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[39C] The 39 Clues
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bluedawg
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 		Diamonds
I was intrigued by the Hope Diamond ... The Golden Fleece.
Here is an interesting website I found.
Scroll down the page to get to the many links (history + photo)
May not be so relevant but interesting, nevertheless.

http://famousdiamonds.tripod.com/famousdiamonds.html

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BEDOMII
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 		swe have another teacher! Welcome. Where does it say about the golden fleece? I only skim read it so I don't know
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WARNING: EKAT OF ENGLAND ON THE LOOSE!
EoE needs cards: all of card pack 2
I have copys of cards: 23,26,40,45,47,48(x2),50,51,54,55,56,57,64,66,68,70(x3),71(x4),72(2),73(x4).
For card pack1. if I can find them all

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katsmom
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 		Welcome aboard bluedawg. Laughing I think you are thinking up a task for your own students as you type. Me, I'm just the grammar checker. if my students ever really learned to use those computers they play on so much I'd be out of a job. Thank goodness they ignore half of what I teach them Wink


Parth, I don't think your theory has "been agreed on" But it has been hashed around a bit. We can keep speculating for a few more books I think.

And for the record, I think 39 clues should have it's own sub-forum. It would probably eliminate 133+ pages of posts.

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parth2024
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BEDOMII wrote:
Where does it say about the golden fleece? I only skim read it so I don't know


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In 1749 Louis XV had the diamond, now known as the French Blue, set into a piece of ceremonial jewelry for the Order of the Golden Fleece, which also featured a large white diamond and a red spinel, and was only worn by the king. During the reign of King Louis XVI and Queen Marie Antoinette the French Revolution erupted, an sometime between September 11th and September 17th, 1792, the royal treasury was looted and the Crown Jewels, including the French Blue, disappeared.


This is the only part I found relating to the golden fleece and Marie Antoinette from the afore-mentioned website. I don't think Hope Diamond has anything to do with the 39 Clues as the information seems highly irrelevant.

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 		whoa
i can't pass 2 day without reading the 3 or 4 pages appears
better keep up Flaming Nutter

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parth2024 wrote:
BEDOMII wrote:
Where does it say about the golden fleece? I only skim read it so I don't know


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In 1749 Louis XV had the diamond, now known as the French Blue, set into a piece of ceremonial jewelry for the Order of the Golden Fleece, which also featured a large white diamond and a red spinel, and was only worn by the king. During the reign of King Louis XVI and Queen Marie Antoinette the French Revolution erupted, an sometime between September 11th and September 17th, 1792, the royal treasury was looted and the Crown Jewels, including the French Blue, disappeared.


This is the only part I found relating to the golden fleece and Marie Antoinette from the afore-mentioned website. I don't think Hope Diamond has anything to do with the 39 Clues as the information seems highly irrelevant.

i think someone said something about the hope diamond...
aha here is it(maggie did it)

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#14: Imposters - Janus (see 24)
Jeanne (de Valois-St. Remy) needs to hold her head like the Queen

Count Alessandro Di Cagliostro (AKA Giuseppe Balsalmo) 18th C Janus agent, alchemist, expert forger. Best known for affair with Diamond Necklace (AKA Hope Diamond). Believed helped try steal magnificant diamond Paris jeweller wanted sell to Maria Antoinette, Queen of France. may involved coaching young woman impersonate Maria for theft. Serious interest in French Crown Jewels ... no one will say why.

This is the card that has most intrigued me as it wasn't Jeanne who impersonated the Queen, but an actress/prostitute she hired to do the job.


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BEDOMII
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 		sorry i was on my ipod touch i got for christmas so i cant read EVERYTHING in everything.

and if it is related to 39c then he might just want it as it was a tomas agency by then and tomas colour is blue. also it is set with a red jewel so mayybe king+queen were tomas and lucian. also it will have no connection to hope cahill as hope is a ekat. and if you go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_39_Clues there is a list of all the 400 cards and there codes. they are missing 409 and 412 but i am now in the book fairs sweepstakes!!!!! whay hey!!! possibly even more cash!!!

EKATERINA will win

EDIT: only 18+ residents of the us can enter the Scholastic Book Fairs The 39 Clues Sweepstakes
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WARNING: EKAT OF ENGLAND ON THE LOOSE!
EoE needs cards: all of card pack 2
I have copys of cards: 23,26,40,45,47,48(x2),50,51,54,55,56,57,64,66,68,70(x3),71(x4),72(2),73(x4).
For card pack1. if I can find them all

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coocooboy
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 		Re: Greetings All!
Newbie here ...
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Bluedawg:coocooboy – Greetings …your timing was impeccable! I hope you emailed Scholastic and informed them that Arena 39 was not secure and could be infiltrated. Obviously they will see … but it is sometimes a good bet to inform them first and explain to them proudly … how. Get those tekkies working … You should be rewarded for finding and reporting the infiltration … braggart you … showing off your ekat traits. Wink

Lol i could be a double agent... Twisted Evil

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bluedawg
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 		Diamonds
Taken from : http://www.the39clues.com/cahillweb/article/i-like-useless-facts-order-of-the-golden-fleece

Order of the Golden Fleece

The Order of the Golden Fleece is a chivalric order founded in 1430 by Duke Philip III of Burgundy. At that time, Philip had the grandest court in Europe. Which meant he had the BEST art and the SHINIEST bling! Philip started the Order so he could give titles and honors to powerful nobles throughout his kingdom and ensure their loyalty.

At first, the Order was limited to Philip's twenty-four most trusted advisers. Over the years, the distinguished honor was given to many more, including Henry VIII of England, Philip II of Spain, and Louis XIV of France. Louis XIV was so proud of being in the Order of the Golden Fleece that he had one of his crown jewels, the French Blue Diamond, set in a pendent he created for the Order. The French Blue was later renamed the Hope Diamond. I heard that Louis used the knights of the Order of the Golden Fleece to protect the diamond. There was something really special about it. I think it hid some sort of secret.

In 1700, the Order was divided into the Austrian Order and the Spanish Order following the split in the Hapsburg royal family. Some say the Austrians didn't want to be a part of the Order because it was becoming a secret spy organization. No one is sure when exactly, but sometime in the 1600s, a powerful dynasty took control of the Order and began to use it for themselves.

Here is another website on the Order of the Golden Fleece
http://www.antiquesatoz.com/sgfleece/index.htm

Back to Diamonds …

From Gemstones: http://famousdiamonds.tripod.com/hopediamond.html

The 45.52 carat steel blue Hope Diamond was found in India back in remote times as a rough crystal weighing 112 carats. It first came to light when Jean Baptiste Tavernier, the noted French traveler of the 17th century, was approached in India by a slave who had a very secretive manner about him.

The legends of the ill-fortune following the possessor of the Hope Diamond are many. From the start Louis XIV, for whom Louisiana was named by La Salle, who claimed the lower Mississippi in his name, (and was killed by his own men) had ill-fortune follow him, perhaps deservedly. Other wearers of the jewel at the Court of France might well have given credence to the legendary curse. Princess de Lamballie, and Marie Antoinette whole followed, both were guillotined during the French Revolution.

The diamond disappeared, and for many years it was not heard from at all, but in 1830, a large steel blue diamond of a different shape, and weighing only 44.50 carats appeared on the market in England was purchased by Henry Thomas Hope, an English banker. It was later inherited by a descendant, Lord Francis Pelham Clinton Hope. His wife, formerly a prominent American actress, May Yohe, and a stage star at the beginning of the 20th century, ran away with another man. She died in Boston, Mass., in 1913, practically penniless and forgotten.

*In 1749 Louis XV had the diamond, now known as the French Blue, set into a piece of ceremonial jewelry for the Order of the Golden Fleece, which also featured a large white diamond and a red spinel, and was only worn by the king. During the reign of King Louis XVI and Queen Marie Antoinette the French Revolution erupted, and sometime between September 11th and September 17th, 1792, the royal treasury was looted and the Crown Jewels, including the French Blue, disappeared.

Other interesting facts …

The Hope Diamond served as the model for the lost jewel in the movie Titanic and has a history dating back to the 17th century.

It is classified as a type IIb diamond, which are semi-conductive and usually phosphoric. The Hope Diamond phosphoresces a strong red color that lasts for several minutes after exposure to short wave ultra-violet light and the diamond's blue coloration is attributed to trace amounts of boron in the stone.

Taken from a Smithsonian search: Smithsonian search for hope diamond.
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This next info involves Agent: Lilya Chernova -- Card #24.
No surprises that Lilya is an Ekat.
Notice the necklace she wears around her neck and her comments.

http://www.the39clues.com/mycards#page=1/cardID=24
http://www.the39clues.com/cahillweb/article/24-lilya-chernova
http://www.the39clues.com/cahillweb/article/Fashion-and-Fractions

The Dresden Green diamond looks more to me like the gem that Lilya is wearing –

*note: … "a scientific explanation for the phenomenom of green diamonds is needed. The green color is usually caused by the crystal's coming into contact with a radioactive source at some point during its lifetime, and in geological terms, this is measured in millions of years. The most common form of irradiation diamonds chance into is through bombardment by alpha particles which are present in uranium compounds or percolating groundwater." (taken from second paragraph)

Neither George I nor Frederick Augustus I purchased the green diamond; instead it was the latter's son, Frederick Augustus II (1733-1763) who became its first royal owner. He bought the Dresden Green from a Dutch merchant named Delles, at the Leipzig Fair in 1741. Various figures are given for the purchase price but the most interesting was found in a letter to Frederick the Great, King of Prussia (1712-1786), which states that "For the siege of Brünn, the King of Poland was asked for heavy artillery."

On orders of Frederick Augustus II, the court jeweler, Dinglinger, set the diamond in the Decoration of the Golden Fleece, but this setting lasted for only four years and was broken up in 1746. The king then commissioned the goldsmith Pallard in Vienna, to design another Golden Fleece incorporating both the Dresden Green and the Dresden White, a cushion-shaped diamond weighing 49.71 carats.

In 1806 Saxony became a kingdom and the royal line continued until 1918 when the last king abdicated. The contents of the Green Vault remained on display to the public until the beginning of World War II. In 1942 they were removed again to Königstein, thus escaping the shattering air raid by the Allied Forces on the night of February 13th, 1945 which devasted Dresden. Later that same year the Soviet Trophies Commission, which had made its headquarters in Pillnitz Castle near the center of the ruined city, took the contents of the Green Vault to Moscow, the Crown jewels being among the first items to travel there. They were returned in 1958.

http://famousdiamonds.tripod.com/dresdengreendiamond.html

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Then as previously mentioned The Imposters Card # 14 also ties in with the jewels. http://www.the39clues.com/mycards#page=1/cardID=14

Edit: shortened url - sapagoo

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bluedawg
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 		CIA - The World Factbook
Has anyone picked this up ... as I don't recall adding it to my notes, that Rick Riorden has a link to the CIA World Factbook right on his website ... just under the links ...visit the 39 Clues site and Scholastic Books ... hmmm.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/index.html

http://www.rickriordan.com/index.php/books-for-children/the-39-clues/

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wacaga
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 		EBAY CARD 60
Been watching Ebay, somebody just bought a 60 for $28. There's still 2 more available < than that. If I needed a 60 I'd probably bid up to $35. No I'm not a seller, it is < what it cost me to get my 1st 60.

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wacaga
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 		Re: Diamonds
This is good stuff Bluedawg. You just might have a connection here. Very interesting, but to much for me to digest tonight.

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Justlook'n
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 		e: camera codes
For katsmom: Laughing

294CFKXTX2

anything to help the cause Cool

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wacaga
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 		Re: Fiske Cahill is the MIB
Further evidence found to support this basis
parth2024 wrote:
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From this, I reinforce the idea of Fiske being the MIB, but, in my veiw, not a Madrigal.

I know this had been partially agreed on, but I just found further evidence to support the idea Very Happy


Fiske is MIB, I'm almost certain, but I'm curious as to why you don't believe he is a Madrigal. If he isn't, then he must belong to 1 of the 4 branches. Which 1? And here I go again, back to that Carnival Card again. That darn guy dressed & masked in black is a Cahill. I must admit, I don't know if he represents a combo of all 4 branches or he doesn't represent any. Since is he standing in the background, I believe the latter. That figure is a Madrigal dressed in BLACK & in the shadows & darkness - Just the way MIB & Wm. McIntyre like it.

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bluedawg
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 		Codebreaking
Lot's of fun stuff ... Scholastic is brilliant.


http://www.nsa.gov/kids/home.cfm

For help working on codebreaking diciphering skills and vice versa... Cool

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