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Shirley Films
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 		A singular form of 4 might be 1. Smile

I don't know what to make of the clues for the Temple. Going with the "theme" of the "temple".... well... I am still lost.

If you are right and the 4 alludes to the puzzles, I am still lost. What might be a singular form of "puzzle". ?

"The evil upon bark and lime....."

I googled bark and lime.... and there is a kind of bark that is used (when mixed with lime) to make quinine.... which is used to fight malaria. But. I have tried 100 passwords in that vein, and have gone nowhere.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 1:57 pm
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Isidorus
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dmb wrote:
(Unfortunately we can't buy any of puzzles 4-6 here in the UK yet, and US dealers don't seem to be allowed to ship outside the US Crying or Very sad. I'm tempted to get them off Amazon.com, although the postage costs are more than double the cost of the puzzles Shocked )


I got them (4, 5 and 6) on imaginaire.com from Canada to... Italy. Postage costs are high (I asked air way...) but puzzle prices are good. They sent it in a few days, without problem.

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Isidorus
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 		 Another Equation
E-like? or space...
Hello,

another Equation I found on last w-e... This time it's more like an E, but not of the same color... (better to invert the 2 top pieces)

Space?
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The interesting thing is the free space !!! I calculate about 3 cm 2 free space (sorry for the inches... I don't know how many square inches it does...).
I still don't know what piece from The Clue has to be added...
Maybe the pictured piece but vertically? Maybe the wooden stick (that goes out), or the drawn square, but in with diamond shape position? "The placement of the 1 st step of DaVinci is the key to solving The Equation."...

I tried to do the double increasing of the lines drawing but I found nothing... I think I did not understand correctly the exposed method.

Isidorus
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 6:29 pm
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Isidorus
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 		 The Clue
Notice analisis
I think we don't take enough care of the NOTICE, or Booklet.

Let's have a look on TheClue. I will bold important words and expressions.

Notice says:

    Leonardo DaVinci included several secret elements such as
    mirror writing, alternate spelling and newly fabricated word
    definitions     within his works and notes. The Mona Lisa and the
    Last Supper have long been debated in terms of their own
    mysteries -- a questionable smile and possible insight to the
    Holy Grail. Are these all clues to an even bigger mystery?

Follows a description on what to do...

Structure of the Scroll
Everybody has noticed the scrolls are in two parts...
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The first one is for the current password, the second one is for the next puzzle.


The Scroll clues
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The Scroll password's clue says:
    Letters and numbers will make you smile when you've
    deciphered the password and get closer to the treasure.


ALTERNATE SPELLING
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...on each line, applicated to the words, gives:
    Letters - numbers - make - smile - you've
    deciphered - password - get - to - treasure.


MIRROR WRITING
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...all his backwards, gives:
    treasure - to - get - password - deciphered
    you've - smile - make - numbers - Letters

Think about that:
treasure => to => get => password => deciphered => you've => smile => make => numbers => Letters

With "Smile" being "Mona Lisa"... Not perfectly clear, but there could be enough clear for some people...

Mayby I'm fully crazy!...

Rolling Eyes

Next step would be to apply this careful reading from Notice + Scroll on Equation...

PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 6:56 pm
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Isidorus
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 		 Equation
Notice analisis
Notice says:

    Galileo, Newton and Einstein: three historical visionaries
    known for their revolutionary mathematical, mechanical,
    astronomical and scientific discoveries. But each used
    previously discovered theories, tools and visions in order to
    advance their own. These scientists may simply have left us
    the clues on which to build. Or could it be that their allegiance
    and associations are the real formula and part of an even
    bigger meaning?


Reading
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    Galileo - Newton - Einstein
    mathematical - mechanical - astronomical
    theories - tools - visions (=> ..."the clues on which to build"?)
    allegiance - association (=> ..."are the real formula"?)


Analyzing... Some ideas to explore...
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- If each man owns an "equation", then the strange one is Galileo's.
    4 2 6P 4

Could it be values from an equation instead of the formula?

- Is it possible to consider an equation from the base as mathematical, another one as mechanical, and the last one as astronomical?

- Could we associate each principle (theories - tools - visions) to one of the three men? Or may this guide us from Theory to Vision of "psw" (because "The telescopic vision is not as it appears...")

- Are "allegiance" and "association" mathematical terms? Is it possible to associate or alleg...ate(?) two or three of the formulas?


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Shirley Films
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 		Interesting ideas Isidorus!

If you find the password for the Equation... definitely let us know!

I am going to have some free time this weekend and I plan to devote myself to solving The Equation. Smile

We'll see how that goes. heh.

-SF

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magicrock
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 		Equation
password
"Lookikng through will give you the formula for the password; it need not be new."
Placing the block from The Clue on the board and looking through the hole reveals an 'expression'. Consider this expression a 'formula' or mixture for the password. The equation part could be that something equals this formula, something not new. And, 'Psub4' might mean the fourth planet...Mars.
Just offering a different slant to it. Might spark someone somewhere.

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Isidorus
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 		Equation
About the psw
The Equation's scroll says:
    The telescopic vision is not as it appears - it is the beginning for one and the end for another.

I thought about this:
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Could have something to do with the year or the calendar... The end of a year is the beginning of another...
Added to the internet clue: "it need not be new." => "new year..."
Old calendar? Middle Ages calendar? Roman, Julean/Julian, Gregorian, or another old Calendar? or before Christ?
Wink

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Shirley Films
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 		Re: Equation
About the psw
Isidorus wrote:
The Equation's scroll says:
    The telescopic vision is not as it appears - it is the beginning for one and the end for another.

I thought about this:
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Could have something to do with the year or the calendar... The end of a year is the beginning of another...
Added to the internet clue: "it need not be new." => "new year..."
Old calendar? Middle Ages calendar? Roman, Julean/Julian, Gregorian, or another old Calendar? or before Christ?
Wink


I was thinking about that. Newton was born the same year as Galileo died, but but only if you go by the OS calendar (old style). There is about a 9 day difference between the two calendars.

I tried passwords long those lines... but couldn't get it. Hmmmmm.

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Isidorus
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Shirley Films wrote:
If you find the password for the Equation... definitely let us know!
I am going to have some free time this weekend and I plan to devote myself to solving The Equation. Smile


If you find the password for the Equation... definitely DO NOT let us know!
The best you can do is give some additional clue!
The most of the people here want to find it, not to read it... So I hope.

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Isidorus
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 		Equation
calendars
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"There is about a 9 day difference"...
On Wikipedia: 1751 in England only lasted from 25 March to 31 December. The following dates 1 January to 24 March which would have concluded 1751 became part of 1752 when the beginning of the numbered year was changed from 25 March to 1 January.
I tried to insert these dates without success...


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Shirley Films
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 		The Equation is going to drive me insane.

I wasn't able to devote my weekend to it (as planned), but I still managed to play around with it a little.

I must say.... I hate this puzzle. Smile Heh. Not really.

Considering the multiple solutions on hand to this puzzle, and the various ways of flipping them on the gameboard.... ugh. I just wish we knew which was the CORRECT way of solving the puzzle... then we would at least have steady footing on which to proceed.

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magicrock
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 		Equation
Since there are many different solutions to make the pieces fit on the board, and each solution can be rotated four times, then flipped over, and rotated four more times; I'm thinking there might not be a 'correct' solution for that part. Family Games needed four pieces for the next puzzle, and a fifth piece for the final puzzle (maybe), so just incorporated those into the puzzle pieces and board presented.
I believe Adventurik has discovered the formula from the board by placing a 'Clue' piece on the board and 'looking through'.
Regarding the recent calendar ideas: Presenting a date for the password can be in many forms, ie. 25MAR1752, 03/25/1752, etc. and must be language independent. Is this date presented on another calander as a single number that can be converted to Roman Numerals? Does the 4^26xP4 'formula' represent a time Period?

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Adventurik
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 		Equation
Yes, it seems obvious to me that the 4-squared phrase is the formula for the password. I was doing some more thinking on what it could be...
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It looks a bit like a quadratic formula. The way it shows 4 2 instead of 16 is strange. So I thought "quadratic" which could mean that the 4 is the replacement for x, so that it comes out as

x 2 + 16x + P 4 (the "+" could be "-" as well)

Maybe substitute 4 for x, 16+64+P4?

Or even use the alphanumeric substitution, but then that's language dependent.


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Shirley Films
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 		I don't know. I suppose anything is possible with these puzzles. But, as mentioned before, its not an equation... it's only an expression... if that. Which means that unless we make assumptions about missing pieces of an equation (= or +/-) then how can we "solve".

It could be anything. The sub 4 could mean Mars.... the P could mean Ptolemy. That's why I keep coming back to the pieces on the board. I mean.... what do the etchings in the Da Vinci piece mean? I looked at all the presented solutions, and it doesn't appear that any of them match up with the lines engraved on the Da Vinci piece. So what are those lines for?

Again... they could be nothing but eye candy.

It's frustrating, so say the least. I think that Family Games should give the player slightly more on this one (personally). Smile

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