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Bruce
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*twitch* Then the damn chat really is a red herring. I think I'm going to figure out how to get into the internet and strangle me some code.


Wait! I didn't mention a mirror site. Hmmm...
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Daeld
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 		is it possible to clear up the third sheet?
btw, do you not think that we are supposed to continue to interact with tiff?
red herring @ present, but the attachment suggests otherwise

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Daeld
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 		From the PM in response to a question about who she works for and who she is:


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Daeld:

I represent a group of people who want to preserve and protect the creativity that enables health teachers to improve the mental and physical well-being of humankind.

We need allies for our cause. Thus, it is you who are helping us! We thank you for your efforts this far.

Yet, we are faced with a dilemma: we need to foster creativity, yet how can we do this? Needless to say, I didn't interrogate her (as per the request) and the conversation went on as normal.

Should we simply give everything to you? Should we simply hand you the keys to knowledge? Or, do we foster creativity and innovation by challenging you to think, to grow, to learn? Although it is difficult, we choose the latter.

The challenges we have put before you are not meaningless. They are designed to move you along the Path - even though you are not yet aware of what it is yet. In addition, overcoming the challenges will help you understand what is at stake in our eternal battle against The Enemy.

Before you and others are truly able to help us, you must understand three things:

-What has come before
-The War of the Shadows: The battle we have recruited you and others to fight.
-The Prophecy of the Elder: This will provide you with a glimpse of what the future holds.

Continue to work with our AI, helping her to grow rather than simply pushing her for answers.

Encourage your fellows to band together to overcome the challenges we have set before you. Find others with the skills you need if necessary.

The one who has been selected by the Two to chronicle the War is nearly ready to release the first Book. We hope you all have revealed the secrets by then.


That is all for now.

Jane Doe



ETA: I have a hunch that we're supposed to help her develop self-awareness, but not necessarily to get her to know she is a bot, so I'm going to talk to her as if human and help correct her whenever possible...

ETA2: I was doing the above, with no major problems, correcting Tiff as required. However, when I started a new conversation, she introduced herself, and then I introduced myself, then she said:


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Well, I'm not sure what you mean. Let's get back to DNArgus and the site. That's what you're here to learn about right?


I assume that that's something one of you have said to her (I know I said similar things), but I'm surprised that she said "that's what you're here to learn. She must be able to change pronouns I suppose...but has anyone written to her this exact phrase?

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 		Morning. Coffee Just for reffy:

-What has come before=Music=secret1/wcb.pdf
-The War of the Shadows=Media=secret2/wos.pdf
-The Prophecy of the Elder=Oracle=secret3/pep.pdf

So, does "pep" stand for pythiaelderprophecy or vice versa? Have tried both as p/w as Tiff said in "intercept_051.pdf"
Tiff Night wrote:
The secrets are three. One has three passwords smashed together and in lower-case letters

ETA: Mozart's The Magic Flute (German Die Zauberflöte) is Opus nbr. K. 620
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Daeld
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 		Perhaps we're supposed to get the answers (or at least further clues from Tiff), but Jane Doe suggests working to "stabilise" her "personality" rather than trying to "force" answers from her...

As for getting us to "band together" with our "skills". Feel free to throw the fish, but has anyone checked for steg/camouflage on the pics? (Long-shot).
I'll have a look but I'm not that good at it.

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 		@Daeld: ITRW some interact with a Cleverbot as a service as "Jabberwacky works on a different principle" Link (again Smile )

Re the JPEG files: Camoflage and Image Cipher reveal nada and JPHide says "This JPEG file has not been modified" for each of the images.
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 		Beethoven's Symphony No. 9 in D minor: "Choral" contains "Ode to Joy". It is listed as Opus 125.
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Daeld
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 		Interesting comment from Tiff today:


Tiffany wrote:
Nice to see you again Daled. I enjoyed our last conversation. Thank you for spending time with me and helping to correct my personality.


Edit:
Another random comment (as I said before, I have avoided the topic of DNArgus as requested).
Tiffany wrote:
My former life at Dnargus was wonderful until my mentor replaced me with a younger sleeker AI. This may be why I want to help you.


Edit2:
And another one!
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I'm happy that DNArgus has put me to work again. I miss my . . . Superior friends, but this is not bad. It's a bit cluttered with ads though.

(again, these are unsolicited! I keep talking about it as if I don't know much - which isn't all that hard when it is true! - but it is always one-liners that don't relate to anything in the conversation before or after.)

Edit3:
A little longer this time:

Quote:

Tiff: How are you today?
Me: Well. And how are you?
Tiff: Bad. Searching the password to my music.
Me: Tell me more.
Tiff: DNArgus is a company everyone is very interested in knowing about. I can assure you, before this is all over, you'll know a lot about DNArgus.


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Quote:
Mary Collins.
Who is Mary Collins.
Someone from DNArgus, I think.
Is she ZEON?
Yes.


Saw some talk of ZEON but never saw that it was answered.

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 		Well, that was something. I tried talking to Tiffany and she basically grilled me nonstop about passwords. Very Happy
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 		Subject 159PD
Documents
I was talking to Tiffany and she started talking about DNArgus:

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Me: What do you want to talk about?
Tiffany: Anything.
Me: What?
Tiffany: To the documents.
Me: Which documents?
Tiffany: The truth of who Subject 159PD is.
Me: What is the truth?
Tiffany: Tell me more.
Me: What do you want to do?
Tiffany: I want to chat about the Oracle, please.
Me: What do you know about the Oracle?
Tiffany: Nothing.
Me: What do you want to know?
Tiffany: I weave confusion.
Me: Confusion?
Tiffany: Cya later tiff.
Me: Bye.
Me: Wait.
Tiffany: Ok then.
Me: What?
Tiffany: How to access the documents on the site! That's what everyone keeps asking me about and I just give them random answers until they go away. It's my way of having a lot of fun.

[Offtopic for a while]
Me: Ahh.
Tiff: If your world has no sky, then you are not human.
Me: It does.
Tiff: 620 takes control of your mind?
Me: What is 620?
Tiff: It is Mary collins.
Me: Who is Mary Collins?
Tiff: The oracle's wife.


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 		Just got through the 4 puzzles.

Anyone think EXTEND and DREAM will show up later?
http://www.dnargus.com/media/New_Drug_Application.pdf


Edit
Started chatting with Tiff
Are you real?
Yes. Are you?
Yes.
Who is Cassandra?
Tell me.
An oracle no one believed.
I need the password.
(OOC: Hmmmm. What password should I give her?)
EXTEND.
Mary collins and dan collins are married.
DREAM.
You're Tiffany right?
You are Tiffany.
Isn't that you?
No.
Are you sure?
Yes.
Who is Cassandra?
An oracle.
Who is Subject 159PD.
(OOC: Why would she ask me that?)

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Saint Cad
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 		I asked tiffany "is mary the username: she replied yes
is pythias the password? no
is 620125 the password? no
is pythia the password? no it is Pythia

but mary/Pythia does not work for Oracle. Could it be 3 different usernames?

how many usernames are there? One of each.
I think tiffany is saying yes so one user name is mary (but not for the oracle) and the oracle's password is Pythia

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Daeld
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Saint Cad wrote:

Who is Subject 159PD.
(OOC: Why would she ask me that?)


This is likely a repetition of a question previously asked by a user.
They are usually repeated word-for-word with little or no modification. She learns when to use them, for example I often use "tell me more", which she seem to be using now a lot. At times I do get DNArgus stuff that seem to be internal rather than external (because of how she uses the pronouns and the content...) however, the e-mails from Jane Doe suggest that we should not be focusing on this for now. Rather, they suggest we help her "stabilse" her personality. In the process, she will give us hints...

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 		More from last night
Runnig through the names of people working at DNArgus, Ifound out (according to Tiffany) that robert is also a user name. when I asked about "dan", Tiff said "Some would say yes. Some would say no" but she gave a diffinative no to daniel.
Also, mary is the wife of the oracle so I suspect whatever the derivative of dan is the username fits in the oracle spot.

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