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FSURobbie
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Scott wrote:
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I still swear it's Ein from Cowboy Bebop.
Well, Ein is a corgi. So, sure. It's Ein. Or it's Queen Elizabeth's dogs. Or ...

(here's some random corgi site, fFor your enjoyment)

Oh, also: most commonly, corgis come in red and white. But they make em black and white, and an assortment of black white and red smooshes.

Also, the missing tail is normal. Smile


I just remember an episode where Ein was wearing those glasses because I thought it was so goofy. I'm probably crazy, but them's my two cents...

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Scott wrote:
FSURobbie wrote:
I still swear it's Ein from Cowboy Bebop.
Well, Ein is a corgi. So, sure. It's Ein. Or it's Queen Elizabeth's dogs. Or ...

(here's some random corgi site, fFor your enjoyment)

Oh, also: most commonly, corgis come in red and white. But they make em black and white, and an assortment of black white and red smooshes.

Also, the missing tail is normal. Smile


Indeed! Thanks for the correction. I just assumed that "dog with glasses" = "another dog with glasses" which is not the case. I had not looked at the drawing hard enough. Smile

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synspark wrote:
dposse wrote:
synspark wrote:
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Okay, so i've been doing some heavy physics looking-around...

m.w.e. stands for Meters of Water Equivalent. It's used when discussing depth in terms of the amount of water above the point that would be needed to reduce cosmic ray flux by the same amount as the actual material above the point does. I'm not sure if we're talking flow of cosmic rays here, or some other kind of high-energy waves or particles, but it's a start.

I would think that the chart refers to flow of proton energy at particular depths of whatever material we're talking about. Could be concrete for all we know, but the depth doesn't refer to actual depth in feet, it refers to the depth in meters of water that would reduce the flow of those particles the same amount as the actual material.

I'm still lookin around Very Happy


Can you explain that again, but this time to a High School grad?


LoL. It took me a bit to understand it too...but then again, I only get to check "Some College" on surveys...

m.w.e. in depth terms - Say you've got a sensor underground trying to detect cosmic particles. You could say that it's 1000 meters under typical rock. If it were sand, salt, marshmallows... whatever, instead of rock, the amount to which incoming particles would degrade would be different. m.w.e. is a way of standardizing the measurement for different materials through which the particles are passing. That way you could say, the particle degrading properties of passing through 1000 meters of standard rock is the same as those same particles passing through 2650 meters of water, so the meters of water equivalent of 1000m of standard rock is 2650 (typical rock is always multiplied by 2.650 for the m.w.e.). 1000 m of marshmallows could be the same as 30 m of water (for all we know, i'm guessing no one has tested).

Really all i was saying is that measurements in m.w.e. as in that graph are usually used for underground sensors trying to detect incoming particles.

that's all i got, i think Very Happy


i still didn't get a word of that... Confused


erm. I think it's hard to explain, for me anyway, because I'm not that into particle physics. I was hoping someone savvy on the subject would come along and make me seem like less of an idiot Very Happy

The point i was getting at, because we already knew what E p was, I was trying to make some correlation between that and what was going on down the left side of the graph.

Let's say that 1000 meters of rock has the same filtering effect as 2650 of water. That's my understanding of the measurement standard. It's just a way of not having to say what the material is that you're measuring through, because you're relating it's properties to some equivalent depth of water.

Like I said, I'm still looking around. I am now obsessed with finding some kind of correlation between particle energy at certain depths and m-rotors.


Be careful here... It's not E p , it's E µ . I think we're talking particle physics. E is energy, and µ could be a number of things (See http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/Mu.html). I'm going to guess - based on that page - we're either talking about radiation or magnetic fields. My guess is that E µ has something to do with the energy of either radiation or magnetic fields. Given the discussion of spinning rotors, I'm inclined to think it's magnetic fields. Given the (mev) unit, I'm inclined to think it's radiation.

EDIT: Ahhh - no, it's definitely radiation. Energy of Muon Particles. Muons are cosmic radiation. That all fits it together.
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/Muon.html

Regardless, I'm not entirely convinced that it's important - but maybe that's because I don't have a physics degree. I'll see if I can find some more hard science-y people to ask.

I think - if we're talking about "the threat of M-collapse... in the metropolitan area...", and we assume it's a radiation problem - that maybe we're talking about radiation UP from the buried GODseed, rather than cosmic radiation going underground.

I have yet to see a mention about that strange symbol next to the "D" at the bottom of the second column... It's REALLY strange, and nobody has poked at it yet?

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 		3 6 9 15 27

3+6=9
6+9=15
9+15=24... meh

How about this:

3*(1+0), 3*(1+1), 3*(1+2), 3*(1+4), 3*(1+8 ), ... , 3*(1+2^n)

Also the dog in the video is not the Cool Dog. It's a random dog (Jethro) dressed as Cool Dog. It's all in the credits.

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 		There are several comments embedded in the source code for the Fickr uploads. I don't know what they could mean... for instance...

<a>A Year Ago Today</a>-->

<a>World Map</a>

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MNUMHKEN wrote:
There are several comments embedded in the source code for the Fickr uploads. I don't know what they could mean... for instance...

<a>A Year Ago Today</a>-->

<a>World Map</a>


Ah - I just checked that out... I thought the <a> tag sounded a little strange for comments.

It's not comments, it's just Flickr's navigation menu.

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nwfisk wrote:
synspark wrote:
dposse wrote:
synspark wrote:
dposse wrote:
synspark wrote:
Okay, so i've been doing some heavy physics looking-around...

m.w.e. stands for Meters of Water Equivalent. It's used when discussing depth in terms of the amount of water above the point that would be needed to reduce cosmic ray flux by the same amount as the actual material above the point does. I'm not sure if we're talking flow of cosmic rays here, or some other kind of high-energy waves or particles, but it's a start.

I would think that the chart refers to flow of proton energy at particular depths of whatever material we're talking about. Could be concrete for all we know, but the depth doesn't refer to actual depth in feet, it refers to the depth in meters of water that would reduce the flow of those particles the same amount as the actual material.

I'm still lookin around Very Happy


Can you explain that again, but this time to a High School grad?


LoL. It took me a bit to understand it too...but then again, I only get to check "Some College" on surveys...

m.w.e. in depth terms - Say you've got a sensor underground trying to detect cosmic particles. You could say that it's 1000 meters under typical rock. If it were sand, salt, marshmallows... whatever, instead of rock, the amount to which incoming particles would degrade would be different. m.w.e. is a way of standardizing the measurement for different materials through which the particles are passing. That way you could say, the particle degrading properties of passing through 1000 meters of standard rock is the same as those same particles passing through 2650 meters of water, so the meters of water equivalent of 1000m of standard rock is 2650 (typical rock is always multiplied by 2.650 for the m.w.e.). 1000 m of marshmallows could be the same as 30 m of water (for all we know, i'm guessing no one has tested).

Really all i was saying is that measurements in m.w.e. as in that graph are usually used for underground sensors trying to detect incoming particles.

that's all i got, i think Very Happy


i still didn't get a word of that... Confused


erm. I think it's hard to explain, for me anyway, because I'm not that into particle physics. I was hoping someone savvy on the subject would come along and make me seem like less of an idiot Very Happy

The point i was getting at, because we already knew what E p was, I was trying to make some correlation between that and what was going on down the left side of the graph.

Let's say that 1000 meters of rock has the same filtering effect as 2650 of water. That's my understanding of the measurement standard. It's just a way of not having to say what the material is that you're measuring through, because you're relating it's properties to some equivalent depth of water.

Like I said, I'm still looking around. I am now obsessed with finding some kind of correlation between particle energy at certain depths and m-rotors.


Be careful here... It's not E p , it's E µ . I think we're talking particle physics. E is energy, and µ could be a number of things (See http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/Mu.html). I'm going to guess - based on that page - we're either talking about radiation or magnetic fields. My guess is that E µ has something to do with the energy of either radiation or magnetic fields. Given the discussion of spinning rotors, I'm inclined to think it's magnetic fields. Given the (mev) unit, I'm inclined to think it's radiation.

EDIT: Ahhh - no, it's definitely radiation. Energy of Muon Particles. Muons are cosmic radiation. That all fits it together.
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/Muon.html

Regardless, I'm not entirely convinced that it's important - but maybe that's because I don't have a physics degree. I'll see if I can find some more hard science-y people to ask.

I think - if we're talking about "the threat of M-collapse... in the metropolitan area...", and we assume it's a radiation problem - that maybe we're talking about radiation UP from the buried GODseed, rather than cosmic radiation going underground.

I have yet to see a mention about that strange symbol next to the "D" at the bottom of the second column... It's REALLY strange, and nobody has poked at it yet?


You're absolutely right... I'm a little annoyed at myself for not noticing, and moving in a misguided direction.

I agree with you. The particle flux isn't from above...it's from below. I'm guessing escape of particle radiation from the Godseed has something to do with the fragments that show up on the surface.

As for the "D", I've been trying to figure that out as well. I'm guessing that it's the worst-case scenario in whatever that graph is trying to tell us... (we know the graph is bad...) but what it is, who knows?

As has been mentioned before, Dante describes hell as "the Doleful City", and desribes the entrance in Canto III of "The Divine Comedy". Perhaps when those particular conditions are met, a hellmouth opens. We're not trying to get into the "Doleful City", we're trying to keep the entrance closed.

Quote:
The Descent/Outer Ring (Canto III)

I am the way into the doleful city,
I am the way into eternal grief,
I am the way to a forsaken race.
Justice it was that moved my great creator;
Divine Omnipotence created me,
And Highest Wisdom joined with Primal Love.
Before me nothing but eternal things
Were made, and I shall last eternally.
Abandon every hope, all you who enter. (Canto III, 1-9)


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synspark wrote:


You're absolutely right... I'm a little annoyed at myself for not noticing, and moving in a misguided direction.

I agree with you. The particle flux isn't from above...it's from below. I'm guessing escape of particle radiation from the Godseed has something to do with the fragments that show up on the surface.

As for the "D", I've been trying to figure that out as well. I'm guessing that it's the worst-case scenario in whatever that graph is trying to tell us... (we know the graph is bad...) but what it is, who knows?

As has been mentioned before, Dante describes hell as "the Doleful City", and desribes the entrance in Canto III of "The Divine Comedy". Perhaps when those particular conditions are met, a hellmouth opens. We're not trying to get into the "Doleful City", we're trying to keep the entrance closed.

Quote:
The Descent/Outer Ring (Canto III)

I am the way into the doleful city,
I am the way into eternal grief,
I am the way to a forsaken race.
Justice it was that moved my great creator;
Divine Omnipotence created me,
And Highest Wisdom joined with Primal Love.
Before me nothing but eternal things
Were made, and I shall last eternally.
Abandon every hope, all you who enter. (Canto III, 1-9)


Yeah, I think I've spent a good number of hours looking in the wrong places myself - it happens! Smile

I'd have to disagree with you with the "D" being the worst case, though. They specifically mention "M-Collapse," and at what would be the lowest depth/highest energy, we have simply "M". But, I'm really doubting that the labels on each axis actually have anything at all to do with the data in the chart...

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 		I or 1?
In the chart on page 26, is that an 'I' or a '1' in the box?

I had assumed it was an 'i' due to the proximity of 'QUAT', but look at the fonts on the facing page. It really could be either....

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 		Re: I or 1?
regentswift wrote:
In the chart on page 26, is that an 'I' or a '1' in the box?

I had assumed it was an 'i' due to the proximity of 'QUAT', but look at the fonts on the facing page. It really could be either....


Definitely an "I". Notice it has a serif on the top too, not just the bottom.

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 		Now that you mention it, there doesn't appear to be an "1"s at all in either graph on pages 26 and 27, they are all "I"s. Interesting...Thoughts people?

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 		What if there are actually two parallel universes within the game world? "Blackstar merger" is the point where two timelines merge.

DOR 4 = ACT 5 = 2003 (Blackstar merger)

DOR 0 = ACT 9 = 2007 (Wichita Connection)

ACT 10 = 2008

Notice how the copyright on the book says ACT 7, ACT 10, which translates to 2005-2008.

The Dormant Universe (which corresponds to our historical timeline) could be frozen in time. The Active Universe is where all the in-game stuff is happening.

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 		I took the graphs from pages 26 & 27 into Photoshop and forced them to lay over each other in such a way that they lined up. Don't know if anything will come of it, but it's about the only thing I could think of to try. You code guys can let me know if there's anything in this.

I changed each graph to a different color to make it easier to see the differences between each one.

Anyone see anything in there?




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Interesting...

5 different mwe levels on the "Doleful City" chart, and 5 levels of hell...
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nwfisk wrote:
Interesting...

5 different mwe levels on the "Doleful City" chart, and 5 levels of hell...


oooh. That's certainly interesting. I don't know if we're going in the right direction, but I'm enjoying this line of thought Smile

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