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[INFO] "Milwaukee: A Reasonable Haven" Informational Booklet
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synspark
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SubGothius wrote:
synspark wrote:
Why are there 2 Blackstar mergers? Mergers with what? US Government could be one of them, either pre-Godseed (to get the whole thing started), or post-apocalypse (to clean up the mess)...but then, what's the other one?

I think they are one and the same merger, so DOR 4 = ACT 5; the last 8 or 10 years (depending on whether you count 0s or not Wink ) of one coincide with the first 8-10 years of the other.
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The whole book, we have to remember, the first video, and the whole scheme to a point, is Blackstar propaganda. That's evidenced by the "recording" of phone calls, and the reasons why no one who called could get any firm answers about Blackstar et al. They are effectively the government at this point.

That reinforces my conjecture that we'll learn more from the "careless oversights", the slip-ups and mistakes, than we will from the overt face-value messages.


True. The release of the book was a mistake in itself. They wanted us to be absolutely certain that we knew it was released in error, hence the back-and-forth reply-to-all emails. Unfortunately, not much of the whole story makes sense, so it's not so easy to pick out mistakes...

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 		Hi, isn't the thing held up in the video a Fennel (family tree)? and isn't the "punch-line" to the joke is just "The Creep". They pretty much tell you it is "Let's talk about The Creep best known as the punch line of the joke," ...

The joke simply makes fun of The Creep - which I'm guessing might be a collective term for a group of undesirable people?

"What's the only thing Go.D.S.E.E.D. fragments won't destroy and consume, The Creep!"

Also with the subscript letters I think we should be looking for a phrase somewhere from which extracting the letters in the order (ie E2 is before R2) will give us a number sequence. The hyphons will probably tell you if you're on the right track - it probably isn't even a complete anagram.

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Beepye wrote:
Also with the subscript letters I think we should be looking for a phrase somewhere from which extracting the letters in the order (ie E2 is before R2) will give us a number sequence. The hyphons will probably tell you if you're on the right track - it probably isn't even a complete anagram.


This is an interesting idea. It could be a Milwaukee phone number:

4: N, R_3
1: O, Y
4: N, R_3
-: G, I_2, N_2, T_2, O_3
6: R, A, W
8: R_2
8: R_2
-: G, I_2, N_2, T_2, O_3
?
?
?
?

Any words or phrases possible with 414-688- that will give us the last four digits?

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 		chateau
I doubt that it matters, but the "typical chateau" on p. 41 is actually a particular chateau: http://www.chateauchallain.com/. Here is a better photo: http://chateauchallain.smugmug.com/gallery/499581_xnqCf#20438330_XaU57-S-LB

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 		Man theres a lot here. Where to start... I've already forgotten most of what I was thinking while reading the booklet.

This seems like its shaping up to be an RPG of some sort. Maybe it'll turn into an online computer game or something.

Also, it sounds like the FeBrizzio's is.. floating or flying? Incentives for "Special" (pg 11) under "FeBrizzio's" is FeBrizzio's Airship life-time pass. It could aslo, however, be interpreted as FeBrizzio's will give away a life-time pass the the/a airship... Though "Airship" is capitalized.

On the opposing page (pg 8 ), it says:

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"will never invent a machine that travels under sea."
The Dinosaur Viceroy was given to such statements.

Magnetism also played a role. By DOR 200 the use of turbine was well-established. It was a technology man would soon steal-and with the replication of the compassion in 180, the playing field was finally level.


Not going under sea, magnetism, turbines = floating restaurant???? Why would they be giving out swords? Obviously not the usual restaurant.

But in the video its out side and says:
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When you're done, stop by the courtyard for al fresco dining at FeBrizzio's - the Museum Center's in-house cafe and grill. FeBrizzio's caters to every palate,
So.. maybe ALL of this Milwaukee is a flying city!!?? Okay, my head hurts.
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EnsO
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synspark wrote:
Jeez. I miss a few hours, and it's so hard to catch up...

Two things that are bothering me about the inside cover and the dates. Well, not the dates, specifically...

Why are there 2 Blackstar mergers? Mergers with what? US Government could be one of them, either pre-Godseed (to get the whole thing started), or post-apocalypse (to clean up the mess)...but then, what's the other one?

Also, at TRO 132, "Ethra killed in Peoria Siege" - Why choose the word "siege"? It's technically a military action. From what we know of Godseed fragments, they don't act in any organized or concerted way, so they're incapable of warfare... I'm going to assume (i don't know why I do this...) that normal citizens were holed up in Peoria for some reason... So, first, who is Ethra? If he/she is on the citizen's side, who was laying siege to Peoria? Blackstar? If not, why is it significant that he/she is dead?

The whole book, we have to remember, the first video, and the whole scheme to a point, is Blackstar propaganda. That's evidenced by the "recording" of phone calls, and the reasons why no one who called could get any firm answers about Blackstar et al. They are effectively the government at this point.

So, which side is Ethra on, and why does Blackstar care that he/she died that year?


something that just occurred to me:

Ethra=Earth

interesting.

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EnsO
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landtuna wrote:
Beepye wrote:
Also with the subscript letters I think we should be looking for a phrase somewhere from which extracting the letters in the order (ie E2 is before R2) will give us a number sequence. The hyphons will probably tell you if you're on the right track - it probably isn't even a complete anagram.


This is an interesting idea. It could be a Milwaukee phone number:

4: N, R_3
1: O, Y
4: N, R_3
-: G, I_2, N_2, T_2, O_3
6: R, A, W
8: R_2
8: R_2
-: G, I_2, N_2, T_2, O_3
?
?
?
?

Any words or phrases possible with 414-688- that will give us the last four digits?


how are you coming up with this exactly? not following. it is an interesting idea, just don't see the system you are employing here?

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landtuna wrote:
Beepye wrote:
Also with the subscript letters I think we should be looking for a phrase somewhere from which extracting the letters in the order (ie E2 is before R2) will give us a number sequence. The hyphons will probably tell you if you're on the right track - it probably isn't even a complete anagram.


This is an interesting idea. It could be a Milwaukee phone number:

4: N, R_3
1: O, Y
4: N, R_3
-: G, I_2, N_2, T_2, O_3
6: R, A, W
8: R_2
8: R_2
-: G, I_2, N_2, T_2, O_3
?
?
?
?

Any words or phrases possible with 414-688- that will give us the last four digits?


The bottom cells are bolded, and are blanked. No, to me this indicates that they need to be filled in.

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Grue
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 		Worth mentioning that many jazz instruments, like saxophone or trumpet are made of brass. In fact, I think this is the main application for this material. However brass seems to be very important in TIMM world. Could it be that jazz music somehow repels Godseed fragments (a la Mars Attacks)?

Has anyone listened to this album http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_of_the_Cool anyway? Maybe there are some hints in the lyrics or something... Track 7 is named "Godchild", hmmm...

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EnsO
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regentswift wrote:
landtuna wrote:
Beepye wrote:
Also with the subscript letters I think we should be looking for a phrase somewhere from which extracting the letters in the order (ie E2 is before R2) will give us a number sequence. The hyphons will probably tell you if you're on the right track - it probably isn't even a complete anagram.


This is an interesting idea. It could be a Milwaukee phone number:

4: N, R_3
1: O, Y
4: N, R_3
-: G, I_2, N_2, T_2, O_3
6: R, A, W
8: R_2
8: R_2
-: G, I_2, N_2, T_2, O_3
?
?
?
?

Any words or phrases possible with 414-688- that will give us the last four digits?


The bottom cells are bolded, and are blanked. No, to me this indicates that they need to be filled in.


i agree completely. this is why i wanted to know how this person was drawing the conclusion that there was a phone number here. no, there is no pattern here that suggests phone number. first we need to fill in the blanks. then i think the peeps working on the algorithm/ long walk, simple and direct method can solve this thing. i too agree that the map of what remains of the world looks a lot like the long walk diagrammed on the Wikipedia page.

speaking of the map of remnant Earth. RH describes GS Frags out in "the dessert". this would place Witchita in the dessert if i'm not mistaken. also, Witchita residents were to watch a special video upon entering Milwaukee.

no one has mentioned the symbols added to the map for Grand Rapids and Duluth (both other re-building projects we're told by MR.) the symbol by Grand Rapids looks like beach umbrellas to me? (another umbrella reference). the symbol by Duluth has me stumped however. wind? waves? ice caves? probably meaningless, but this whol book is a mystery that has me fascinated.

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EnsO wrote:
the symbol by Duluth has me stumped however. wind? waves? ice caves? probably meaningless, but this whol book is a mystery that has me fascinated.


I thought it might be wind, but there are apparently ice volcanoes in the area.

edit: add link! http://www.geo.mtu.edu/volcanoes/ice/

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Grue wrote:
Worth mentioning that many jazz instruments, like saxophone or trumpet are made of brass. In fact, I think this is the main application for this material. However brass seems to be very important in TIMM world. Could it be that jazz music somehow repels Godseed fragments (a la Mars Attacks)?

Has anyone listened to this album http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_of_the_Cool anyway? Maybe there are some hints in the lyrics or something... Track 7 is named "Godchild", hmmm...


Birth of Cool is an instrumental Jazz record.

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 		RE: Page 27
Here's where I'm currently stumped:

We essentially have a many-to-many relationship defined by this table.

We have letters mapped to numbers. Numbers have multiple letters. Some letters are mapped to multiple numbers, but sometimes to the same number multiple times (e.g., E and E 3 are both mapped to 2).

Originally I thought that this described respective nodes and vertexes, but being that we know that this is described as a simple graph, this means that there is only one path between any two nodes. Even if this is a directed graph, which would mean two paths between any two nodes (one from A to B, and one from B to A), the subscripts on the numbers go as high as R 4 .

I think we're either missing a key piece of information, or going about this wrong. If we had groupings for them (if the cells were arranged in pairs, or in some kind of order) this would make a lot more sense.

Thoughts?

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canebrake
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 		There's no function (one-to-one mapping) from numbers to letters in the page 27 table, and no function from letters to numbers either, without the subscripts (because some letters match up with two or three different numbers). With the subscripts, though, there is a function from letters-cum-subscript to numbers. That's why I've been suggesting it's an anagram of some sort. Once we figure out an order for all the letters, we'll have a unique series of numbers.

Of course, nobody knows what the anagram might be. There are thousands of fits, but nothing that leaps out as being appropriate (nothing about hamBURgers, for instance).

On this assumption, the dashes are dashes: maybe as separators, maybe as elements of phone numbers.

But I can't see any other way to make sense of the subscripts.

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 		I'll mention it again, re: the superscripts. Every cell is a unique letter/#, alphanumerically. Repeated letters are numbered sequentially (R, R2, R3, R4, etc), so IMO the use for the superscript numbers is known - an indication of of that letter's position in the entire sequence where that letter already exists. (ie the letter R(3) in row3col1 appears later than the R(1) in row2col2, if we're forming a long string)

sequentially (by superscript #/letter and main number):
Code:
A  6
E  2
E2 3
E3 2
F  0
G  -
H  2
I  9
I2 -
K  2
L  9
M  5
N  4
N2 -
O  1
O2 0
O3 -
R  4
R2 8
R3 5
R4 6
S  5
T  0
T2 -
U  0
U2 2
W  6
W2 0
Y  1
Y2 0

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