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A LITTLE TIMEWASTER SET
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Rogi Ocnorb
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I'll toss out another quickie.

I tried playtesting this myself and am pretty sure it's doable, but it's one of those where if you made it, it's hard not to make inappropriate jumps when testing.

If anybody's got a regular offering prepared, we can just blow this one off.
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Rogi Ocnorb wrote:
I'll toss out another quickie.

I tried playtesting this myself and am pretty sure it's doable, but it's one of those where if you made it, it's hard not to make inappropriate jumps when testing.

If anybody's got a regular offering prepared, we can just blow this one off.


Hmm, at first glance I thought this was a 'griddler' or whatever you want to call them where you draw a picture based upon the numbers at the edge of the grid - never seen one laid out like this before though. Can't fathom what to do with this immediately...
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Wind, I think it's similar to those Paint by Numbers puzzles, but with 8 of those stacked and the numbers shown inside the squares being the total count of dots per column. I'm assuming the lists of numbers on the left and top represent the number of contiguous dots listed from left to right, top to bottom on the left side, and back to front, top to bottom on the top numbers. There seems to be an error on the middle list on the left, perhaps that 4 needing to be a 5?

Here's what I was able to deduce with that approach, until I bumped into a contradiction (I've marked it with an inverted question mark) and now I can't seem to be able to fill anything else. The periods to the left of numbers mean that number has been accounted for. The periods within the grids represent cells that I have determined they do not contain an X.


Code:

                                 1 3 1 2 2 2 1
                                 4 5 9 8 1 0 8
                                ---------------
                                    .1  .1
                                    .1  .1 1
                                    .1  .1 1
                                    .1.1¿3 1
                                  .7.1.1 1 1
                                  .7 1.1 1 1
                                  .7 1.1 1 1
                                 1.1 1 1 1 1
                                 1 1 1 1 1 1
                                 1 1 1 1 1 1 3
                                 1 1 1 7 1 1 2
                                 1 1 1 1 1 1 2
                                 1 2 1 1 1 2 3
                                 1 2 1 1 1 2 2
                                 2 1 1 1 1 1 1
                                 1 1 1.7 1 1 1
                                 1 1 1.1 1 1 1
                                 1 1 1 1 1 1 2
                                 2.1.1.1.1 1 1
                                ---------------
41|           5 5.2.2 5 5 5.7 5| 4.8.7.7.7 6.2 |41
14|.1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1| 2 4.0 2¿0 3 3 |14
12|    .1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1| 2 3 1 2 2.0 2 |12
20|          .5.1 1 5 1 1 4 1 1|.0 5 3 6 3 2 2 |21
12|    .1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1|.0 3 1 2 2.0 4 |12
14|.1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1| 2 4.0 2.0 3 3 |14
41|           5 5.2.2 5 5 5.7 5| 4.8.7.7.7 6.2 |41
                                ---------------
                                 1 3 1 2 2 2 1
                                 4 5 9 8 1 0 8


     level 1           level 2           level 3           level 4
 ---------------   ---------------   ---------------   ---------------
|   X X X X   . | |   X X X X   . | | X X . . . X X | |   X X X X   . |
| . X . . .   . | | . X . . ¿     | | . X .   .     | |   . .   .     |
| . X . . . . . | | . X .     .   | | . X .     .   | |   .       .   |
| . X X X X X . | | . X .         | | . X           | | .             |
| . X . . . . . | | . X .     .   | | . X .     .   | | . .       .   |
| . X . . .   . | | . X . . .     | | . X .   .     | |   . .   .     |
|   X X X X   . | |   X X X X   . | | X X . . . X X | |   X X X X   . |
 ---------------   ---------------   ---------------   ---------------

     level 5           level 6           level 7           level 8
 ---------------   ---------------   ---------------   ---------------
|   X X X X   . | |   X X X X   . | | X X X X X X X | |   X X X X   . |
|     .   .     | |     .   .     | |     . X .     | |   . . . .     |
|   .       .   | |   .       .   | |   . . X . .   | |   .       .   |
| .             | | .             | | .     X       | | .             |
| . .       .   | | . .       .   | | . . . X . .   | | . .       .   |
|     .   .     | |     .   .     | |   . . X . .   | |   . . . .     |
|   X X X X   . | |   X X X X   . | | X X X X X X X | |   X X X X   . |
 ---------------   ---------------   ---------------   ---------------

I wish I could have spoilered that. I could've made an image but I'm too fried to deal with all that.

ETA wiki link and an attempt at explaining my assumptions.

ETA2: started all over because I was getting many contradictions. This time I made sure I wasn't jumping to conclusions, as before..

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la!uep wrote:
Wind, I think it's similar, but with 8 of those stacked and the numbers shown inside the squares being the total count of dots per column.


Aha! I tried thinking in 3D but I ended up really overcomplicating matters! Shouldn't be too tricky now...
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la!uep definantly has the right method going there, I think you've just made a wrong assumption early on when filling out the grids. Funnily enough, I've been playing 3D picross on DS recently (click the orange star to the left for a vid), would totally recommend it to others. They worked out a different representation to make it work easy in 3D.

I worked though what I think was one solution that seemed to fit, but problem was it obviously wasn't quite right. I might have made a mistake, but I have a feeling there isn't one unique solution. However, knowing what you're looking for means you could probably find the right one amongst them. I'll go back and try again.

[edit] Haha, talk about moment of clarity when I finally saw what the letters were! Thought this looked like my kind of puzzle when I saw it Razz
I'm still not too sure if you can work it out to a unique solution through pure logic though. I won't spoil it just yet for anyone else that might be working through it.

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Hmm, I ran into trouble in the same area as la!uep (although with a little more filled in) even though I was making every effort to be logical and make no leaps of faith.

Time to start again!

Six - does your final solution definitely fit all the criteria? Can't understand what false logic I followed...

ETA - just thought - I assumed the numbers at the top of the columns and the numbers at the left of the rows related to the 'top' layers. Is this a false assumption as clearly if one is right and the other wrong this is never going to work!!!
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Yeah, I think that's where both of you might be going wrong, I took the bottom of the columns to be the top layer, I think. So those 3 sevens go on the bottom 3 layers.

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sixsidedsquare wrote:
Yeah, I think that's where both of you might be going wrong, I took the bottom of the columns to be the top layer, I think. So those 3 sevens go on the bottom 3 layers.


That's the problem! I knew I hadn't made any silly assumptions with the actual logic - just an enormous silly assumption at the start!

Cheers six - should be possible now!
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la!uep wrote:
There seems to be an error on the middle list on the left, perhaps that 4 needing to be a 5?

There is an error - there should be an extra 1 between the 5 and the 4.

Glad six figured this one out first!! Laughing
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sixsidedsquare wrote:
Yeah, I think that's where both of you might be going wrong, I took the bottom of the columns to be the top layer, I think. So those 3 sevens go on the bottom 3 layers.

That should teach me not to go happily on my way with my monospaced text obsession and ignore important clues. Since I was only looking at the text version, I was oblivious to the fact that the image has those numbers sideways, running from the bottom to the top... Embarassed

Now to start all over again... Rolling Eyes

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la!uep wrote:
sixsidedsquare wrote:
Yeah, I think that's where both of you might be going wrong, I took the bottom of the columns to be the top layer, I think. So those 3 sevens go on the bottom 3 layers.

That should teach me not to go happily on my way with my monospaced text obsession and ignore important clues. Since I was only looking at the text version, I was oblivious to the fact that the image has those numbers sideways, running from the bottom to the top... Embarassed

Now to start all over again... Rolling Eyes


You'll whizz through it now you have the right orientation! Very Happy
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You're right, guys.
The middle horizontal column should be "5 1 1 5 1 1 1 4 1 1"

I had to look at it 3 times, just now, to see the error. Weird how I can blank on something like that so consistently.

And I agree that I should have ordered the verticals the other direction. Sorry for that.
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Rogi Ocnorb wrote:
You're right, guys.
The middle horizontal column should be "5 1 1 5 1 1 1 4 1 1"

I had to look at it 3 times, just now, to see the error. Weird how I can blank on something like that so consistently.


I had to look at it at least that many times to satisfy myself it was a problem with the puzzle and not my counting!

Rogi Ocnorb wrote:
And I agree that I should have ordered the verticals the other direction. Sorry for that.


I don't think that's necessarily true - six assumed the method correctly, la!uep and I didn't. The logic fell apart pretty quickly our way - we should have realised early on the right way to go!

Anyway, I make that a win for six - a new puzzle sir?
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This shall be the last puzzle I pull from the Vault, I'm scared of all the shadows and cobwebs in there now. And I can assure you I went entirely through this one to make sure it was all right. It's pretty simple, just takes research. Some are harder to find than others, so I suggest people share what they find as they find it (it's pretty painful for a single person to find them all, trust me). So go to it!

Oh and again the answer was supposed to put forward an idea, albeit quite a grisly one this time. A quick google of it will explain with the title of the 3rd result.
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I love fonts and alphabets and stuff like this, pattern matching skills come into play, right up my alley.

My first stop was to http://www.omniglot.com/writing/alphabets.htm where many of the symbols look familiar and similar, but I have not found an exact match yet.

Once I do find them, my next step would be to look for clues in both the name of the language for each symbol (set) as well as the representative sounds, and possibly word meanings. This could take a while...

(p.s., full disclosure, this puzzle looks/feels very familiar -- could I have seen this before?)

(returned later with progress)
I'm having more luck with http://www.omniglot.com/writing/syllabic.htm -- here's what I have so far:
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7: Coptic http://www.omniglot.com/writing/coptic.htm
1: Tamil http://www.omniglot.com/writing/tamil.htm
18: Tibetan http://www.omniglot.com/writing/tibetan.htm
25: Javanese http://www.omniglot.com/writing/javanese.htm
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8: Malayalam http://www.omniglot.com/writing/malayalam.htm
9: Cham http://www.omniglot.com/writing/cham.htm Western (Cambodian) Cham
? (assuming it's just an upsidedown 14)
20: Thai http://www.omniglot.com/writing/thai.htm
? (upsidedown heart)

Making a leap to the next step...
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Assuming that even the missing data are numerals, we have simple alphabetic substitution:
7-1-18-25 / 8-9-14-20-?
GARY HINT?

but I'm not sure I can extrapolate to the final answer.

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