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[INFO] "Milwaukee: A Reasonable Haven" Informational Booklet
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MrCthulhu2U
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Big T wrote:


I have a hunch, like GMcG does, and my hunch is that extra information is going to get leaked out that's really going to help us solve this. I am beginning to believe that it's meant to be unsolvable. I'm crossing my fingers for a real-world drop where we find, say, the torn-out page 9 from the handbook (wouldn't that be awesome?), which will unlock a lot of stuff.


P.S. Pardon me if this was already mentioned - but has anyone tried the idea that the large numbers could help determine how many letters are in each word of the anagram (i.e. 10 words total, word "0" has at least 6 letters, word "1" has at least 2 letters, etc., with the dashes being all "7"'s or "wildcards")? I've been testing that theory, but no results so far. Anyone else go this route?



I don't think that's the case. We've been told by MLewis that we have everything we need in the book and while it's certainly possible the PM's will continue to nudge us in the right direction it seems as though the puzzle is considered solvable.

Re: your P.S., I haven't seen anything posted to that effect but that doesn't mean a whole hill of beans.

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regentswift
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 		Emphasis added:

Beeswax wrote:

Great work Scotty,

My translation into "sober",

Quote:
Scott,
You know I'm so sick of those goddamn tables. FUCKING LEWIS ruining my goddamn life. It's that fucking SECOND TABLE that almost got me fired; I mean the first table will be important eventually I guess, but the SECOND fuck, fuck, FUCK! Those fucking empty cells and all out of order. Thank god Walter put that shit on the Internet incomplete, that's the real heart of the fucking matter, Blackstar rf(sic) would have ripped my balls off if that M-Rotor shit gets out (you've got to get what I'm alluding to).

Anyway been drinking a lot, real rough at work, fucking Laroes yelling at me, just glad I didn't have to talk to any of the real big people, but who knows how long I'll have this job.

Hey look I can make a PICTURE.

HOLD ON I CAN TYPE OK WHEN I CLOSE ONE OF MY EYES

LOOK AT THIS PIC OF COOL DOG

/\____/\
|== ==|
| \_o_/ |
|
fuck


So that means that the dashes are empty cells.

I guess that settles that.

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 		I wonder if when in the correct order the empty cells indicate spaces in a sentence or phrase.
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MrCthulhu2U
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regentswift wrote:
Emphasis added:



So that means that the dashes are empty cells.

I guess that settles that.



He may just be decrying their un-fill-ed-ness vs. indicating they should be blank. As he seems to be ranting about the incompetence of execution, I'd wager there's supposed to be numbers in there.

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 		A question and a stab at a piece of the recap we/I need.
Atropanocturna wrote:
I wonder if when in the correct order the empty cells indicate spaces in a sentence or phrase.


What do you mean? The dashes are in the central "number" area of the squares. How would they feed into phrase spaces?

-=-=-=-

In order to start understanding the variations of ideas so we can maybe find the crack in the net of our strategies, I'm going to just lay out the broad outlines of some of the efforts so far. If this seems clear and other agree that this is a fair characterization, I'll put it over on the wiki. Others can/should do the same with the other efforts they see broad patterns in as well.

Effort Foo:

Find a TIMM-sensible phrase that is an anagram of the letters in the p27 table. Translate the letters into numbers+dashes. Then the dashes either give the number sequence some structure/meaning by themselves. Or, there is a pattern to the progression of numbers around the dashes that make it clear what numbers should replace the dashes, at which point, we can put the dash-replacers themselves in the squares and see if the order of them across the table makes those filled in numbers mean something else.

(Variation(s): allow use of letters from p26 table)

Maybe a stab at some strategy notation: Anagram -> numbers+dashes -> ((numbers+dashes mean something) OR (replace dashes with numbers -> place dash-replacers back in table)).

Can I get a yea/nay on this making sense? What about on it still remaining a viable/clear possibility (not "do you like it", but "is it still open")?

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regentswift wrote:
Emphasis added:

Beeswax wrote:

Great work Scotty,

My translation into "sober",

Quote:
Scott,
You know I'm so sick of those goddamn tables. FUCKING LEWIS ruining my goddamn life. It's that fucking SECOND TABLE that almost got me fired; I mean the first table will be important eventually I guess, but the SECOND fuck, fuck, FUCK! Those fucking empty cells and all out of order. Thank god Walter put that shit on the Internet incomplete, that's the real heart of the fucking matter, Blackstar rf(sic) would have ripped my balls off if that M-Rotor shit gets out (you've got to get what I'm alluding to).

Anyway been drinking a lot, real rough at work, fucking Laroes yelling at me, just glad I didn't have to talk to any of the real big people, but who knows how long I'll have this job.

Hey look I can make a PICTURE.

HOLD ON I CAN TYPE OK WHEN I CLOSE ONE OF MY EYES

LOOK AT THIS PIC OF COOL DOG

/\____/\
|== ==|
| \_o_/ |
|
fuck


So that means that the dashes are empty cells.

I guess that settles that.


does it though? i was of this thinking soon after reading this post. not so sure now. they could be "empty" cells because they do not require filling, or they could be "empty" because they have not been properly filled as yet.

i was also drawn to Russo's line of "finding the finer line of thought"...

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 		Re: A question and a stab at a piece of the recap we/I need.
NotMeAtAll wrote:

In order to start understanding the variations of ideas so we can maybe find the crack in the net of our strategies, I'm going to just lay out the broad outlines of some of the efforts so far. If this seems clear and other agree that this is a fair characterization, I'll put it over on the wiki. Others can/should do the same with the other efforts they see broad patterns in as well.


I posted on the main TIMM forum earlier today that I've started putting some things up on the puzzle page of the wiki. The four main puzzles have entries, though these are mostly placeholders right now, since we don't know anything.

Since I've been thinking mostly about the puzzle at the top of page 27 (which I'm now calling "Simple and Direct"), I've written up a guide to what I take to be the main going theories regarding that puzzle --- on the discussion page, though, so the main puzzles page only contains reasonably reliable information. Even on the discussion page, I've only included in compressed summary form what I think are the most promising and/or popular leads and theories. I'm not sure if this is the right place for it, but since the puzzle is so far from solved, I wanted to keep it off the main puzzles page.

Less is definitely more. These forums have so much clutter on them, people aren't reading them, so they end up adding more clutter, so people read even less, etc. The wiki won't serve its function if the same happens there.

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EnsO wrote:
regentswift wrote:
Emphasis added:

Beeswax wrote:

Great work Scotty,

My translation into "sober",

Quote:
Scott,
You know I'm so sick of those goddamn tables. FUCKING LEWIS ruining my goddamn life. It's that fucking SECOND TABLE that almost got me fired; I mean the first table will be important eventually I guess, but the SECOND fuck, fuck, FUCK! Those fucking empty cells and all out of order. Thank god Walter put that shit on the Internet incomplete, that's the real heart of the fucking matter, Blackstar rf(sic) would have ripped my balls off if that M-Rotor shit gets out (you've got to get what I'm alluding to).

Anyway been drinking a lot, real rough at work, fucking Laroes yelling at me, just glad I didn't have to talk to any of the real big people, but who knows how long I'll have this job.

Hey look I can make a PICTURE.

HOLD ON I CAN TYPE OK WHEN I CLOSE ONE OF MY EYES

LOOK AT THIS PIC OF COOL DOG

/\____/\
|== ==|
| \_o_/ |
|
fuck


So that means that the dashes are empty cells.

I guess that settles that.


does it though? i was of this thinking soon after reading this post. not so sure now. they could be "empty" cells because they do not require filling, or they could be "empty" because they have not been properly filled as yet.

i was also drawn to Russo's line of "finding the finer line of thought"...


Now re-reading it, the "all out of order" part is jumping out at me. Perhaps there's an underlying structure in that table that needs to be set before we can attempt to decode it. I'm not a crypto-nerd, so this is far from my area of expertise, mind you. But, I wonder if the table needs to be re-ordered in some way before it makes any sense to decode it...

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 		I am inclined to agree with you. I wonder if the 6 zeros might have something to do with it. they would all fit nicely down the lefthand side of the graph.
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 		re: the p26/27 pages, we managed to get the puzzle mentioned on this week's ARG Netcast... hopefully we'll get some more people involved, more heads connecting on this Wink
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thebruce wrote:
re: the p26/27 pages, we managed to get the puzzle mentioned on this week's ARG Netcast... hopefully we'll get some more people involved, more heads connecting on this Wink


Awesome! I can't wait to hear it, and especially the call!

fwiw, I took the p. 27 puzzle out of the context of the page for easier, less distracted staring:



Must...solve...last five cells!
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 		I don't have much experience with puzzles of this kind but I've given it my best shot. First, like most of us, I wrote down all the letters present and tried to make various sentences out of it. Then I wrote all the letters down multiplied by the number beside it ie 2H = HH and worked that. Then I tried a shift substitution ie 2H = two letters to the left or right so 2H is F or J and worked that. Then I tried adding the numbers and converting those to letters. Then I tried to think of words that would relate to the clues : grim tale, a long walk, after a nights rest. So I tried to think of Grimm fairy tales that involve sleep or trails and relevant words associated with them.

For instance:
Sleeping beauty - wheel, prick, sleep
Snow White - apple, seven, dwarf
Hansel & Gretel - trail, crumb, bread

But after two days of thinking (and even dreaming about this for Pete's sake!) my brain has turned to mush. I hope we get new info soon.

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 		Re: thoughts from a mechanical engineer
kid fay wrote:


I'm a mechanical engineering student so all this 'M-rotor' and 'spinning' instantly reminded me of electric motors....


I don't have anything new to add to this. I just wanted to say that your post is very close to what the hubby and I have been thinking (he's a chemist so he's the one who got me on the whole magnetism/radiation bent) and I just wanted to say that whether your theory pans out or not kudos on an interesting theory and thank you for posing it. It was very inciteful and illuminating Smile

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 		Ok I'm slightly unsure if this has already been posted but I just had to toss it out there.

As was said, if something is unclear, reread the tome, or from a different perspective.

Now moving on: Notice how, on the page with all the tables and information and whatno, the topic header is: "problems".
The next piece of the tome has the header: "solutions".

To me it seems like we're supposed to somehow use what's being said in "solutions" to decypher whatever is being said in: "problems".

Is it just me or does that make an insane amount of sense? I'm very new to this stuff so I'm not exactly sure where to begin but i'm gonna try reading between the lines on the "solutions" section to see if I can find anything of use. Basically I think the "solutions" page is the key to the encryption.

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 		pg27 upper table
I THINK I HAVE IT. if this or some slight variation of this is the answer (and I really think it is), enormous thanks goes to Pendragon4 for this post and I will love him/her forever: http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=585180#585180

I'm gonna copypaste from this page: http://hosted.xamai.ca/27.php , but you can't spoilertext code, so it doesn't line up.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
: SURELYYOUKNOWWHATIMREFERRINGTO
: 5062910122406026095830245_____


I haven't looked at the numbers yet.

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