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[Beeswax]

You may have a point about the 2s and I don't want to quash a potentially productive tangent, but to me

The 1 or | looks like the 1 on the previous page,
The 2s likewise - there are some twos in 27 and 2010 that look like zs
4 vs H - previous page 4s are done with 2 strokes and can't be H
5 vs s - the 5s have square tops, the lower s are smooth
6 vs G - previous 6s cross themselves, the Gs here don't (not 100% on this one)
p vs 10 - can't see this unless it's a deliberate subcoding
B vs 13 - can't see this either

In general handwriting from a single person will have a certain self-consistency which may be ambigous to others but will be consistent to the writer (eg. 4 H). Inspection should reveal the self-consistency that allows the writer to decipher their own writing.

It is possible of course that the characters are intended to mislead.

[BostonBeats4]

I have MM's actual diary (I feel like the keeper of a treasure) and it really looks like the Z's and 2's are very hard to tell apart...if they are even meant to be different. This one has me completely stumped

[chateauRat002a]

I totally think Z/2's and G/6's are confusing, the rest not really. I just got stuck on the idea that what if every letter also represents a number, or if there is some built in ambiguity on purpose (since the morse code had it's own kind of ambiguity with the figuring out character divisions, and the other one had ambiguity with 3's and NO's). Given that possibility TimeTraveller and I started deciding what each letter could be.

1=l, 2=z, 4=H, 5=s, 6=G, 7=T, 8=B might not be that hard to stretch. Alas it takes a lot thicker rose colored glasses to stretch F, f, p, and M into numbers.

Here's my symbol frequencies:

symbol count
F - 24
B - 16
2/Z - 14
p - 10
f - 8
6/G - 7
_ - 6
5 - 5
H - 5
T - 5
' - 4
s/S - 4
1/l/I - 3
M - 1

I exclude the possible period, thinking it's just a drop of ink.

I also looked for PROPAGANDA showing up, assuming no misspelling and a 1 to 1 translation, it's not in there (based on spacing of matching characters to represent P's and A's).

I see these patterns repeat in it:

22p2f x2
2p2 x3
Fp' x2
_FB x2
FFp x2
6B2 x2
'FF x2
FB5 x2

Also, in a hunt to search for where they symbols show up, it seems slightly coincidental with the names MTC, BS, FEBRIZZIO'S. We might have the letters for MT BS FBIZZI'S.

[another_pilot_dwn]

i noticed that to but feel like my head is against the wall on this one. having a friend look it over tonight over dinner... we all love this stuff and i am in a fog right now b/c of sick/meds. ;-p

[EnsO]

[Guest]

so im thinking there might be clues to the last cypher hidden in the video... if you look at the main MTC video at 6:30 you see the M and #1 symbols

[another_pilot_dwn]

@EnsO thank you lots...i hate being like this *blech*

@guest... i'll check it out.

I started doing all the letter/number combinations and i'm wondering if maybe there is something to the milwaukee margarita thing...I'll post more in the morning.

:edit: I remember now. We talked about the pennants with the M and #1 and discussed how they meant Milwaukee and how it was number one b/c it was inside a school. Also, I thought schools were rupture proof? The GoDSEEDS look like they go in to get the kids.... Looking around again in vid for other little things dealing w/Mars' book. now I'm curious...

:edit deux: have we tried inverting them? like the teens/sneet thing?
lso in the begining, when it look like it has been recorded over something, it's always bugged me that it says oh to miss spell then the CH124. I know its and hour/min/sec counter and the sp means speed of tape, but sp is a notation for a spelling error when proofing something. I have no idea on the channel reference yet. this was manufactured, and at this point, i think it might be relevant with Mars' misspelling ect.

[MrCthulhu2U]

What about using values from the 'Simple & Direct' table to transform the diary entry into hex values (or some other values) that are then convertible to something legible?

[Guest]

i tried hex before and got nowhere, i also tried rotation by ascii value in both directions by 64 chars and got nothing... looked in the other table and didn't really see anything but all that could be just me missing something

[atomicthumbs]

Remember how we were doing simple directed walks? Maybe we should try it again.

Anyone know a cryptologist?

[BostonBeats4]

[Pendragon4]

[Big T]

I had this awesome dream last night in which I figured out how to crack the code on this page (http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk31/Meropia/TIMM/marsbook-8.png). It was really elegant and really brilliant.

But, then after I woke up, I forgot to write it down, and alas I forgot the solution.

It's probably already been discussed, but I do think that, like the "3"'s and the "NO"'s in the first cipher, symbols could stand for more than one letter.

[Relia]

This puzzle is driving me nuts. I considered trying to use a telephone keypad to decipher it, but these are my results:
Key 1: Represented by "_"
Key 2: Represented by "B"
Key 3: Represented by "F"
Key 4: Represented by "G" and "H"
Key 5: Not represented (unless "l" is lowercase L)
Key 6: Represented by "M"
Key 7: Represented by "S"
Key 8: Represented by "T"
Key 9: Represented by "Z"
This leaves the following keys unassigned: *, 0, #
And the following coded alphanums unused: f,p,'
This also assumes everything that looks like a number is in fact a letter, i.e. all 2's are Z's, all 5's are S's, all 6's are G's.

I doubt this leads anywhere, especially since key 4 has two different letters that represent it, but with this puzzle I'll try anything once. XD

[Deanodon]