRAILHEAD?] The Citizens of Virtue
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worthy_m
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 		Each one of the descriptions in the store has an unusual capitilisation i.e. in the wrong place.

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The letters capitilised are

FTHHLMAIGWPEOCTODMDPFCPADDEYATSOMBLH

and just for completeness, if you include the capital at the beginning of each sentence

CFYTAHIHNLYMEACIGGDWNPEEBOGCNTYODDYMNDYPGFYCIPNAYDSDNEIYTAATBSPOTMEBNLKH


PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:16 pm
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Projectyl
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 		Oh, wow, nice spot! No wonder the press release and thank-you video for Gareth never went up: we missed an entire puzzle!

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
It's not just the initials that are important, it's the whole words. Say them aloud:

"Four This Heaven Hell Low Mine Aim Is Gear Wrath Plain Eye One Chew Too One Dare Mine Diss Pried Full Camp Pain And Dead Deck Eight You're Are Tee Street Oooh My Be Love Head"

"For the Seven: Hello. My name is Gareth Blayne. I want you to undermine this prideful campaign and dedicate your artistry to my beloved."

So someone who's got Gareth friended, make sure to let him know that low-cost bracelet is dedicated to Aurora.


PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:29 pm
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worthy_m
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 		Props to you again Projectyl - one day I might learn to see the answers to these puzzles!

PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:31 pm
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catherwood-offline
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worthy_m wrote:
Each one of the descriptions in the store...

What store? I've tried to refresh all of the pages under Virtual Shopping and I'm not seeing anything unusual. (Am I blind, or just cached? Could someone paste a link to the page? I'd like to see the puzzle before I read the spoilered answers) thanks

PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:36 pm
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Rich Reder
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 		Store
Go to Virtuous Shopping page, then click on name of each product for its description, Catherwood.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:41 pm
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worthy_m
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 		The Cafepress store - if you try to order a Tee shirt from the CoV site, it takes you to the cafepress store http://www.cafepress.com/shopvirtue

PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:42 pm
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catherwood-offline
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 		Re: Store
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Go to Virtuous Shopping page, then click on name of each product for its description.

Just to be clear, I click on "Virtuous Shopping" in the side menu and it takes me to http://www.citizensofvirtue.com/VirtuousShopping.aspx -- in no browser does clicking on a product name do anything. Clicking most of the "Order" buttons only go to the "not available at this time" page.

However, clicking on the "Order" button for the Citizens of Virtue Tee Shirt did open a new window (once I gave permission to my browser to open a new window -- that could have been the problem) and from http://www.cafepress.com/shopvirtue I could indeed get the descriptions. Man, that was tedious! Thanks for the helps, bless you all, and extra props to worthy_m for doing all that work!

(p.s. this guest-posting captcha took me 3 tries to figure out the letters, blah)

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CHClooknohands
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 		they were being really overt and obvious with this one... they had xander on facebook trying to lead us to the store and gareth blayne commented on savannah's facebook just out of the blue that "Just so you know, I didn't fool with the merchandise descriptions. If they've been fooled with at all." As if that isn't the most obvious hint ever... Can't believe we missed that one...

PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:55 am
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FractalP
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 		Absolutely magnificent solve guys, you should be proud! Very Happy Oh, and huzzah! The last Virtue should be up within a couple of hours!
Hmm, I'm just gonna toss out a few ideas for this/last weeks main puzzle. I'm not too sure the current idea of the adding-letters-and-anagramming way is the right way, but I won't go so far to slam it cos it has worked a bit. From what I can understand, we need to look at the set of names for each diligent job and somehow manage to find another name from that and put it in the "next link in the chain" box. I'll be looking into it now, but no promises...

PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:31 am
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catherwood
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CHClooknohands wrote:
maybe we should be working on the disciples puzzle a bit more since we have figured out all the current DI's and the WI for this week.

Myself, I see two possibilities: 1) we are supposed to find one answer by using cryptography on the information given 2) we are supposed to recognize a pattern and fill in the missing information for the next link in the chain
(I've unspoilered this bit, because it's not a solution)

I see other possibilities. I'm just thinking out loud here.

My first assumption was that they are giving us A->B->C and expecting us to figure out ->D. If B-to-C and C-to-D don't involve birthdates or slogans or emoticons, why is that info given to us for A? That's probably a point in favor of there being a cipher, using all of the columns of data somehow. Of course we've all observed that each and every disciple has a middle initial given, and quite a few of those names look rather awkward in spelling.

I also didn't want to assume that the rows are a definite chain, but rather a series of choices, Chinese-menu style. Start with a task in column A, but then the challenge is to pick the correct disciple from column B, not the one immediately to the right. There's a gap between the arrows that made me doubt it was a horizontal chain, but it could just be my browser's spacing.

One problem I see is that the final step should be clicking on the "Join the chain!" box, going to the form, and filling it in -- but the last field in that form requires us to pick "the next link in the chain" from a list which doesn't yet exist:
http://www.citizensofvirtue.com/ChainLinks.aspx -- still says "coming soon"

I also wondered if that form would be dependent on many of us signing each other up! Or somehow the last links in the chain are coming from the same set of disciples, that a task gets passed around in some way until the set in column A get assigned another task, to begin the cycle again.

PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:49 am
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ToddE
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 		Here's an idea I'm trying to work with for this week's virtue. There's a strong hint at poker here. Look at the sentence "Take the task off the hands of the person who has it currently, and then get it into the hands of someone else who can make sure it's in good hands."

Three uses of the word hands, plus the two poker hands in the video make me think perhaps we're making 5 card poker hands from each task. There are three disciples for each task, and we're told to add our name and then pass it to someone else. That would be five cards total.

Also, the message from the video PAGES TITLE made me think of the book written by the Pastor, which is entitled God's Hand. Coincidence? Hmmm.

That's as far as I've gotten. Perhaps some further progress can be made here if it does involve poker.

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catherwood
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 		I reeeeeally like the poker angle! I'm not seeing any immediate solution, and I need to get some sleep now, but I'll toss out a possible explanation for there being so many X's in the initials: they stand for 10, as in the playing card rank of ten. There are quite a few J's for jacks, too. But what do we do with the disciple whose initials are MMM, for example? With sixty people, we have too many cards to be dealing out unique hands. Either there is some multiple numbering scheme, or perhaps only one task will yield a valid poker hand at all. See you in the morning!

PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:13 am
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FractalP
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 		Hmm, you're on to something there ToddE. In poker, when a joker is used it is called a bug (my friends and I made a variant called Jungle Poker with 4 jokers) and acts as an extra ace. According to WP, this occurs mainly in casino draw poker.

Also, to me it sounds like we have to find an extra name then add our own. Since there are three people listed and one we have to find, thinking of the four names leads a connection to the four suits. Also, maybe the initials are telling us something important, such as the suit and/or the card. Seeing as there are 26 letters in the alphabet and 52 (non-joker) cards in a deck, maybe A can be an Ace or Deuce of Spades, B can be a Three or Four of Spades, et cetera.I'm gonna go look at it now. The poker angle seems really likely!

Note to catherwood: the gap you speak about shows up for me too, but it seems to be caused just by the quotes and birthdates overrunning. Reducing the font size deals with the issue.

EDIT: Idea! Maybe we have to find which hand beats is the winner from each job?

EEDDIITT: I've found that if you take the card values as 1,2...12,13 and each set of two letters correpsonds to a number like 1=A and B, 3=E and F, then only two of each job have a matching card. Coinkydink?

PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:33 am
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FractalP
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 		Bump for new DI!
Quote:
And he said, in the language of
King James, the Word is for the
many, not for one.

Well, it seems to me that we need to replace the word "Word" and find a sentence in the form of "The * is for the many, not for one"... and that's all I'm up to so far.

PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:44 am
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salvokat
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 		king james
I'm not sure if this qualifies for a spoiler tag, but I'll put one just in case...

Possible theory.. to today's DI

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
In terms of the 'language' used in the King James version of the Bible, it is old english...

so maybe the word for 'many' as opposed to the word for 'one' is simply the difference between "thou" and "thee"

so the answer is "thou"?


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