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[INFO] "Milwaukee: A Reasonable Haven" Informational Booklet
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canebrake
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 		zip codes
I've also been a fan of the idea that the thing on p. 27 is supposed to involve zip codes, but I don't think it will work, unless they're zip codes of some other cities.

I was thinking it might be the five Active Cities, then you take the dashes as spaces, and there are enough left over digits for another zip code: a 6th Active City!

Unfortunately it won't work with these numbers and these cities.

Here are some zip codes (the lowest ones for the Active Cities):

Wichita: 67201
Decatur: 62521
Milwaukee: 53201
Duluth: 55801
Grand Rapids: 49501

(Each of these has lots of higher numbered zc's too.)

The problem is that there aren't enough 5s in the grid: we'd need at least five and only have 3. This is true even if we take EnsO's suggestion and import the additional numbers from p. 26.

I tried shifting each digit by 5, so all the 5s become 0s, which we have enough of. (Duluth, e.g., is now 00356.) It didn't work for me because some of the resulting new zip codes contained 7, which we didn't have. I haven't tried it yet with EnsO's scheme.

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Zor wrote:
Grue wrote:

So the path should be Wichita - Decatour - Milwaukee - Duluth - Decatour - Grand Rapids - Milwaukee (the only path that satisfies the constraints)


This is super awesome. Now I'm willing to bet that Decatur's nickname is important. Why? Otherwise there are 2 cities that start with D


See this from the Communication from & with Milwaukee residents thread...
I think we might be a little off track thinking that this has anything to do with the cities themselves...


MrCthulhu2U wrote:

A lovely email exchange with Michael Lewis, my query below his response.
Hi xxx,

Sorry, the Wichita slideshow isn't available outside of the Welcome Centre. I understand that you're anxious to "hit the road" as they say, but there's nothing in that slideshow that's of any great importance until you've gotten into town. (Really, it's a little embarrassingly dated, to be honest. It was commissioned back when we first made touch, and things have changed more than a little since then, obviously.)

As far as what "route" you choose to take to Milwaukee, I think you're over-thinking things. It's easy to do that -- trust me, we at the MTC are as guilty of it as anyone! There's nothing you need outside of what you already have, and once you've made a route to get here (the traditional way of doing things is always best), it's my recommendation to come directly. (Stopping is not recommended, as there are a lot of dangers in the deserts. I don't know why I'm even bothering to tell you that, of course, as you're from Wichita, so certainly you're aware of what I'm referencing.)

Hope that clears things up. Thanks for your interest, and "we'll be seeing you when we're seeing you, pard'ner!"

Lastly, please pass on the video to your friends and family -- we're trying to make this the most successful Milwaukee new resident quarter ever!

Sincerely,
Michael Lewis
MTC


Quoting xxx:

> Hi Michael,
>
> I'm considering a move from Wichita to Milwaukee and I have a couple of questions...
>
> First, I see mention in the (mis) released "A Reasonable Haven" of an informational video for folks like me and was hoping you could direct me to it. Anything to help ease the anxiety of moving is appreciate and as Voltaire said, "Knowledge is the lettices in your sandwiche!"
>
> Second, I'm trying to decide on my course for traveling to your fair city. I was going to go to Decatur, then to Milwaukee but I have a bit of time and that seems so short and it'd be nice to see some of the countryside. I was thinking I should go Wichita, Decatur, Duluth, Milwaukee, Grand Rapids and then back to Milwaukee because I like boats and want to ride it twice, but then I saw the note about not coming in from the North Gate and thought it would be better to go Wichita, Decatur, Grand Rapids, Milwaukee, Duluth, Decatur (why not see Big Brass City twice?) and then back to Milwaukee. What do you think?
>
> I know you're a busy guy so while I have a million questions, I'll just leave it there.
>
> thanks,
> xxx


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Zor wrote:
Grue wrote:

So the path should be Wichita - Decatour - Milwaukee - Duluth - Decatour - Grand Rapids - Milwaukee (the only path that satisfies the constraints)


This is super awesome. Now I'm willing to bet that Decatur's nickname is important. Why? Otherwise there are 2 cities that start with D


Also:

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I'm stuck on Decatur, IL. It is mentioned on Page 0 of the book (the map). It was named after Stephen Decatur who was the youngest man to reach the rank of captain in the history of the United States Navy, and the first American celebrated as a national military hero who had not played a role in the American Revolution.
Also - he saw the Jersey Devil/alien/whatever it is in real-life.

Ok - So Decatur is (IG) "Big Brass City". It seems to be denoted with a dot signifying a "capital" or large city - usually see that on maps. No other city has that signifier. Also, the dotted line coming from Witchita goes through it before going to Milwaukee. Brass seems to come from there. It is even listed 3 times under important materials:
* brass
* reinforced brass
* M-brass (related to m-rotors?)

So - Dinosaurs lived with humans in this alternate reality. It has been pointed out that maybe they were crappy at history? But they have quotes from the Dinosaur Viceroy - which wouldn't make sense to make up.

http://mymilwaukee.wikibruce.com/Image:Haven-p8%2C9%2C11.jpg

This lists how we were able to gain footing against the dinosaurs and how our freedom came due to the Brass Age. I'm thinking that their "Brass Age" is a different one - due to different timelines....and the numerous references to Brass. Why would they be talking about the RL one when the IG one is so specific?

So - Dinosaurs had submarines (mentioned twice on 2 pages) and advanced technology like turbines.


Note: Abraham Lincoln studied law in Decatur. Heh



Edit: Didn't know if you all were aware, but some SA dude made an awesome tool for Anagrams on the chart in the pamphlet.
http://hosted.xamai.ca/27.html

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 		Destegging
Has anyone looked at the image files from the packet (particularly of the dinosaurs) with stegnography/destegging tools?

Something like that happened in the Find 815 ARG a while back.

I don't know which tool to use, but maybe someone here does.

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 		I forget who wanted to know about the font of the logo...said it looked like something from a previous employer?

Anyways, a typographically-oriented friend pointed me to Bauhaus:





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 		Re: Destegging
sampowers wrote:
Has anyone looked at the image files from the packet (particularly of the dinosaurs) with stegnography/destegging tools?

Something like that happened in the Find 815 ARG a while back.

I don't know which tool to use, but maybe someone here does.


good idea. i wonder if that phrase "we'll be seeing you when we're seeing you pardner" could be the encryption key? anyone have a good program recommendation for Mac? downloaded pict encrypt but it seems to be pretty much useless?

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 		Wow, great job EnsO. Its over my head and I'm not sure what to do with, even if its right, but you made something of it!!

Also, I don't think the dinosaurs are real OOG prehistoric dinoes. Maybe they're a title for something or someone. Maybe and enemy, or... the old inhabitants of the country. Like people that won't except the new Milwaukee way of living?? Maybe they started the 300 troubles??? Eh, heck if I knoww, lol.
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Brave777 wrote:
Wow, great job EnsO. Its over my head and I'm not sure what to do with, even if its right, but you made something of it!!

Also, I don't think the dinosaurs are real OOG prehistoric dinoes. Maybe they're a title for something or someone. Maybe and enemy, or... the old inhabitants of the country. Like people that won't except the new Milwaukee way of living?? Maybe they started the 300 troubles??? Eh, heck if I knoww, lol.


haha! thanks, Brave. who knows if my little theory is anything. it just felt good to at least make some kind of sense out of those two pages that have been haunting me lately. if nothing else, it might spark someone else to the right track, but who knows, right?

peace...

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 		Re: Page 27 Table
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horkheimer wrote:
Maybe the table on page 27 isn't supposed to be decoded, but is used to decode words to numbers... matching up letters in a word or phrase to the corresponding number, with multiple instances of letters using the subscripted cells..

so milwaukee = 599660223.. not that milwaukee is supposed to be decoded... just an idea.


I just wanted to point out that using the p27 table to translate "milwaukee" into numbers doesn't give a unique number without knowing what comes before it. There are multiple {I,W,U,E} that can be used.

So it would be 5?9?6?2?? , where each ? has different possibilities. I've been writing these underdetermined results of possible anagram parts like:
Code:

 9 6 0 12
5#9#6#2##
 - 0 2 23

To show the possibilites for each unknown. But that notation works better on paper than when typing (on paper, the # can be skipped and the possibilities put half inline with the knowns).

If the p27 table is to be used letters->numbers, we seem to be looking for a 25-letter + 5-space phrase as a key. One with a few constraints like, no D or Q etc. (Maybe a running list of what phrases don't work would be good. wikipage?)

I liked the zip codes for active cities angle (as it gave an endpoint to shoot for), but the lack of enough proper digits seems bad. What about map coordinates? How are those typically formatted and does constraining the area to Milwaukee (or NY given the previous drop location) give enough constraint to rule it out on the grounds of not having enough of the needed digits?

Also, I liked the "new perspective" idea. Those of you trying to combine the p26 and p27 tables, maybe the "new feeling" symbol is helpful. It would put them next to each other.

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 		I know everyone is trying to make an anagram with "Milwaukee", but I just noticed you can make "M-Rotor re-seat(ing)" out of those letters. Something like:

WHY YOU RESEAT MROTOR? FUEL WRINKING!

Ok, "wrinking" is not a real word, but there may be something here.

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 		Come on, let's work on the anagram, I feel we're almost there. The letters are: HKAMFGLSEEERRRRWWYYNNTTIIUUOOO. This is a good site to search anagrams: http://www.oneacross.com/anagrams/ Type the known words in the "containing" field. Here are some ideas:

"MILWAUKEE ..."
"M-ROTOR RESEAT(ING)..."
"WARNING: M-ROTOR ...."
"M-ROTOR ENERGY ..."
"MAYOR ... WORKER"

The words "you"/"your"/"why" are probably present.

EDIT: "FAMILY TREE (RE)GROWTH" could be interesting. (thx felonious drunk). HOW FAMILY TREE GROWS IN YOU'RE TRUNK?

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 		Random stuff I don't think has been mentioned:

- TOC: Sections on Travel, Economy, Working with Blackstar, Government, and Rebels are missing

- p. 0: "plasticite" and "brickacite" suggest to me what some future civilization might call the "minerals" they might mine from buried cities.

- p. 0 map: Each city is in a different state (KS, IL, WI, MN, MI). Don't know what to do with that info.

- p. 16: purification and cleansing -- either some kind of ritual (Go.D.S.E.E.D.) or radiation safety?

- p. 17: I think the left die is a mirror (the star side should really show 6 pips) but I may be wrong

- p. 26: E μ (GeV) along with mwe could be something to do with muons, combined with Alpha, Beta, and Gamma (kinds of radiation). I don't know much more than that about particle physics though. The rest mass of a muon is about 106 MeV/c 2 (from Wikipedia).

- p. 26 part 2: SIGNIFICANT FIND! "Simulations of muon-induced neutron flux at large depths underground" , Table 2 has the numbers from the top row under "E μ s.r., LVD" meaning, and I quote because I do not understand, "mean muon energy for global muon flux in standard rock for a flat surface with LVD parameterisation of the muon spectrum".

- p. 27: ZIP codes: I don't think so... there's no location for 82600 or 22484, the most interesting one I found was Washington DC (20224). You can also spell Washington in the grid, but you can spell a lot of things, like "FAMILY TREE", "RESEAT M ROTOR", or "IF YOU ARE LOST TRY RUM KNOWING WHERE"... I suspect that anagram is going to need another hint from somewhere, tool I made or not. (Oh, hi from SA)

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 		Boggle
FeloniousDrunk wrote:
Random stuff I don't think has been mentioned:

- TOC: Sections on Travel, Economy, Working with Blackstar, Government, and Rebels are missing

- p. 0: "plasticite" and "brickacite" suggest to me what some future civilization might call the "minerals" they might mine from buried cities.

- p. 0 map: Each city is in a different state (KS, IL, WI, MN, MI). Don't know what to do with that info.

- p. 16: purification and cleansing -- either some kind of ritual (Go.D.S.E.E.D.) or radiation safety?

- p. 17: I think the left die is a mirror (the star side should really show 6 pips) but I may be wrong

- p. 26: E μ (GeV) along with mwe could be something to do with muons, combined with Alpha, Beta, and Gamma (kinds of radiation). I don't know much more than that about particle physics though. The rest mass of a muon is about 106 MeV/c 2 (from Wikipedia).

- p. 26 part 2: SIGNIFICANT FIND! "Simulations of muon-induced neutron flux at large depths underground" , Table 2 has the numbers from the top row under "E μ s.r., LVD" meaning, and I quote because I do not understand, "mean muon energy for global muon flux in standard rock for a flat surface with LVD parameterisation of the muon spectrum".

- p. 27: ZIP codes: I don't think so... there's no location for 82600 or 22484, the most interesting one I found was Washington DC (20224). You can also spell Washington in the grid, but you can spell a lot of things, like "FAMILY TREE", "RESEAT M ROTOR", or "IF YOU ARE LOST TRY RUM KNOWING WHERE"... I suspect that anagram is going to need another hint from somewhere, tool I made or not. (Oh, hi from SA)



Assuming you're the same FeloniusDrunk from SA, I think you're onto something with the boggle idea for the 2nd grid. Given the clue, Simple and Direct, it makes sense there's a single path through the letters that spells out something which will inform us of the other numbers. I would further suggest that the numbering on the repeat letters is an indication of the path. To quote

FeloniousDrunk from SA wrote:

I drank beer at the p.27 grid for a while and found a few interesting words in it that can be formed Boggle-style (adjacent letters):

code:

H-W.K U-L
| \| .
E R-O R S
| | |
R U Y Y E
\ | |
R E A F-O
|
N W M I T

I N G T O

If that looks bad, I'm trying to indicate that there's "foes lurk where" and "mayor". Some or all of those could be wrong, but to my intuition a path-based thing would be more sporting than a full 30-letter anagram.


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 		Re: Boggle
MrCthulhu2U wrote:

Assuming you're the same FeloniusDrunk from SA, I think you're onto something with the boggle idea for the 2nd grid. Given the clue, Simple and Direct, it makes sense there's a single path through the letters that spells out something which will inform us of the other numbers. I would further suggest that the numbering on the repeat letters is an indication of the path. To quote

FeloniousDrunk from SA wrote:

I drank beer at the p.27 grid for a while and found a few interesting words in it that can be formed Boggle-style (adjacent letters):

code:

H-W.K U-L
| \| .
E R-O R S
| | |
R U Y Y E
\ | |
R E A F-O
|
N W M I T

I N G T O

If that looks bad, I'm trying to indicate that there's "foes lurk where" and "mayor". Some or all of those could be wrong, but to my intuition a path-based thing would be more sporting than a full 30-letter anagram.


Yep, that's me. I'm kind of leaning away from the Boggle-style though because I keep getting trapped. If Boggle is really the way to do it, the word "Where" pretty much has to be in the solution, but I can't make anything much out of the lower right corner, especially when the constraint that you have to use T1 before T2 etc. is imposed...

I was more excited about that physics journal showing that 1000 mwe = 150 GeV etc. It would suggest that the only important part of p.26 is the diagonal (3, 84, A, NO, M).

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 		Re: Boggle
FeloniousDrunk wrote:
MrCthulhu2U wrote:

Assuming you're the same FeloniusDrunk from SA, I think you're onto something with the boggle idea for the 2nd grid. Given the clue, Simple and Direct, it makes sense there's a single path through the letters that spells out something which will inform us of the other numbers. I would further suggest that the numbering on the repeat letters is an indication of the path. To quote

FeloniousDrunk from SA wrote:

I drank beer at the p.27 grid for a while and found a few interesting words in it that can be formed Boggle-style (adjacent letters):

code:

H-W.K U-L
| \| .
E R-O R S
| | |
R U Y Y E
\ | |
R E A F-O
|
N W M I T

I N G T O

If that looks bad, I'm trying to indicate that there's "foes lurk where" and "mayor". Some or all of those could be wrong, but to my intuition a path-based thing would be more sporting than a full 30-letter anagram.


Yep, that's me. I'm kind of leaning away from the Boggle-style though because I keep getting trapped. If Boggle is really the way to do it, the word "Where" pretty much has to be in the solution, but I can't make anything much out of the lower right corner, especially when the constraint that you have to use T1 before T2 etc. is imposed...

I was more excited about that physics journal showing that 1000 mwe = 150 GeV etc. It would suggest that the only important part of p.26 is the diagonal (3, 84, A, NO, M).


interesting take. how do you come to this conclusion?

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