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marthajones
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IPP I2QIVOWP - LIVIP QH PNP'H PIWR J2WIPP2. PNP QH ILIU'H OQ2WR2QPVL. ILIU QH LIVIP'H JPHI R2QPVL.


Not really getting anywhere with the code (yet?). I'd bet on H=S and Q=I .

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 		Yeah I haven't figured out anythign yet...
Replacing the letters base don top/bottom of the Codex image produced

0VV 0KW0PUQV - 30P0V WZ VTV'Z V0QX 1KQ0VVK. VTV WZ 030O'Z UWKQXKWVP3. 030O WZ 30P0V'Z 1VZ0 XKWVP3.

Not great, but I report it just in case.

There is definitely a pattern though in the original text

Code:

IPP I2QIVOWP - LIVIP QH PNP'H PIWR J2WIPP2. PNP QH ILIU'H OQ2WR2QPVL. ILIU QH LIVIP'H JPHI R2QPVL.


IPP: WHat 3 letter word with the 2nd and 3rd letter being the same can be put at the start of a sentence ?

QH: maybe AM ? (could also be IS)
PNP = EYE ? Although E.Y.E. usually l;ikes to spell it E.Y.E. (with the dots)
PNP'H = EYE'M (based on the lprevious two lines)
ILIU is repeated in different sentences.. once followed by QH...

Hmmm...

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Olorin wrote:
IPP: WHat 3 letter word with the 2nd and 3rd letter being the same can be put at the start of a sentence?


Maybe 'ALL'?

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IPP: WHat 3 letter word with the 2nd and 3rd letter being the same can be put at the start of a sentence ?


I keep guessing "All", and it would tie in nicely with ILIU=?=ADAM, but that would leave most of the words ending with L ?? Shocked

Based on the sentences' pattern, I think it is an introduction and then a circle statement saying "A is B's ??. B is C's ??. C is A's ??."

But the rest??

Edited for mistakes, my mind is going awry.

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marthajones wrote:
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IPP: WHat 3 letter word with the 2nd and 3rd letter being the same can be put at the start of a sentence ?


I keep guessing "All", and it would tie in nicely with ILIU=?=ADAM, but that would leave most of the words ending with L ?? Shocked

Based on the sentences' pattern, I think it is an introduction and then a circle statement saying "A is B's ??. B is C's ??. C is A's ??."

But the rest??

Edited for mistakes, my mind is going awry.


'See' instead of 'All' ? Would make P (the most common letter in the coded text) be a substitute for 'E' (most common letter in English)... but I a substitute of S ?

As far as the sentence structure.. yeah, "A is B, B is C, C is A " would sort of match the triangle image, no ?

Code:

IPP I2QIVOWP - LIVIP QH PNP'H PIWR J2WIPP2. PNP QH ILIU'H OQ2WR2QPVL. ILIU QH LIVIP'H JPHI R2QPVL.
             - LIVIP IS EYE'S             . EYE IS ILIU'S           . ILIU IS LIVIP'S            .



But LIVIP is one letter longer than ADAM. It matches DANTE in length, but not in pattern.

Also, keep in mind that we've just seen a comment on Adam blog from EVE (same length as EYE so it could work in substitutions).

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Spoiler (Rollover to View):
THE TRIANGLE- DANTE IS EYE'S HALF ?????? EYE IS ADAM'S GIRLFRIEND. ADAM IS DANTE'S BEST FRIEND.


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natas wrote:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
THE TRIANGLE- DANTE IS EYE'S HALF ?????? EYE IS ADAM'S GIRLFRIEND. ADAM IS DANTE'S BEST FRIEND.


Spoiler (Rollover to View):

THE TRIANGLE- DANTE IS EYE'S HALF brother EYE IS ADAM'S GIRLFRIEND. ADAM IS DANTE'S BEST FRIEND.


But how did you get to that translation ?

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 		indeed after double checking my work it is brother.

it is only simple substitution, but the PM's doubled a few of the letters on accident

I's are both a's and t's for some weird reason.

double p's are "HE"

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 		Substituting some of the Is for 1s, maybe. Might just have been a bad choice of font there.

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natas wrote:
indeed after double checking my work it is brother.

it is only simple substitution, but the PM's doubled a few of the letters on accident

I's are both a's and t's for some weird reason.

double p's are "HE"


Nice.. although I think we should consider

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

THE TRIANGLE - DANTE IS EVE'S HALF BROTHER. EVE IS ADAM'S GIRLFRIEND. ADAM IS DANTE'S BEST FRIEND.


based on the story so far and the info from Adam's blog...
Also, it tells us something without really telling us how to find Dante (which seems to be the first task at hand once TSO will feel we have enough people)... which seems perverse enough Wink

Add-on:
Also, if they are half siblings.. it means they don't necessarily have the same last name.
In fact, although eve dropped Dante's last name in Adam's blog, I haven't had any luck finding more info on eve (with the same last name).
I dropped a message to Dante, and tried to befriend him, although we know that might not lead to anything.

So, the first post on http://90021040.blogspot.com/ lead us to a different place, but this one doesn't.. or are we to use the triangle and info gathered to get somewhere ?

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 		great job. I guess I would have noticed that if I weren't just lurking. Guess I'll have to delve a little deeper into this one. Thanks Olorin.

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 		I posted a comment on the http://90021040.blogspot.com/2009/02/challenge.html#comments blog,
with the message we deciphered.

There's an answer from E.Y.E.:
Quote:

Very well...
However... did you truly crack the encryption, or did you just guess the words, based on spaces and periods?

Do you hear or listen?
Do you watch or see?

The next challenge should prove me right or wrong.

E.Y.E.


I suspect the code that decrypts that message has a pattern we haven't figured out yet, and that might lead to further clues.
Then again, "The next challenge should prove me right or wrong." might indicate that this puzzle is resolved, and there's nothing more to figure out till the next one...

Don't know... really need to study the replacement we did up there.

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 		New post:
http://90021040.blogspot.com/2009/02/going-places.html
Image reads: Luck will not help you this time

Click, get .rar, get an image of a knight (St.George ? Templar Knight ?) with a second figure which appears to me to have horns (a devil ?), and the following letters:

Code:

PNPOQWWOQNPNWMIOQRIR2WUIPPXIHIOPQKPQHIX2PHPVIRW2IPPRMIM
2PHPPKIVJPRWMVLIIUNHXIKPLWIKWURW2OI2LHWIHPPNPUIVLP2IHPPO
QWWILLNWMIHIR2QPVLQRNWMUPVIQWVIPPOPQIP2IJJQI


Hoping I read and wrote them all right. Let me know if you think I got any wrong (and of course 'O' could be '0', zeroes)

Now it seems we *must* figure out the proper code rather than figuring out the message based on simple letter patterns.
And the question of the day is whether this is the same code as previous image or if it has changed (maybe only the key changed).

Get to work !

I'm trying to figure out the pattern in the first cipher, to see if the same or similar can be applied to the second (sure, we know they don't like to repeat themselves, but it won't hurt).
So.. what kind of cipher can make the same letter encode to the same letter (e.g.: LIVIP always becomes DANTE), but not always (e.g.: IPP becomes THE) ?

I'm looking at a Vigenere code, but that would seem odd (it would have to use a key that happens to have the right length to make some letters encode to the same one where we see that pattern). Plus, from the start... we eould have

IPP I2QIVOWP
THE TRIANGLE
leading to this key:
LSP L(and then the digit 2 which is not on your standard Vigenere table)

So that doesn't look like it will lead anywhere...

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 		In the meanwhile, Eve doesn't seem to have received any news from Adam. New comment on the 'Abaout time' blog from Adam:

Quote:

Hi hunny,
Did you get my e-mail?
Happy Valentine!
Miss and love you.
xoxo
Eve

Ps. Still no word of Dante.


:cute:

For the new ciphered code, I'm thinking some of the substitutions we did ont he previous post might still work, like 'PNP' => 'EVE', 'IPP' => 'THE', and so on, because those sequence still appear. That leads me to

Code:

EVE OQWWOQNPNWMIOQRIR2WU THE XIHIOPQKP IS IX2PHPVIRW2 THE RMIM
2PHPPKIVJPRWMVLIIUNHXIKPLWIKWURW2OI2LHWIHP EVE UIVLP2IHPPO
QWWILLNWMIHI FRIEND QRNWMUPVIQWV THE OPQIP2IJJQI


Still, we need to find the pattern behind those substitutions... Natas, sicne you broke the first one.. you just looked for words that would fit or something else ?

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