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SoCalSteve
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Cypher This...
For wicked good code breakers

Here is a message I wrote using a method I developed for my brother. I believe it to be pretty much uncrackable, so I thought I'd post it to get some of the best code breakers around to give it their best try. A note to all, I am an Isis guy; you will see me posting on that forum. If you have any doubts in the validity of this post, please ask the Isis guys. This is not part of that puzzle or any other puzzle. My only goal is to see if I am as good at making codes as I think I am. Here goes...

Solve this:
1011000010110110101010111010011110101100101011101010011010101110101101001010111110101110101100101010001110100001101
0110110100100101110101010010110101100101101111011010110101001101100111010011010111000101000011010000110101011101010
101010000110100010101000111010111010110111101100101010111110100011101100101010001010101111101100101010010010101010

Depending on its difficulty, I may at some point post a reward.
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This is broken up into 3 lines in order to make it readable. Spacing has nothing to do with anything. I would suggest copying it to word and removing the breaks.


PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:42 pm
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I'd be really surprised if the first thing to do isn't reversing the ones and zeroes.
After converting that result to ASCII, you get what looks a lot like Dvorak created from ASCII, But it's not.
I can't make anything out as a simple substitution, either.
Applying a -4 or +27 ASCII ROT to the result gives a string that's all letters, but would need anagramming or is the input to yet another layer.
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pancito
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Just looking at big picture here. There are 344 individual characters, which is neatly divisible into 43 groups of eight. I thought we might want to look at a smaller set, like groups of 5, 6, or 7 but none off those divide evenly, and 4 only gives 16 possible combinations, so that means it was converted to binary as one of the last steps. You could do some bitwise operations, like rotating the binary or something, but that really gives too large a solution set, doesn't it? I mean inventing an uncrackable cipher is not that difficult. The trick is to keep the message short enough that the breakers don't have enough to work with. So you always have a trade off between security and usefulness, at least in the way we normally talk about ciphers here. Obviously there are ciphers out there that are both useful and functionally uncrackable. Try PGP for a starter. The question is, is it a method that's easy to remember and work? All that aside...

I'm going to start by agreeing with Rogi about the reversing ones and zeros and see where that leads. Doing that yields

OITXS QYQKP QM\^R [EZSH JVLYG ^^TU^ ]\QHM P\M]P M[U

And here's the ROT-4

KEPTO MUMGL MIXZN WAVOX JRHUC ZZPQZ YXMDI LXIYL IWQ

Frequency analysis shows B, F, S =0; A,C,D,E,G,H,J,K,N,R,T,V=1; O,P,Q,U,W,Y,=2; L=3; I,M,X,Z=4
The only double letter is ZZ. Repeating two letter combos = none.
The Vigenere Guesser came up empty.

So my guess is yeah, if it gets cracked it's because someone lucks into it. But you haven't proven it's uncrackable. Send us a 500 character message [or 12 43 character messages], assure us that the method is actually usable ["a series of well-defined steps that can be followed as a procedure"] and that special knowledge isn't required [i.e. that it's really a cipher and not a code. Link].

BTW, anything on the right side of the diagram below is pretty much beyond our usual purview. Even the rotor machines require that we get some clue as to the decryption key. We do classical ciphers here almost exclusively.
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TheIllustratedMan
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Yeah, an uncrackable code? Try this on for size:

300416444444456140360456468444412

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Split into groups of 3, subtract 12, divide by 4, convert dec->ascii.


It's incredibly easy to make a puzzle that's impossible without massive trial and error. It's incredibly easy to make a puzzle that solves without much thought. It's incredibly difficult to make a puzzle that can be solved in a logical manner with lots of work and thought.

When you make a puzzle, your goal is to have it solved. If you want people to solve it quickly, cool. But if you want a really tricky puzzle that people will have to work at in order to solve, you have to do just as much work as the solver will. You need to link steps in a logical manner, using some freely available knowledge and some esoteric knowledge that is led to by the steps.

If your goal is to create an impossible code, it's actually pretty arbitrary. Mine is on the simpler side of impossible (you can use a computer to just trial-and-error the hell out of it until you get something legible), but there is no logical way to solve it, therefore it's a terrible puzzle. There are algorithms that are pretty much impossible, but they could still be eventually solved, since in order to get any data back out of it there is a progression of steps to be taken. You need a crap-load of data to crack it, but it will always be possible.

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Anyway. Not trying to be a jerk, but pointless exercise on your part.
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SoCalSteve
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Good Point

Good Point Guys. Let me revise this and put it into a senario where i would actually be using it. i'll try to have it reposeted by close of business wednesday.

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