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Cu Roi
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 		Tidy
See, it's starting to come together. We just have to be perspicacious and we will find the links.

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 		I'm pretty sure the MPs dropped Jan off at the local PD after walkabout girl. The cop mentions to the father that she was dropped of by MPs because they
had a lab onsite. Jan is the daughter of an important member of ONI, so the MPs wanted her out of their hair.

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 		Re: Progress Bar
Viirden wrote:


...What exactly does the 54/777 counter represent?
...Was the sole purpose of the axon progress bar to repeat the info that
we had one and then two axons hot?
...could there be a written clue in what really appears to be a text bar?

...Assuming that the last is true, shouldn't we be making a concerted effort
to at least finish one of the sets of axons?

Please, let's remember that Bungie has an eye for detail.
We should too.


The 777 is clearly the total number of transmission sources. We already know 210 of them.

If every set of seven goes hot again once it's completed it only gives you 30 more (or 420 depending on how you look at it). There's gotta be more axons/roads to complete 777. Where to find them? Where to look for them? I believe this is an important puzzle to solve, and at least it suggests that the 30 .wav files are not the end of this.

If we assume that every set of 7 axons will give out one clue (or .wav file), then we're looking at 111 files!

Another way to look at it, is that perhaps once all sets of seven go past the 2 successful transmissions threshold, a new threshold will come up (at 3, then 4, then 5, and so on), but only on selected sets, leading to new .wav files until 777/111 is reached. This would seem like a good security measure used by a military AI, and I would expect the sensitivity in the messages to increase accordingly with the threshold.

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Nola
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 		Look at this spec... so far every important snippet if comprised of seven items (7 URL's, 7 Axons, etc). If we assume that there will be one final message, a series such as this could be built


7 clues = 1 snippet / One final message (the truth)
70 clues = 10 snippets / Next to last message (currently unknown)
210 clues = 30 snippets / Axons message
490 clues = 40 snippets / URL Links message? (can't recall how many they were)

777 total

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Nola wrote:
Look at this spec... so far every important snippet if comprised of seven items (7 URL's, 7 Axons, etc). If we assume that there will be one final message, a series such as this could be built


7 clues = 1 snippet / One final message (the truth)
70 clues = 10 snippets / Next to last message (currently unknown)
210 clues = 30 snippets / Axons message
490 clues = 40 snippets / URL Links message? (can't recall how many they were)

777 total


Oh man, you lost me on that one Laughing So, I give myself a Trout

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 		[Info] Wav Character Reference
Siege88 and I put together this list of all the characters from the wav files, who they are, how they are related, and relevant info garnered from the wav files. We'll keep this updated as we (hopefully) get more files downloaded.

Names are organized by the scenes they appear in. Some names appear in multiple scenes.


scene - Jersey (dizzy, escape, jersey, reflected, durga)

Characters:

Jersey Morelli - Computer user, has Avatar named Jeanie. Lives in same building with Jan James. He seems to think she's attractive.

Jeanie (Genie?) Personal Assistant - Jersey's "Reconditioned Avatar" on his computer. Erased by Durga (Spec - Durga = Melissa/Operator)

Durga (Melissa?) - AI that infiltrates Jersey's computer system.

2 Navy Sentinels - Tried to get past Jersey's security-bot. Turned away/stung by Durga/Melissa

Jason Morelli - Father of Jersey. Corporal in the Signal Corps, Naval Intellignece - Radio Beacon Deployment Program. (Spec - Castaway?)

Bonita Morelli - Mother of Jersey. Age 41. Waitress. Having affair with Simon Brown at Waterfront Hotel

Simon Brown - having an affair with Bonita Morelli at Waterfront Hotel

Janissary "Jan" James - Age 17. Daughter of James James. (see "pop quiz" scene for more)

James James - This is not his real name. He has a fake registration. Durga calls him a "gray hole". Jersey calls him "J-squared". Info on him is "snared". (see "pop quiz" scene for more)


scene - Jumper (blip, pillow, walkaway_girl, hey_soldier)

Frank - Security camera operator. Dwayne's father. Talks about SSF - special special forces

Frank's coworker - calls medics after Jan jumps from roof.


scene - Pop Quiz (pqi, stupid cop, yes or no, nervous, law_abiding, you_knew) *note: law_abiding and you_knew are technically another scene but included here for relevance to the other clips.

Characters:

Stupid Cop - administers PQI. Not military police. Bad at physics. Says bio tests will be administered on Jan

Jan James - Has taken PQI before for shoplifting. Agrees with Cop that she is "REALLY smart". (see "Jersey" scene)

MP's - caught Jan at military base restricted area "on a dare by friends".

James James - Father of Jan. (see "Jersey" scene)

Dwayne - one of Jan's friends. His father is in the military.

Frank - Dwayne's father. In the military. Jan says they had to return his gate pass or he'd get spiked for dereliction. Son is friends with Jan James. (see "Jumper" scene)


scene - Cyrano (parasites, eyes, beer, four goats)

Hiroyuki (Hiryuki?) - coaching his friend via earpiece during a dinner date.

Hiroyuki's Friend (Kamal?) - Medical resident. Being coached on his dinner date by Hiroyuki. Left behind by his date. (see "All About Aiden")

Hiroyuki's Friend's Date - bails on date when conversation works around to intestinal parasites

Hiroyuki's Friend's Mother - arranged a date for her son. She lives on Coral.

Sophia Bassedan - Has an arranged blind date with Hiro's friend (see "All about Aiden" scene)


scene - All About Aiden (our_hoodlums, much_lifting, guilty, media tape, you_could, say_something, message_saved, tuna, hi_aiden)

Girl Who Likes Aiden (GWLA) (Sophia Bassedan?) - has dinner date with guy (possibly Hiroyuki's Friend - arranged date?) (see "Cyrano" scene)

Kamal - Friend of GWLA after going on blind date with her. agrees to ghost Aiden and Celine for GWLA. (see "Cyrano" scene)

Aiden - Earthy. Blonde, pony-tail. Works at Earth Immigration. Helped get GWLA's brother through Earth Immigrataion. Does black market stuff. Possibly cheating on GWLA with Celine Jefferson.

Celine Jefferson - Aiden's other girl besides GWLA.


Note: a small amount of spec was used for this. For example, we think that Durga is Melissa, though she never calls herself that. Also, Hiroyuki's friend appears to be Kamal. The voice sounds the same, and the mothers being from Coral fits as well. This also implies that Sophia is GWLA, which seems true.

-checksum and Siege88

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 		ID check on J^2
Hey, one other bit of conjecture here...remember how there was an ID check on James when he comes in at the beginning of hey_dad? It could lend some creedance to the walkaway clip being at the end of the interrogation. Here's the two ways it would pan out (with ID check info added)...


1) In hey_dad.wav the second officer says, "I'm required to inform you that the door will log your ID."

2) We already know from Durga.wav that J^2 is a 'grey hole,' but it seems to surprise Jersey...possibly J^2's cover is good enough to fool almost anyone?

3) But in walkaway_girl.wav, the officers know that J^2's ID is a cover, as the second officer (frank) is telling the first officer (interrogator? MP?), "Not just special forces - special special forces." At this point, Jan is already on the run.

4a) J^2's true identity could be known by the police in advance, but why would it come up before he arrived at the station? It could have been part of a pre-PQI police debriefing, or (if Frank and the Officer are MP's) all navy brass may be privy to J^2's true identity. Still, if Frank and the other officer are both MPs, why is Frank explaining military lingo to his cohort?

4b) An alternate theory is that J^2's cover ID is hidden even from the police...after all, what good is a cover ident that everyone knows is fake? In this scenario, Jan starts freaking out after her dad arrives (a la nervous.wav), and bolts from the test. As the interrogator chases Jan down, the second policeman comes through with the results of the ID check mentioned in my first point - ID check showed that J^2 is a gray hole and his true ID is a uber forces guy. Admittedly, 4b doesn't explain why law_abiding.wav is a civil discussion about how Jan passed the PQI.

5) Emergency.wav has the Paris 23 police station burning down. Being that interrogator mentioned the on-site lab in hey_dad.wav, this could just be one of the James' handiwork to avoid future inquiries when Jan's blood-alcohol test comes back negative. Or, if 4b is true, it could be J^2 trying to aid in his daughter's escape. Certainly, this would be short-sighted at best...the cops wouldn't just forget what happened.


I still think the walkaway clip should come before the interrogation, but it would work either way. Both have strengths and weaknesses.
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 		Order
I have to agree with Lazarus's account of the ordering given on page eight I think. Everybody go check his out as it seems to be the most logical and coherent compilation of theWAVs.[/spoiler]

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 		yep page 9 and i also agree with the order that he has.

makes sense (the jan james police bit) cos in the stupid cop, the interrogator asks about the dare to jump the 3 storeys, hence it (walkaway girl) happened before the others not after.

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 		Re: ID check on J^2
SuperJerms wrote:
1) In hey_dad.wav the second officer says, "I'm required to inform you that the door will log your ID."

3) But in walkaway_girl.wav, the officers know that J^2's ID is a cover, as the second officer (frank) is telling the first officer (interrogator? MP?), "Not just special forces - special special forces." At this point, Jan is already on the run.


The two guys in walkaway_girl are military. The two guys in the interrogation seem to be police. Makes sense that the military guys would know about the 'special special forces' identity of James and the civilian police would not.
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 		James James
I doubt even the military guys know James James is not actually his true name, as was revealed by Durga.

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 		Re: James James
Conrad64 wrote:
I doubt even the military guys know James James is not actually his true name as was revealed by Durga.


Allow me to rephrase: the military guys are more apt to know that 'James' is a cover identity for a spook. They may not know his real identity, but they know James is a fake.
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 		Here's my map of the known clips



each inner box represents a recording. solid lines indicate what I believe to be an ordered temporal relationship from left to right.

I'm really not sure about the placement of emergency, but or sorta makes sense that J 2 might either: a. have the pd torched, or b. confuse some guards to draw a lot of attention so that he and Jan can sneak out in the evacuation of the building. That would put it after the interrogation recording.

The date of our hoodlums-much lifting seems to make sense as the arranged date mentioned id beer than the date leading up to parasites. meditape obviously comes after our hoodlums, as Jersey already knows about Aiden. say something is in the same recording as meditape because you can hear the same footsteps and crickets in the background. The progression of the spying sequence seems pretty logical from there.

Does that make sense to people?
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 		thanxs inio that helped a bunch and it seem correct so far am i wrong???

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 		Nice work inio, looks fine bar this typo:
inio wrote:
obviously comes after our hoodlums, as Jersey already knows about Aiden


There is nothing in the .wavs to say that Jersey knows about Aiden, or that the even have anyhting to do with each other. Perhaps you meant Kamal?

Law abiding will obviously come after the interrogation scenes but i'm unsure where it would be in relation to emergency...

Guess we'll have to wait and see.

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