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[39C] The 39 Clues
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katsmom
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 		Ah, but is the man in black trying to kill them...or...help them? We really don't know the role of the man in black yet. MacIntyre didn't tell them to beware the man in black, he said beware the Madrigals. Just because the man is wearing black doesn't mean he is a badie. We are conditioned to fear the unknown, and if there is a mysterious person following you all dressed in black you would be afraid of him. But some of the most famous (or should I say infamous) men in black were really quite docile, helpful and genuinly nice people....For example, Johnny Cash and Zorro! Can't get anymore "Man in black" than those two, and both of them were great helps to humanity.

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aliceinwunderland
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 		Men in Black
katsmom wrote:
some of the most famous (or should I say infamous) men in black were really quite docile, helpful and genuinly nice people....For example, Johnny Cash and Zorro! Can't get anymore "Man in black" than those two, and both of them were great helps to humanity.
And then there is the MIB like the movie... you know the ones that are more or less "cleaners". I wonder if that could be the purpose of our "man in black". The general population can't be allowed to know about the 39 Clues, right? Perhaps MIB are there to make sure that the messes made by clue hunters are cleaned up. What do you think... is it plausible?

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EKAT01
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 		Re: Man In Black
I think that the man in black is Fiske Cahill, and that he is there because Grace knew where he was the entire time he was missing (With McIntyre or something), and she told him to watch after Amy and Dan when she was dead.

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 		Re: Man In Black
EKAT01 wrote:
I think that the man in black is Fiske Cahill...
she told him to watch after Amy and Dan when she was dead.
Yes, we have had that suggestion here previously. I agree that it is a likely twist that the MIB turns out to be Fiske. Regardless of whether the MIB turns out to be Fiske or not, I believe that he is a benevolent presence. Though he stays in the shadows, etc, I think he will turn out to be good and help A&D and will not be revealed to be evil or harm them in any way.

And since I am rehashing the Fiske as MIB theory, I might as well serve up some more trout. I don't agree with the idea that the MIB is a Madrigal. It doesn't really mesh with the theory that Fiske is the MIB. I prefer the theory that the MIB is not a madrigal, but we really don't have enough info on either to make the distinction. Perhaps that's the reason that some ppl want to make the MIB a Madrigal -- both are shadowy figures.

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 		Re: Man In Black
The Shadow
aliceinwunderland wrote:
Regardless of whether the MIB turns out to be Fiske or not, I believe that he is a benevolent presence. Though he stays in the shadows, etc, I think he will turn out to be good and help A&D and will not be revealed to be evil or harm them in any way.


The Shadow Old-time Mystery Radio Show
One of the most popular radio shows in history debuted in August 1930 when "The Shadow" went on the air.

"Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? The Shadow knows!" The opening lines of the "Detective Story" program captivated listeners and are instantly recognizable even today. Originally the narrator of the series of macabre tales, the eerie voice known as The Shadow became so popular to listeners that "Detective Story" was soon renamed "The Shadow," and the narrator became the star of the old-time mystery radio series, which ran until 1954.

A figure never seen, only heard, the Shadow was an invincible crime fighter. He possessed many gifts which enabled him to overcome any enemy. Besides his tremendous strength, he could defy gravity, speak any language, unravel any code, and become invisible with his famous ability to "cloud men's minds." Dunno

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 		Frankenstein
The Modern Prometheus
Since I have never read Frankenstein, I started listening to the audiobook on a recent long drive. I was looking for some sort of connection to other aspects of The 39 Clues. At the risk of dating myself quoting the Blues Traveler song "Run Around": "as we seek so shall we find ." I always find something. Wink

    Early in the book, Victor Frankenstein is chasing the monster in the Arctic on a sled (a la the Iditarod).

    The term "Modern Prometheus" was originally coined by Immanuel Kant and referred to Benjamin Franklin and his then recent experiments with electricity.


A few other things that I found in my research:
    The publishers mentioned in Stolen Archive file 13: Secret correspondence between Mary Shelley and her publisher were the actual publishers of the original Frankenstein. Apparently, Shelley re-wrote Frankenstein in 1831.

    Prometheus was the Titan who created mankind. He also secretly took fire from heaven and gave it to man.

    Prometheus Unbound is a four-act play by Percy Bysshe Shelley (husband to Mary Shelley) first published in 1820.

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 		You know, the more I think about it, the more it seems like the evidence points to Amy and Dan as Ekats.

Amy is heavily bookish while Dan experiments with almost everything he can get his hands on. We've also got Dan's photographic memory, ability to solve problems of any sort (which seems to be based off his math prowess) and then Amy's got this impressive ability to absorb tons of information (which is similar to Hermione from the Harry Potter novels actually) and both of them seem to have the natural talent for the clue hunt. Even their interests line up with jobs that have been listed as Ekat based.

Of course...since there is so much evidence so early I'm highly mistrustful. Smile
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 		maybe...
I agree with you, but as I've said, and i KNOW this is TROUT, The video at Wikibruce might show Dan as a Thomas and Amy as an Ekat., but you should look back at earlier entries for all of those comments and theorys. Wink

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 		Merry Christmas
Totally off topic, but MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!

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 		MERRYCHRISTMAS
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 		It's Christmas morning here, Relatives came over yesterday and we opened presents. I opened my 39 clues page this morning when I woke up, and sadly Santa didn't give me the 4 missing cards Crying or Very sad

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 		Re: Man In Black
EKAT01 wrote:
I think that the man in black is Fiske Cahill, and that he is there because Grace knew where he was the entire time he was missing (With McIntyre or something), and she told him to watch after Amy and Dan when she was dead.


Can you explain how Grace knew where Fiske was? I don't see it in the books or on line.

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 		Re: Man In Black
katsmom wrote:
EKAT01 wrote:
I think that the man in black is Fiske Cahill, and that he is there because Grace knew where he was the entire time he was missing (With McIntyre or something), and she told him to watch after Amy and Dan when she was dead.


Can you explain how Grace knew where Fiske was? I don't see it in the books or on line.


If you believe Fiske is the MIB, raised and loved by his closest relative, his sister Grace, then she is the only one that could possibly know where he is at. The Cahill house had alot of hidden rooms. We only know of the hidden library, but there has got to be more. Ch. 1 MOB, my opinion, suggests MIB knows his way around the house and knows exactly what is going on with Grace's death. It is obvious to me Wm. Intyre knows him and has for a long time. They appear to be friends to me & concerned about Amy & Dan in their search for the 39 Clues.
I can't find anything that the MIB or Madrigals are dangerous, killers,etc. "Beware" seems to be a key word associated for Madrigals, but I get "warning" when I think of the word. Good? Bad? I don't know.

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 		[quote="morbus"]
[*]"Trusting" the wiki: Finally, if you don't "trust" the wiki, then you're trusting your own laziness. Everyone can edit the wiki.

You wrote good stuff, but when you referenced the "wiki's" you hit a sour note with me. Yes, I don't trust the "wiki's". "Wiki's" have problems! There's no monitoring, security, & yes ANYONE CAN EDIT (including my 7yo son). That's not good! Now I've noticed cards 413 & 416 being described as "physical" for over 1 & 1/2 months on wikibruce. So I'm not the only lazy asshat(whatever that is) in this forum or elsewhere. I changed this data today, after more than 1000's+ hits. So I'm not alone. What I believe is, like me, that very few of us know what a "wiki" is! There's more problems with the "wiki's" & it has nothing to do with laziness on our part. We're just a bunch of itterate computer junkies who for many reasons are into the 39 Clues. You're arrogance is distracting you're goodness! Don't demean us & don't expect us know what you know. We're having fun & that's the way we like it.

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 		Madrigals & MIB
The Madrigals & MIB, at this time to me, seem to be 1 & the same. There appears to be no danger from either. I would have to include McInyre since he has been the the only person who has spoken to MIB. Their conversations tend to me to believe they are watching out for the Amy & Dan. I don't know how to explain it, but I sense the Madrigals/MIB to be somethng like a "refefee" or a "clues watcher". Someone who knows where the clues are, they are safe, and to make sure they are found by those who provide the best means of "goodness" to all. It's just a guess!

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