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meanie_face2
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New page: http://www.signal4514.com/temple.html

Translation of spanish text:

"city of palaces."

at the top of the picture there is some small text that reads:

"we have to stop them."

"will die" may refer to the mayan calendar and the prophecy of the end of the world in 2012.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_calendar

EDIT: after researching I learned that "city of palaces" is the traditional name of mexico city. perhaps "will die" actually refers to a future event in the game? perhaps "we have to stop them" before it happens, but who's them?

PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:51 pm
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The pyramid looks a lot like the Pyramid of Kukulkan in Chichen Itza, Mexico.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:40 am
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Nighthawk wrote:
The pyramid looks a lot like the Pyramid of Kukulkan in Chichen Itza, Mexico.

I concur with you Nighthawk. - This IS Kukulkan. You can see the same cracks, marks/stains on the stairs etc when you compare the page http://www.signal4514.com/temple.html to this other reference pic: http://flickr.com/photos/archeonsd/2701574472/

Note: There is a plane in the upper right side of the pic above the temple as well, and it resembles the "Aristocracy" plane from this page: http://www.signal4514.com/airplane.html
which leads to this page of the L.A. skyline: http://www.signal4514.com/city.html

- We have to stop the Aristocracy (maybe?)
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Quote:
I concur with you Nighthawk. - This IS Kukulkan.


Well I know because I've actually BEEN there... Smile

And why does that "city.html" page remind me of THIS? Very Happy
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meanie_face2
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I read some of the text from the page Nighthawk linked; and I found this paragraph interesting:

The Temple of Kukulkan, the Feathered Serpent God (also known as Quetzalcoatl to the Aztecs) is the largest and most important ceremonial structure at Chichen Itza. This ninety-foot tall pyramid was built during the eleventh to thirteenth centuries directly upon the multiple foundations of previous temples.The architecture of the pyramid encodes precise information regarding the Mayan calendar. Each face of the four-sided structure has a stairway with ninety-one steps, which together with the shared step of the platform at the top, add up to 365, the number of days in a year. These stairways also divide the nine terraces of each side of the pyramid into eighteen segments, representing the eighteen months of the Mayan calendar. The pyramid is also directionally oriented to mark the solstices and equinoxes. The axes that run through the northwest and southwest corners of the pyramid are oriented toward the rising point of the sun at the summer solstice and its setting point at the winter solstice. The northern stairway was the principal sacred path leading to the summit. At sunset on the vernal and autumnal equinoxes, an interplay between the sun's light and the edges of the stepped terraces on the pyramid creates a fascinating - and very brief - shadow display upon the sides of the northern stairway. A serrated line of seven interlocking triangles gives the impression of a long tail leading downward to the stone head of the serpent Kukulkan, at the base of the stairway. Adjacent to the head of Kukulkan, a doorway leads to an interior staircase ending at a small and very mysterious shrine.

(Copy-pasted from Nighthawk's link, I underlined things I found important)

perhaps theres another monster coming, and its this feathered serpent.
and maybe its set to come out in 2012, the end of the world on the mayan calendar. (a picture of the mayan calendar is seen on the temple.html page, and the pyramid itself is a calendar, so obviously they wanted us to focus on that.)

EDIT:

"Quetzalcoatl and Kukulcan are thought by some enthusiasts for the writings of H.P. Lovecraft to be two of the inspirations for his character Cthulhu."

Pasted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quetzalcoatl

EDIT (AGAIN): More research indicates that quetzalcoatl was prophesised to return, no info on weather or not its supposed to happen in 2012, But the pyramid is both a shrine to quetzalcoatl and a calendar set to stop in 2012, so clearly sombody is implying something here, weather its true to the myth or just in-game.

EDIT (ANOTHER!): Remember this? : http://www.signal4514.com/19-9-7-14-1-12_4514.html Smile

so its not 2012, its 05/22/2009

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:47 pm
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IXBalam
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Mexico

Hi.
I-ve been reading this thread and going through the puzzles as a practice for myself, with great interest.
However, i feel that i must write up. It may not be too revealing IG, but I-d like to correct something culturally important.
The stone seen in http://www.signal4514.com/temple.html is not the Mayan calendar, as stated by some posters and the signal4514blog. It is a calendar indeed but from a whole different Mexican culture, the Aztecs. This confusion is a common misconception by many foreigners and thus, a pet peeve for most Mexicans.

As usual, it is so easy to connect the dots in the sky and believe we have seen a pattern.

However, Kukulcan (mayan deity) is certainly associated with Quetzalcoatl (Aztec deity), the feathered serpent, also certainly prophesized to return (although maybe covered by the arrival of the Spanish conquerors.)

The mayan calendar certainly changes cycle on 2012, and the face glyphs seen on http://www.signal4514.com/19-9-7-14-1-12_4514.html certainly resemble symbols from the mayan tzolkin calendar, but the Aztec calendar seems to be radically out of context, except for the fact that both cultures were located in mexico.
I really wonder if the PMs have something bigger out of both cultural symbols, or if its just a cultural mash-up…

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IXBalam
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Now… if you wanna play the connect-the-apocalyptic-dots game, we can say also that the AZTEC calendar seen in the stone one temple.html talks about several ages of men-s existence, that have come to be and have been destroyed cyclically. Each of these ages, "soles" or Suns came to an end in an apocalypctic fashion. According to most, we are now on the 5th sun.
The flux of these Suns is attributed to Quetzalcoatl. The first world, for instance, a world under the symbol 4-water, was destroyed by a great flood and in which all men were turned to fish ocean creatures…
Food for thought.

Also, psysops, thats a good and broad covering of things! a comment, the word "tromba" in http://www.signal4514.com/phone.html is referenced in spanish, rather than italian. In spanish it means a kind of rainstorm, usually referring to intense, sudden and unexpected rainstorms during rainy season. water... water.



Alright, enough of that for the night, greetings. Hope I can be of help to any of you. Smile

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Souzousei
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There was me thinking this ARG had died! Apparently not...

I'm going to go back to monitoring the Radar every day/few days for updates there. Probably look more into the bacteria pic and see how that ties in with the mythology we've got at the moment (Mayan/Aztec). Also, anyone think it'd be worth looking into Tromba more? Think we got our link with the waterspouts though (potential omen that the creature is arrising?).

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meanie_face2
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Thanks for clearing that up, IXBalam. I'm not very familiar with Mayan or Aztec mythology, so please forgive me for any misinformation. When I was researching I had alot of trouble finding any sites that really gave me any good info on what I was looking for. I knew that Quetzalcoatl was an Aztec god, But the mention of both of them in the paragraph from earlier made me think that perhaps In-game Kukulkan and Quetzalcoatl were the same creature, but each culture had interpreted it differently. I probably should have been more careful which god I was referencing anyway to have avoided confusion. Smile

Also, I'm glad you cleared up the symbols as well; when I wen't looking for the link to that page it occured to me that no one was really sure what the symbols meant, they had just accepted the date from the E-mail as the date shown, so I researched Mayan (and Aztec, when that didn't work) calendar symbols, and I could not find any symbols really resembling them (plus both calendars work completely different than the gregorian way, so there would have been many more numbers).

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IXBalam
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MeanieFace, no prob Smile
I am not sure the PMs are actually making a distinction between mythologies. i wonder if we have any reference to this.

You may be right. Quetzalcoatl and kukulkan are equally useful. Certainly different, but parallel deities, meaning their symbologies are useful for this game. If they were different creatures, they both have parallels, if they are the same, they may be interpreted differently in both cultures. In any case, we have an interesting potential mythos. Also.. one could certainly say this matches Chthulluh.

But... i have one question. does anybody have a hint as to what is this ARG actually promoting?

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meanie_face2
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Nobody knows so far (at least I don't think anyone does). For a while we thought it might be the new Cloverfield 2 viral, but its very unlikely (in my opinion), especially with the latest puzzle.

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IXBalam
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Souzousei, I do think that tromba is a peculiar choice of spanish wording. Like I mentioned, it is a very specific, dramatic, sudden and generally unexpectedly intense rainstorm, at least in the form of spanish that i am used to. I would not daresay that it is an intentional choice over other sorts of "storms" such as "tormenta" or "chubasco" (one being more expected, the other one being milder than tromba)

meaniface, and all,
Another question regarding the numbers... do we know for sure the value of the mayan numeral date? at the start of this thread its presented as 'unsolved' :
degravedi wrote:

because of the sheer volume of information, anything unsolved is marked in blue.
There is a jpg here that when filled says "The Ž is awake." Ž is thurisaz from the runic alphabet and means "giant/monster", so "The giant is awake." There are also what look like mayan symbols with a 22 inbetween. Maybe the date again? -- 5.22.2009


and then psysop said:
Psysop wrote:

I agree that these symbols are Mayan Head Numerals. Mayan head numerals tend to be stylized based on the sites you are researching, but I compared the most obvious site to look at HERE with the image and I think the image translated is: 5.22.09
The only discrepancy I have is the first Mayan symbol (5) appears to be represented as the single toothed jaguar (usually represents #8 I think?). However, I have seen on multiple other sites this representation as #5 as well. Regardless, its pretty obvious to me you are correct, so until proven otherwise I think the assumption is good Cool


Now, I also assume its 5 22 09 because of the relevancy to the original youtube video signal. but, truth be told, if we base ourselves on the "_.jpg" image, can we really tell apart the head glyphs.
psysops mentions a table with glyphs, I can also bring out that there are several variations on the numbers, look at http://members.shaw.ca/mjfinley/num1.gif http://members.shaw.ca/mjfinley/num2.gif and http://members.shaw.ca/mjfinley/num3.gif can we really say that the numbers we are looking at are 5,0 and 9?

I'm not saying we are wrong, 52209 seems logical, i'm saying mayan head glyphs are tricky to differentiate visually.

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meanie_face2
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I was talking about the symbols a few posts up, too. I'm glad you found some good links; when I researched the symbols myself I couldn't find any resembling the symbols from that page. I'll take a look at the links you have and try to see if I can decifer the date.

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meanie_face2
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I made a jpg to show you guys what I found:

http://s720.photobucket.com/albums/ww201/meanie_face2/?action=view&current=SIGNALDEAD.jpg

I'm not sure if that last symbol is right, but it was the closest one to the games' symbol. If it is then I was right about it being 2012. none of the symbols for nine really resembled it at all. It would have to be a double digit number anyway, because the symbol before it is 20, rather than zero--the year would be shown fully, rather than the last two digits.

Pictures used were from the ARG itself and IXBalam's links.

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Another Africa blip is active...

Ok so the blip off the coast of Africa is now active (near Sierra Leone/Liberia). Takes you to this page:
http://www.signal4514.com/x.html (pic "X.jpg" is at: http://www.signal4514.com/pics/x.jpg)

The red helicopter looks like a coast guard chopper. The dude is wearing a bio suit with hands exposed and what appears to be a Russian (GP-5) mask.

The symbols on the bottom got me attempting to forward slash the URL and I got nothing out of that (feel free to check). But the following link WEBDINGS CHART shows that the symbols along the bottom of the pic translate to the following lower case characters: spores
See SPORE REF

I fiddled with the image levels and didnt see anything out of the ordinary (again, please check). - Im going to mess around with this some more later on...
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