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[INFO] "Milwaukee: A Reasonable Haven" Informational Booklet
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festivusr
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 		Muons
Muons
With the header in that table I have to wonder if M-Rotors aren't some kind of particle accelerator, or have something to do with the spin of a muon. Maybe our universe and theirs differ by what kind of spin is on some particles? And wow, how the heck did you find that science article *boggle*

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FeloniousDrunk
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 		Re: Boggle
EnsO wrote:
me wrote:
I was more excited about that physics journal showing that 1000 mwe = 150 GeV etc. It would suggest that the only important part of p.26 is the diagonal (3, 84, A, NO, M).


interesting take. how do you come to this conclusion?


Well, from the table in that paper, we have:

Code:

X (km w.e.) : E[mu] (GeV)
1.0 : 150
2.0 : 226
3.0 : 273
4.0 : 304
5.0 : 324


Since 1 km w.e. = 1000 m.w.e. we get the left axis labels of the table, and the numbers for E mu go across the top. Since we know (if we can trust the guy who wrote the paper) that the m.w.e.s are equivalent to the E mu s, then only the diagonal of the table makes sense. Note that I am no particle physicist, maybe there's one lurking around somewhere... as for "3 84 A NO M", I don't know. I do know that "QUATI" suggested the word "Equation" to me though.[/code]

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FeloniousDrunk
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 		Re: Muons
Muons
festivusr wrote:
With the header in that table I have to wonder if M-Rotors aren't some kind of particle accelerator, or have something to do with the spin of a muon. Maybe our universe and theirs differ by what kind of spin is on some particles? And wow, how the heck did you find that science article *boggle*


My meager understanding tells me that this has to do with muon particle penetration through various depths of rock, such as might be useful information for building cosmic ray detectors underground. It certainly ties in with the whole burying the GoDSEED business.

Finding the article was actually sort of easy, after speculating about muons I just googled "150 226 273 304 324 gev muon". First result. There may actually be better results, now that I think of it.

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synspark
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 		Re: Boggle
FeloniousDrunk wrote:
EnsO wrote:
me wrote:
I was more excited about that physics journal showing that 1000 mwe = 150 GeV etc. It would suggest that the only important part of p.26 is the diagonal (3, 84, A, NO, M).


interesting take. how do you come to this conclusion?


Well, from the table in that paper, we have:

Code:

X (km w.e.) : E[mu] (GeV)
1.0 : 150
2.0 : 226
3.0 : 273
4.0 : 304
5.0 : 324


Since 1 km w.e. = 1000 m.w.e. we get the left axis labels of the table, and the numbers for E mu go across the top. Since we know (if we can trust the guy who wrote the paper) that the m.w.e.s are equivalent to the E mu s, then only the diagonal of the table makes sense. Note that I am no particle physicist, maybe there's one lurking around somewhere... as for "3 84 A NO M", I don't know. I do know that "QUATI" suggested the word "Equation" to me though.[/code]


Well, I'm happy to see that this theory isn't dead. I spent a hell of a long time looking at it this way, and it got dropped like a hot potato. I hope you're more successful than I.

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FeloniousDrunk
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 		LVD
Sorry I seem to be hogging, but I was curious about this LVD thing that kept coming up in the paper:

Quote:

The Large Volume Detector (LVD) is a particle physics experiment situated in the Gran Sasso laboratory in Italy. It has been in operation since June 1992, and is a member of the Supernova Early Warning System.


Italy? FeBrizzio's?
Supernova - Black hole - Black Star?

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EnsO
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 		Re: Boggle
FeloniousDrunk wrote:
EnsO wrote:
me wrote:
I was more excited about that physics journal showing that 1000 mwe = 150 GeV etc. It would suggest that the only important part of p.26 is the diagonal (3, 84, A, NO, M).


interesting take. how do you come to this conclusion?


Well, from the table in that paper, we have:

Code:

X (km w.e.) : E[mu] (GeV)
1.0 : 150
2.0 : 226
3.0 : 273
4.0 : 304
5.0 : 324


Since 1 km w.e. = 1000 m.w.e. we get the left axis labels of the table, and the numbers for E mu go across the top. Since we know (if we can trust the guy who wrote the paper) that the m.w.e.s are equivalent to the E mu s, then only the diagonal of the table makes sense. Note that I am no particle physicist, maybe there's one lurking around somewhere... as for "3 84 A NO M", I don't know. I do know that "QUATI" suggested the word "Equation" to me though.[/code]



see this is my problem with the X and Y axes. to my way of thinking, you have just further proven the physics lesson dead in the water. if, as you say, 1000 mwe is equivalent to 150 E[mu](GeV) then there is no need for a table whatsoever, the axes would be parallel. further, the table does not state that 1000 mwe = 150 E[mu](GeV), it states that it relates to a factor of 3. further, to follow your line of reasoning, the diagonal for the graph would be a straight forward mathematical series. how do factors such as "NO" and "M" suddenly appear in the equation?

btw, i think only the letters QUAT appear in the table. the "I" is a numeral "1" imho.

i maintain that this grid has nothing to do with physics what so ever. the physics thing is purely misdirection as i see it.

peace...

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MochaPixel
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 		I agree that we may be looking too much into this. The solution is bound to be something a bit more "simple and direct" than all of this complexity. I think the rest of the book holds other clues that will help us solve our predicament.

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synspark
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 		Re: Boggle
EnsO wrote:
FeloniousDrunk wrote:
EnsO wrote:
me wrote:
I was more excited about that physics journal showing that 1000 mwe = 150 GeV etc. It would suggest that the only important part of p.26 is the diagonal (3, 84, A, NO, M).


interesting take. how do you come to this conclusion?


Well, from the table in that paper, we have:

Code:

X (km w.e.) : E[mu] (GeV)
1.0 : 150
2.0 : 226
3.0 : 273
4.0 : 304
5.0 : 324


Since 1 km w.e. = 1000 m.w.e. we get the left axis labels of the table, and the numbers for E mu go across the top. Since we know (if we can trust the guy who wrote the paper) that the m.w.e.s are equivalent to the E mu s, then only the diagonal of the table makes sense. Note that I am no particle physicist, maybe there's one lurking around somewhere... as for "3 84 A NO M", I don't know. I do know that "QUATI" suggested the word "Equation" to me though.[/code]



see this is my problem with the X and Y axes. to my way of thinking, you have just further proven the physics lesson dead in the water. if, as you say, 1000 mwe is equivalent to 150 E[mu](GeV) then there is no need for a table whatsoever, the axes would be parallel. further, the table does not state that 1000 mwe = 150 E[mu](GeV), it states that it relates to a factor of 3. further, to follow your line of reasoning, the diagonal for the graph would be a straight forward mathematical series. how do factors such as "NO" and "M" suddenly appear in the equation?

btw, i think only the letters QUAT appear in the table. the "I" is a numeral "1" imho.

i maintain that this grid has nothing to do with physics what so ever. the physics thing is purely misdirection as i see it.

peace...


I'm going to have to agree with EnsO here... I didn't bother reading this post earlier, because I'd been through this already. But, it's not right.

m.w.e. is a measurement of depth. GeV is a measurement of energy. They don't become equivalent, ever. All this table would tell you, if it were accurate (and we're not even sure that it is...) is that the energy of a particular particle is x amount at y depth.

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MatMali
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 		I haven't seen anything posted about this yet, but I figured it was worth a mention. I did a search on both Ethra and Peoria, and found that Peoria is a city in Arizona.

"TRO 132 Ethra killed in Peoria seige"

Info from Peoria, AZ's official website:

"The City of Peoria Arizona is Arizona's ninth largest city with an estimated year 2007 population of 153,592. Peoria is located in the Northwest portion of the Valley of the Sun with the state capital of Phoenix and the neighboring city of Glendale to the east, and the retirement community of Sun City to the west."

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MatMali wrote:
I haven't seen anything posted about this yet, but I figured it was worth a mention. I did a search on both Ethra and Peoria, and found that Peoria is a city in Arizona.

"TRO 132 Ethra killed in Peoria seige"

Info from Peoria, AZ's official website:

"The City of Peoria Arizona is Arizona's ninth largest city with an estimated year 2007 population of 153,592. Peoria is located in the Northwest portion of the Valley of the Sun with the state capital of Phoenix and the neighboring city of Glendale to the east, and the retirement community of Sun City to the west."


There's a Peoria in IL... It fits in a little better with the areas we're talking about. Just saying.

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GMcG
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 		I'm curious why they specifically mentioned Bleecker Street as the place to "roll some bones" when it's clearly a street in Manhattan where the bar in the video was.

Unless they're just trying to make it seem like the video WAS in Milwaukee and this the book is just a bit of retcon.

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kyuurijanaidesu
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GMcG wrote:
I'm curious why they specifically mentioned Bleecker Street as the place to "roll some bones" when it's clearly a street in Manhattan where the bar in the video was.

Unless they're just trying to make it seem like the video WAS in Milwaukee and this the book is just a bit of retcon.


Might be that they're adopting Bleecker St. as a Milwaukee landmark due to it being in the video and therefore kind of impossible to ignore. After all, if parts of Milwaukee were destroyed (as we can assume from the postcard), parts may have been rebuilt.

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 		FeBrizzio's = iron breeze = rotating magnetic field
Chuck Jagoda is IG but OOG
A few things about TIMM were on my mind as I woke up today; I think this may be what they mean by revisiting things "after a good night's rest". It's really Damn Peculiar how aspects of the game occupy my thoughts as I wake up, although I don't recall actually dreaming about it at all, kinda using the Dream Oracle method of solving a problem. At any rate:

I think "Chuck Jagoda" is a character in-game, but not one we can interact with nor probe for info. The IG Jagoda was hired/recruited by the IG MTC to appear in their vid, and is perhaps a local celebrity or prominent/influential personage of some sort (a "Duke"), but he runs a Museum and knows nothing of Blackstar internal affairs. He prolly wondered who the F are all these people following him on Twitter and cut off new followers, but those who did start following can report his Tweets back to the rest of us. It's interesting how electromagnetic means of communication (Internet, telephone) seem to be the sole, shared bridge between their world and ours; our phone system and Internet is one and the same as theirs. Speaking of which...

FeBrizzio's -- Chuck has referred to it as simply Brizzio's, leaving out the "Fe" -- as in, the elemental symbol for Iron, a ferrous metal with magnetic properties. An "iron breeze" could be a rotating magnetic field, related to M-rotors and turbines. Cf. the flash-frame M-rotor instructions:
Quote:
Do not push on the M-rotor in an attempt to re-seat during spin-up or cross-spin.

A magnetic field can rotate horizontally left-right or right-left (cross-spin) or vertically up-down or down-up (spin-up?) or any which way really. A compass could be useful in determining the presence and direction of a rotating magnetic field. Perhaps FeBrizzio's became so popular as an eatery (and enjoyed further continued success beyond their restaurant) because they set up a rotating magnetic field to ward off frags, so it was a "safe haven" where people could relax and have a carefree meal.

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Beeswax
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 		I'd say that table is too accurate to be a coincidence.

The same units on each axis - and those GeV numbers are pretty random.

What puzzles me though is that when I click on the link it wants me to pay to read the article. Any chance you could copy it here?

Simulations of muon-induced neutron flux at large depths underground

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FeloniousDrunk
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 		Re: Boggle
EnsO wrote:

see this is my problem with the X and Y axes. to my way of thinking, you have just further proven the physics lesson dead in the water. if, as you say, 1000 mwe is equivalent to 150 E[mu](GeV) then there is no need for a table whatsoever, the axes would be parallel. further, the table does not state that 1000 mwe = 150 E[mu](GeV), it states that it relates to a factor of 3. further, to follow your line of reasoning, the diagonal for the graph would be a straight forward mathematical series. how do factors such as "NO" and "M" suddenly appear in the equation?

btw, i think only the letters QUAT appear in the table. the "I" is a numeral "1" imho.

i maintain that this grid has nothing to do with physics what so ever. the physics thing is purely misdirection as i see it.

peace...

Well, all I'm saying is that I found a table out there that I didn't make up, that has the exact same numbers we want, in the order we want, with the same units we want. It also turns out that it establishes a relationship between metres of water equivalent and muon energy. Yes, it's problematic that one-dimensional relationship seems to have been split into an x- and a y-axis on Page 26.

My line of reasoning doesn't actually require that the diagonal be a mathematical sequence of any sort, it just leads me to think that the diagonal is probably special.

As for I vs 1, it's an I. Just compare it to the 1's in 2010 and 124. There's no font size change, it's just the way 1 is rendered in that font. Unless you want it to be a giant "1", then I can't help you.

synspark wrote:
I'm going to have to agree with EnsO here... I didn't bother reading this post earlier, because I'd been through this already. But, it's not right.

m.w.e. is a measurement of depth. GeV is a measurement of energy. They don't become equivalent, ever. All this table would tell you, if it were accurate (and we're not even sure that it is...) is that the energy of a particular particle is x amount at y depth.


But... the numbers are the same... must... MEAN something...

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