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another_pilot_dwn
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 		wierd. i have really old books close to that time and never noticed. thanks for the heads up.

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 		Kilmarnock Murders
Been doing a little google research, it would seem the murders were real. Two women were strangled to death at home and some things were stolen.

http://digitisation.jiscinvolve.org/2008/04/21/murder-kilmarnock-1807/

http://books.google.com/books?id=10INAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA214&lpg=PA214&dq=kilmarnock+murder+jean+alexander&source=web&ots=vtUEfRfzEq&sig=N00OGph4EdsNPsGFddZtpShCIpc&hl=en&ei=WgWLSfPOCJmatwfwm8WnBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result

Not really coming up with anything similar to it in present day articles, so maybe someone is about to die...

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 		Just catching up to the latest, and trying to answer a few questions.
@another_pilot - there is no difference between the 2 vids. The one I posted is simply better quality.

Prior to this information about Sara, I searched a couple of different White Wolf wiki's - and it came back with a couple of hits for "Sara" - but nothing that jumped out at me at the time. Now that we know she's a consort\Kindred tho - that might make quite the difference.

On the latest blog post, at the bottom it says:
Quote:
Time and place coincide - past, present, and future

Thing is - I'm not sure if it was posted to the blog, or if it's part of the "automatically generated" content, because it's in the same color/font/etc.
If it's not - I would suggest we start looking in Edinburgh, and more specifically at Kilmarnock (if we can find it).

I'll dig a bit deeper later when I have a chance.. Work calls. *sigh*

==EDIT==

I went back to find the "Sara's" I found earlier. The first link is for the search results for Sara:
http://tinyurl.com/abahgk
The 2nd is for the only Sara that I've found that makes sense:
http://tinyurl.com/bnozeq
And the 3rd is for the man who sired her:
http://tinyurl.com/apvq6z

I couldn't find any information about her being a Consort, but again if we're dealing with new canon - this might not even be relevant.

==EDIT 2 ==
One more edit - Kilmarnock actually exists in 2 places. Scotland and Virginia. The location in VA almost makes sense, as it would place it at least somewhat near Jonah's last location.

Random thought: What if Sara is Netchurch's consort? We know Jonah is looking for Netchurch, and Jonah is officially off the radar. If we can find Sara, we might not trust her - but she would know where Netchurch is, which in turn would eventually lead us to Jonah...

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 		Kilmarnock, VA might be a good place to investigate... Especially since the last caption on "t" was "Where is he?" Maybe he's in Kilmarnock, and we're supposed to try and warn him that Sara is coming? Not sure how to do that, though.

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jslice1001 wrote:
Kilmarnock, VA might be a good place to investigate... Especially since the last caption on "t" was "Where is he?" Maybe he's in Kilmarnock, and we're supposed to try and warn him that Sara is coming? Not sure how to do that, though.


definitely a good thought - but to be honest, I'm not sure what our objective is at this point. At first we were obviously trying to help Porter keep Jonah "safe". But now that Jonah has recovered his memories, for all I know it could be we're soon gonna see what Gehenna is all about.

The one thing we do know - is that we have to find Sara. But as far as I've been able to see - we have little to no information on her whereabouts/who she is. I started going through all of the information we've gotten so far, but haven't made it all the way through - I'm hoping theres other information in there.

Also - has anyone else noticed, that we have been "threatened" a few times now - and petunia, JonahFalcon, yochanan and TRodS have gone MIA? Very Happy

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 		I'm inclined to believe them when they say they aren't behind the curtain, so to speak. Although to be honest, I though Yochannan must have been, as quickly as he solved those codes. Razz

I think right now all we can do is wait for the next post and go from there...

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jslice1001 wrote:
I'm inclined to believe them when they say they aren't behind the curtain, so to speak. Although to be honest, I though Yochannan must have been, as quickly as he solved those codes. Razz

I think right now all we can do is wait for the next post and go from there...


Oh - Laughing I know they're not behind the curtain, was just having a bit of fun, cuz we haven't heard from them lately.

I was just reviewing some of the more recent stuff, and I don't think we've answered some of the more important questions yet:
1) The answer to the itinerary "He's lying". Who exactly is he?
a) There were a few comments added to the blogpost:
Quote:
who? Says:
Who is who?

a friend Says:
"Who" is a question asked more than "why", I'm finding.

which to me says, we still need to find out who "he" is. I've got 2 guesses at this point - it's either Porter or that Gangrel... Dunno

2)Sara - the big ugly pimple on our foreheads atm. We've gotten a few things naming her, wondering how she is, and advising us to run. But I haven't seen anything in all the previous posts - or anything else - that would lead us to her. Unless of course, all the stuff in the past, like the coordinates to the castle, and other "kloos" we've gotten that have made seemingly no sense....

Bang Head

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 		My Story Theory
Here is a general guideline to the story so far, as I understand it. Let me know if it makes any sense at all, or if there are things you disagree with.

I'm also working on a character compendium, do you guys want me to post that also? It could be edited as we figure things out...

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Jon was a normal person once. Not long ago, the Tremere used their Blood Magic on him, somehow transferring the essence of Jonah into him through a mix of magic and diablerie. The change in Jon was nearly complete, but the memories of Jonah were hidden underneath the host's original.

They did this because Jonah was powerful, and they feared that he was going to bring about Gehenna. The Camarilla want to kill him in his weakness and end the threat once and for all. The Sabbat want to use him in his weakness to make themselves stronger. The Conspirators know some secret, which is what I'm guessing the game is leading towards.

"But those who want to save the world may ruin it
And those who want to ruin the world may save it

It all depends on the blood
Whether it was born in the host
Or if it were placed there"

The Conspirators, who want to save the world, may destroy it by bringing on Gehenna.
The others may save it, by making sure it doesn't happen when Jon/Jonah is taken out of the picture.

I don't think the blood was "born in the host" thanks to the youtube video of the blood transfusion in r. However, it's obvious by the end that whatever they did to him, the blood is plenty powerful, and Jonah has been reborn, so to speak.


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 		Re: My Story Theory
jslice1001 wrote:
Here is a general guideline to the story so far, as I understand it. Let me know if it makes any sense at all, or if there are things you disagree with.

I'm also working on a character compendium, do you guys want me to post that also? It could be edited as we figure things out...

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Jon was a normal person once. Not long ago, the Tremere used their Blood Magic on him, somehow transferring the essence of Jonah into him through a mix of magic and diablerie. The change in Jon was nearly complete, but the memories of Jonah were hidden underneath the host's original.

They did this because Jonah was powerful, and they feared that he was going to bring about Gehenna. The Camarilla want to kill him in his weakness and end the threat once and for all. The Sabbat want to use him in his weakness to make themselves stronger. The Conspirators know some secret, which is what I'm guessing the game is leading towards.

"But those who want to save the world may ruin it
And those who want to ruin the world may save it

It all depends on the blood
Whether it was born in the host
Or if it were placed there"

The Conspirators, who want to save the world, may destroy it by bringing on Gehenna.
The others may save it, by making sure it doesn't happen when Jon/Jonah is taken out of the picture.

I don't think the blood was "born in the host" thanks to the youtube video of the blood transfusion in r. However, it's obvious by the end that whatever they did to him, the blood is plenty powerful, and Jonah has been reborn, so to speak.


I think you've got most of the salient points down. I think a lot of it at this point is conjecture - at least until the PM's fill in the rest of the story. A character compendium would be cool - to help keep them straight and whatnot.

BTW - Welcome aboard! Laughing

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 		For further information/insight/geewiz stuff:

You might want to research how the Tremere became a Clan. Wink
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ndemeter wrote:
For further information/insight/geewiz stuff:

You might want to research how the Tremere became a Clan. Wink


Was actually already reading a website, looking for more clear answers to Camarilla/Sabbat and so forth. The webpage is awesome, it keeps it simple and hits the important points. You can find the webpage here.

I've read about the Tremere in a few different places, and depending on who's writing the account it differs a bit in the beginning. But the essence is some Magi(mages) figured out how to become vampires/were sired. They combined they're knowledge of the arcane with diablerie, and vampirisim - which resulted in the development of Thaumaturgy (Blood Magic). I've been reading about them on the website mentioned above - as well as on Wikipedia. Good stuff.

@ndemeter - I wonder, do you remember a character named Sara? I'm sure you've been following - do you remember any lore that might help us?

==EDIT==
The part that really caught my attention, was the reference to the Comte de St. Germain. St. Germain has been a off and on again subject of fascination for me, for quite awhile. The fact that VTM references him, just endears it to me a bit more.. Worshippy

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 		We had a few Sara's but nothing that jumps out at me with this story.

The Tremere originally were a group of Mages (their leader was called Tremere) that captured and killed a Saulot, the progenitor of Clan Salubri (the vampires with the third eye). The irony is that Tremere vampires are typically aligned with the Camarilla which is completely against Diablerie yet they wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for that act.

During Gehenna we had a few tricks we threw out there. One was that all Tremere started slowly developing a third eye, betraying the secret they kept for ages. Also Saulot's soul, finally winning the struggle over Tremere's body, emerges and goes into a killing spree. Nasty stuff...

Anyways, if I think of a significant Sara I will let you know. Personally I was always partial to Theo Bell. Smile
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 		Hey there.. I'm still around. I've been very busy lately... also, I think the puzzle solving/code breaking stuff is what I get most into.. the story parts I enjoy reading, but don't usually feel like I have that much to contribute. Thanks for the story theory jslice - it makes sense to me..

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 		ok so the reply to my comment on U was that consorts existed in the middle ages bringing back to mind the picture and the castle...I feel like we've missed something

:edit: so I was thinking about the nod to the Dark Ages, and decided to look up the Dark Ages expansion, but can't get anywhere on the Wiki. There is a page for NPC interactive characters, but I can't access it.

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 		New blog post "16" is up:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
"Hello, Charles."
"Hello, Ms. Winterhouse. May I come in?"
"Of course you may."
"… stunning art collection. As always."
"Thank you, my dear. You like that one?"
"Oh, yes. It's a striking example of pre-Renaissance artwork."
"Hm, yes. It dates from the year 1388."
"You look sad, Ms. Winterhouse."
"Do I? I suppose. That year was a very… trying year."
"Oh. Him."


So based on what another_pilot mentioned on the post above, I did some googling.
Nothing useful googling "Dark Ages consort" or the year "1388"
Wikipedia shows a couple of things for 1388 - but again nothing relevant.
I did find a page by a few authors who freelance for WW - and have written several "Dark Ages" novels - but again, didn't see anything relevant. You find the website here.

Also no luck looking for a "winterhouse" with google or wikipedia.


==EDIT==
Glad to see you're still watching yochanan. I was just givin you guys a bit of a ribbing .. Wink

Also tried "consort 1388" with google .. found this..
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1388 Mary, Countess of Derby. Afterwards QUEEN CONSORT OF ENGLAND. Daughter of Humphrey (de Bohun), Earl of Northampton, K.G. Married Henry (Plantagenet), Earl of Derby, K.G., afterwards Henry IV, King of England.
At this website: http://tinyurl.com/c4g3hx


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