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landtuna
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EnsO wrote:

my original point, and the one i adhere to vehemently, is that the body of the graph/ table (5x5) simply is not an accurate representation of values associated with the X and Y axes as one would expect

I think the problem is your general policy of trying to shoot ideas down. If you have an opinion that something isn't worthwhile, now is not the time to aggressively broadcast it to everyone. We need all the ideas we can get! It's not like we have a lot of leads here.

The key to brainstorming is to throw LOTS of ideas out there, no matter how outlandish, and let people run with them. Arguing over whether those ideas make sense or not is a waste of effort (unless everyone is together on the wrong bandwagon - not the case here).

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:19 am

MatMali
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Joined: 05 Dec 2008
Posts: 15
Location: Missouri

Hey, just wanted to throw a different (If not completely wacky) angle on the 5x5 grid.

It does say "The way into the doleful city" underneath it, which has made me scrutinize it very closely as a map. This leads me to believe that the L-shaped backwards "QUATI" would be the location of the bar, and that maybe the "2010" is Leo's Hair 2010. The "M" could be where Mike Russo lives...possibly.

The "NO"s and the single "NO?" make me think of only one thing, and that's nobelium. It's symbol is No and it's atomic number is 102.

This map thing is highly likely to be waaaaaay off base, just wanted to throw another possible slant on it.

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:37 am

canebrake
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Joined: 02 Dec 2008
Posts: 14

p. 27
still looking for an anagram

Most of the anagrams you get out of the letters on p. 27 are senseless, but I did come across this one:

GROW YOUR FAMILY TREE; WORK IN THE SUN
Unlike most of the anagrams, this one sounded pretty TIMMish, and I got excited for a bit. Unfortunately, when you convert that to numbers (mapping each letter to the number that appears in its cell; with the second R being R ₂ , etc.) you get the following:

-616100806599004230-52-4-2252-
which looks like nonsense to me; still, the anagram is fairly compelling. Anybody have any ideas about these numbers?

Of course,

WORK IN THE SUN; GROW YOUR FAMILY TREE
also works; that yields

61629402250--8001-24065-90-532.
This number looks even worse, but I post it in case anyone sees anything in it that I don't.
***
Here's something...: The first 5 digits are the zip code for Peoria, IL. Peoria, of course, is mentioned on the inside cover of M:ARH, and it's in the right geographic area. (The next 5 digits are the zip for Louisville, KY; it's all garbage after that, maybe because of the dashes.)
Three possibilities:

-- forget this approach

-- figure out something to go in the dashes (for the "dashes represent blanks we have to fill in" crowd)

-- somebody more clever than I writes a program that generates anagrams using the original letters, with the constraint that every 6th letter has to be one of {I,N,G,T,O} (with the first one not being an I unless there is exactly one I already, etc.); that will give us a string of five-digit numbers, separated by dashes (for the "dashes represent dashes" crowd). If the first 6 are WORKIG (as in "work ignites...") we might get a sequence of zip codes, starting with Peoria.
Having said all that, I think I'm going to go for the first option, since I've done about all I can do here. I hope someone pursues the other two.

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:46 am

NotMeAtAll
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Joined: 03 Dec 2008
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replies to random thoughts

FeloniousDrunk wrote:

- p. 0: "plasticite" and "brickacite" suggest to me what some future civilization might call the "minerals" they might mine from buried cities.

That was the impression I got too. Could fit in with the active cities being the only places that have been restored. The ruins of other cities might be in the process of being mined. Could be something to ask the MTC about... "are there any local jobs in mining, where at?" or the like.

FeloniousDrunk wrote:

- p. 0 map: Each city is in a different state (KS, IL, WI, MN, MI). Don't know what to do with that info.

Well those letters are in the p27 table, but there is only one M there.

FeloniousDrunk wrote:

- p. 27: ZIP codes: I don't think so... there's no location for 82600 or 22484, the most interesting one I found was Washington DC (20224). You can also spell Washington in the grid, but you can spell a lot of things, like "FAMILY TREE", "RESEAT M ROTOR", or "IF YOU ARE LOST TRY RUM KNOWING WHERE"... I suspect that anagram is going to need another hint from somewhere, tool I made or not. (Oh, hi from SA)

Well, the idea on the zip codes is that they could be scrambled and then encoded as an anagram via the letters. So there wouldn't be a straightforward reading of them like "82600".

As a random thought of my own. Maybe the Dark Dollar Arrangements are a key to the pages of the book and how to use them. "Start" is pages 1 and 2. Then the others count up from there.

When I first though this, I was hoping then that the "New feeling" was referring to the "problems" pages. Since that dark dollar arrangement puts the tables adjacent. But there are several issues with this, like where to start the count... at the cover, or TOC, or active cities&intro, or actually the pages numbered 1&2.

And what to make of the torn out page 10 in such a counting scheme.

Question

What is the "NM" in the dark dollar arrangements?

Also, the dark dollar arrangements have repeating symbols. The diamond, triangle, and circle all repeat. So maybe the page counting doesn't increment between each arrangement, instead new pages are marked by the introduction of a new symbol.

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:46 am

canebrake
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Posts: 14

I figured NM is no movement.

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:54 am

scotty2012
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Ok, we need to be focused on the chart on page 27, not the one on page 26. I sent an email to russo and mars and asked them what tale the charts actually told worse than words. here's Russo's response (from 1am):

Quote:

SCOTT SCott

scott guesh whos ben dirnking

scoott yuou know Im so fikcsick of those godmnamn talbes. FUJCKING LEWIS runging my godman life. itsk that fucking SECOND TKABLE that alklmost got me fired im mena first tabkle wil be impotant evnetulaaaaaly ik guess buit SECOND fuck fuck FUCK!!t!thosssse ficking empty cels anmd all out of order htank god walter put \

tghat shit ino Internet imcincomplete, thajts the real heartdf of the fujicking mater , blackstar rf woild hvae riepd my balss of if thjat m rotro siht get sout (yhouve gotta get wto what Im alluding)

anywya bene drinking akot real rough ewek fikcing laroes yeling at me, jusjt glad i didnt have to talkt o anynmof thej rela big opeople but woh knows awho long ill have this jobk

heyu look im can make e a PICTURe

HOLD ON I CAN TYPE O K WHEN I CLOSE ON OF MY EYES

LOOK AT THIS PIC OF COOL DOG

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Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:55 am

EnsO
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Joined: 28 Nov 2008
Posts: 205

landtuna wrote:

EnsO wrote:

see i have the opposite opinion. we only have limited resources working on these issues, so why waste valuable time and effort on the wrong tangents? brainstorming is all about throwing out ideas and seeing which ones are the most viable. it is not, however, a situation where ALL ideas receive the same treatment. everyone can not be right here or in any discussion on a debatable issue. even in brainstorming, ideas need to be weeded out at some point.

and btw, anyone is free to pursue whatever path they choose. who or what is stopping you? i have said many times throughout this ordeal that i have no idea if i'm right and hopefully my ideas may nudge someone in the right direction. pursue anything you like. but when you bring your ideas here and place them in the public realm for discussion, assume they will be discussed and not everyone will agree with you. as i said earlier, this is how hypotheses are handled. everyone is wrong until a final solution is found.

this is a "discussion board" is it not?

peace...

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:00 pm

Grue
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Joined: 03 Dec 2008
Posts: 23

Re: p. 27
still looking for an anagram

canebrake wrote:

Most of the anagrams you get out of the letters on p. 27 are senseless, but I did come across this one:

GROW YOUR FAMILY TREE; WORK IN THE SUN

I almost had this anagram too. I was trying to match that Voltaire quote with "Grow your family tree in the ...", but your version seems to be the best so far. ZIP codes idea is also brilliant, the fact that Peoria zip code appears in it cannot be a coincidence. If we assume this is a sequence of 6 zip-codes, it could be doable even with the missing digits. Then connect the dots to reveal a secret.

EDIT: I was thinking how to modify this anagram so that all zip-codes would be arranged correctly. The phrase "YOUR FAMILY" could translate to 1008065-90, which corresponds to New York, NY and Springfield, MO.

We also have "WORK IN THE" corresponding to Peoria and Louisville, KY. All that's left is to fill the gaps.

EDIT2: Here is another funny one: "WHEN M-ROTOR WING FAILS, YOU'RE TURKEY". Also another idea: something involving "Treasure Hunter M".

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:40 pm

Zeek17
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Joined: 06 Dec 2008
Posts: 4

Heya, first post, first ARG...yada, yada, yada. Been lurking here for almost a week.

FeloniousDrunk wrote:

teufelsdrochk wrote:

Mwe (meters of water equivalent) and GeV_mu (muon energy in giga electron volts) would work for x and y if the abscissa were, say, the power of a fission power plant nearby, and the mantissa were the energy of observed muons. The quoted table is saying that you observe x number of cosmic ray muons at y energy for a range of different detectors (edit actually E_mu is probably a flux of some kind). Please quote the article. It's up in the left hand side.

As for the table in the booklet, my vote is nonsense or code. Physics isnt helpful.

How did you find this again? My google search doesn't turn it up.

And, why do you say the numbers in this table and those in the booklet match 'perfectly'? I don't see a match at all.

What do you mean "it's up in the left hand side"? It's a pretty long and dense article and I don't want to anger EnsO and synspark any more by quoting it, but the PDF link (http://www.citebase.org/fulltext?format=application%2Fpdf&identifier=oai%3AarXiv.org%3Ahep-ex%2F0303007) works.

The google search was for "muon gev 150 226 273 304 324" (no quotes).

The numbers do match perfectly, it's the third column of the article's Table 2 for the values of 1~5 km.w.e.

Just to clarify, I'm not saying the body of the table on p. 26 has anything to do with physics at all -- although I did find another source for the 3 6 9 15 27 line that related that sequence to the orbital spacing of Jupiter's moons -- just that the source of the mwe's and the first line GeV's is from some sort of muon physics article.

I followed the link that FeloniousDrunk posted above and something struck me about some of the graphs in the .pdf and how it was similar to the "A long walk" pn pg 27. Did a little work on it in Photoshop and came up with these.

They are similar but not exact when you change the ratio of the graph, but I'm at a loss of what to make of it so I'm throwing it out here in hopes it might make sense to someone else.

It does fit with the comments about looking at things from a different angle though.

Zeek

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 4:17 pm

Beeswax
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Joined: 03 Dec 2008
Posts: 25

scotty2012 wrote:

Quote:

Great work Scotty,

My translation into "sober",

Quote:

Scott,
You know I'm so sick of those goddamn tables. FUCKING LEWIS ruining my goddamn life. It's that fucking SECOND TABLE that almost got me fired; I mean the first table will be important eventually I guess, but the SECOND fuck, fuck, FUCK! Those fucking empty cells and all out of order. Thank god Walter put that shit on the Internet incomplete, that's the real heart of the fucking matter, Blackstar rf(sic) would have ripped my balls off if that M-Rotor shit gets out (you've got to get what I'm alluding to).

Anyway been drinking a lot, real rough at work, fucking Laroes yelling at me, just glad I didn't have to talk to any of the real big people, but who knows how long I'll have this job.

Hey look I can make a PICTURE.

HOLD ON I CAN TYPE OK WHEN I CLOSE ONE OF MY EYES

LOOK AT THIS PIC OF COOL DOG

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Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 4:34 pm

Relogger
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Joined: 06 Dec 2008
Posts: 8

Re: replies to random thoughts

NotMeAtAll wrote:

I played around a little bit with this. I don't think that necessarily an order should be imposed with all the missing pages, so I experiemented with the themes of each page instead.

0-1 I assumed the 'start' referred to the unnumbered page before 1 and one, since the title is 'introduction'. This also doesn't change the orientation of the map which does seem to place North as 'up'.

2-3 These pages are reminiscent of a school book to me (history, a poem?) so I applied the 'school days' arrangement. What's significant is that it rotates the stegosaurus relative to the triceratops... even if I've got the wrong rotation the compass on pg 8-11 has them next to each other. Another possible placing item is the volcanoes, if you wanted to saw that the ice-volcanoes near Duluth were involved.

8-11 (missing part of page 9/10) I used the "Almost Right" set up for two reasons. The paragraph from the bottom of 9, if slid up next to the one on the right is about the size as the one on pg 8, but the words don't end up lining up very well anyway. The compass on 8 gets rotated so that Stegosaurus is up, and points down (south?)

16-17 I used 'New Feeling' to go with Arrival/New Pace (and talk about feelings on 16) If this accomplishes anything it turns the result on the dice from 4/4 to (maybe) blackstar (1)/5.

26-27 This is the worst set of pages to rotate because it alters how those tables might overlap. I would use 'second gear' because of the mechanical references but I think it's getting too complicated at that point.

The rest of the pages don't seem to change much when turned, so I didn't work with them.
Maybe this isn't the right tact to go about with the Dark Dollars but I thought it was a good idea!

btw, I've been lurking for a few days. First post, first ARG, etc. (Hi all!) After quite a bit of searching I've read through the different threads so hopefully I don't overlook something blatantly obvious!

edit: fixed doule quote

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 4:38 pm

FeloniousDrunk
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Joined: 05 Dec 2008
Posts: 37

Zeek17 wrote:

Heya, first post, first ARG...yada, yada, yada. Been lurking here for almost a week.
I followed the link that FeloniousDrunk posted above and something struck me about some of the graphs in the .pdf and how it was similar to the "A long walk" pn pg 27. Did a little work on it in Photoshop and came up with these.
[...]
They are similar but not exact when you change the ratio of the graph, but I'm at a loss of what to make of it so I'm throwing it out here in hopes it might make sense to someone else.

It does fit with the comments about looking at things from a different angle though.

Zeek

I like it. Actually I suspect there's another paper out there with the same data, different graph (the paper I found is I think based on simulation data, maybe there's another with experimental data out there that would give a "messier" graph like on p.27).

I've also made a couple improvements to my anagrammer tool: I duplicated the p. 26 table just for reference, and you can now save your good results for everyone to share. I had to do a little PHP for it though, so the new link is http://hosted.xamai.ca/27.php.

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 4:42 pm

SubGothius
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Joined: 29 Nov 2008
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A long walk
Stand back: we're going to try SCIENCE.

Taking up my conjecture re: steganographic techniques, the fact that we have found a source for the "long walk" graph, which happens to be the very same source as the cross-axial scales on p.26, suggests to me that the graph itself is just more irrelevant filler.

In that case, the caption alone, "A long walk", is the real clue, which we have already applied to the map of cities. Following the constraints mentioned elsewhere (final arrival in Milwaukee preferably by the East gate, never arrive from the North), a "long walk" route goes: Wichita-Decatur-Milwaukee-Duluth-Decatur-Grand Rapids-Milwaukee (whatever that means!).

The symbols on the Dark Dollars and the copyright page are interesting, reminiscent of Tattwa cards and symbols:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tattva_vision

I wonder if Mike always being drunk lately is a hint that FeloniousDrunk is onto something? Very Happy

If it isn't the physics stuff, then it must be... the anagram solver? He did just confirm that table was all out of order.

I appreciate EnsO's larger point, that the Scientific Method involves gathering and looking at the data, deriving plausible hypotheses from it... and then trying our best to shoot them down until we find at least one that inherently resists the challenge. Science is not about trying to build the most support for our pet explanations, nor finding ideas that cannot be proven False; it's about finding explanations that could be proved False somehow, but when we apply that test using all the available data and reason at our disposal, we find that it remains True. We ask, "What would it take to disprove this explanation?" and then set about trying to do just that; if we fail to disprove it, the explanation is sound. Please take no offense when we try to shoot your ideas down; we're only testing them, trying to see if they have what it takes to remain standing.

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 7:08 pm
Last edited by SubGothius on Sat Dec 06, 2008 7:21 pm; edited 1 time in total

teufelsdrochk
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Beeswax wrote:

Quote:

awesome. I'll stare at this fig for a while.

Quote:

I called him up and asked him about Sector 21, Its apparently an important place, very vital to the future of the area but also VERY dangerous he said. Currently he said that there's not all that much to be said about the area though. He also stressed yet again the importance of teens traveling in groups of 3 or multiples of 3. He then stressed the number sequence "6 9 15 27" as numbers to travel in.

Mike says the sequence is important...it's a famous sequence in the OEIS. The remaining digits include:

3, 6, 9, 15, 27, 36, 51, 87, 135, 243, 315, 531, 735, 969, 1707, 2679, 3831, 6363 ...

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 7:15 pm

teufelsdrochk
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Re: A long walk
Stand back: we're going to try SCIENCE.

SubGothius wrote:

I appreciate EnsO's larger point, that the Scientific Method involves gathering and looking at the data, deriving plausible hypotheses from it... and then trying our best to shoot them down until we find at least one that inherently resists the challenge. Science is not about trying to build the most support for our pet explanations, nor finding ideas that cannot be proven False; it's about finding explanations that could be proved False somehow, but when we apply that test using all the available data and reason at our disposal, we find that it remains True.

yes, first and most important step is to stick your neck out. Or, as wiki sez, be bold.

akshully I'd say ARG's have more to do with constructivism than the scientific method (soft rather than hard science). McGonigal (tinyurl/2e45v3) has some real smart things to say.

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 7:32 pm

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