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 		Older. Right milieu.

We're pushing the limits of my gimping sklz Very Happy

A third point of view. 2&3 are privileged...

"Not to scale," as the drafters say. And I think I may have dropped a frame. Not important.
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Rogi Ocnorb
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 		He shoots......................




Euclid (ca. 325-ca. 270 BC) Alexandria, "The Elements"




He misses!
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#1 is as "Who" sees it.
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Rogi Ocnorb
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 		I was going to update my last post with:
Autolycus' "On the Moving Sphere", Athens, 335-350 BC.

But now... No clue.

Where are all the math geeks?
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 		It's not ONLY geometry. But I don't want to give away the store by saying what else it is... I'll give you 9/10 of the binary search. Post 1800. 'Moving Sphere' is warmer.
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 		Makes me think of Flatland: A Romance of Many Dimensions.

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 		So, It's likely somebody on one of these two lists?
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Timelines/TimelineE.html
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Timelines/TimelineF.html

Interesting menu page for those, given our puzzle:
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Timelines/WhoWasThere.html
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MrToasty wrote:
Makes me think of Flatland: A Romance of Many Dimensions.


At this point I should say, "Yes? And? The original question was?" Or, given the amount of time already spent on a puzzle that took me 20 minutes to make, I could just say "Go!" And no ducking this time.
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Every reader in Spaceland will easily understand that my mysterious Guest was speaking the language of truth and even of simplicity. But to me, proficient though I was in Flatland Mathematics, it was by no means a simple matter. The rough diagram given above will make it clear to any Spaceland child that the Sphere, ascending in the three positions indicated there, must needs have manifested himself to me, or to any Flatlander, as a Circle, at first of full size, then small, and at last very small indeed, approaching to a Point. But to me, although I saw the facts before me, the causes were as dark as ever. All that I could comprehend was, that the Circle had made himself smaller and vanished, and that he had now reappeared and was rapidly making himself larger.



It certainly seems to be a depiction of the above scene from Flatland, with all the following hints backing this up. I guess the answers to the who, what, when, where are something like: Sphere, moving through the 3rd dimension, whenever the book is based about on the turn of the 2000th year, in Flatland.

I guess we were all looking for the wrong sort of thing, but can I ask how we were meant to realize the reference from the first gif?

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 		It was clear to me... Very Happy

I think I let this one play out like movie guessing game. Nobody ever puts the easy still up first, even if they think they do. Is this horrible? Do we want to ban a multiple part approach? Before you answer, look at Rose's post again, and my follow up link. But to be fair, aninterloper came pretty darn close with the conic sections thing. And I could have done it all textually. It was just more fun to muck about with gifs.

You're also leaving out this bit, which comes right before what you quoted...

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There was no "rising" that I could see; but he diminished and finally vanished. I winked once or twice to make sure that I was not dreaming. But it was no dream. For from the depths of nowhere came forth a hollow voice - close to my heart it seemed - "Am I quite gone? Are you convinced now? Well, now I will gradually return to Flatland and you shall see my section become larger and larger."


Try putting any of that into google... I had to make do with "Hello." Maybe "gone?" would have been better... ???

I think this was getable if you were familiar with Flatland. This is one of the few scenes I remember after 40 years... What can I say, I had a mathematician for a father.
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pancito wrote:
But to be fair, aninterloper came pretty darn close with the conic sections thing.


Technically it is a conic section, assuming a steady rate of movement through the plane: the changes in size are linear and it first shrinks and then expands. A sphere would rapidly grow in size, slowing as it reached the middle, then speed up again as it disappears.

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 		My math training ended with Algebra 1b and I'd never heard of Flatland.
But that's how it goes, sometimes.

So... MrToasty. Looks like you're up.
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aninterloper wrote:
pancito wrote:
But to be fair, aninterloper came pretty darn close with the conic sections thing.


Technically it is a conic section, assuming a steady rate of movement through the plane: the changes in size are linear and it first shrinks and then expands. A sphere would rapidly grow in size, slowing as it reached the middle, then speed up again as it disappears.


Yes. Of course. I stand corrected. If only I'd known...
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 		Probably my fault for being too literal. Smile Flatland was probably the first thing I thought of, but I discarded it not being able to fit everything in.

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