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Barbarellany
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 		SPEC: Ash Park Grove Cemetery
One of the first things I noticed besides the Bowere headstone is the portal, much like stonehenge. In kabbalah, I believe this is the formation to bring heaven on earth. One marked J the other B and the lintel stands for shalom which means more than just peace. This would be in direct opposition to the tales of a gate to hell mentioned on the site. Seems we have alot of themese pointing up to good vs evil.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2003 1:49 am
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missfat
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 		Bruce conspiracy theorists should note that the whosis for Anonymous Fame offices lists an address that is smack dab in the middle of Canarsie cemetery in Brooklyn. Don't know if this means anything, but it seems slightly suspicious -- where did those pictures of gravestones come from?

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Thomas
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 		Canarsie cemetery Link
Pure spec: Food for thought.

I found this link to Canarsie cemetery: http://canarsiecemetery.homestead.com/

I searched the photos and didn't come up with any that seemed to match. The address is 1370 Remsen Ave., while Anonnymousfame is at 1376.

Has anyone asked Dale about this. The coincidence of the address being next to a cemetery is a little too much. Since Dale worked there he should know about this place.

I also find it odd that the map for section 8 is bordered on the east by Ash Road.

I can't believe the PM would choose this address and/or location purely by coincidence.

I found this post that spec'd that Ash Grove Park the amusement park, in another reality, would be a cemetery in this reality: http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=817

Following this line of thinking maybe Canarsie cemetery in our world is Anonymousfame in the other world. Or maybe Dale just found a temporary portal that took him to AGP the amusement park vice AGP the cemetery. I seem to remember reading somewhere (I'm a voracious reader, so pardon me for not remembering where) that there is a school of thought that since all cemetaries were linked to the afterlife, and therefore to each other, that they could be used as portals to one another. Could ther be a link between Anonymousfame and AGP?

Maybe I'm way off and just in need of more coffee.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2003 9:15 am
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konamouse
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 		Wow, taking this idea (here is terrasnow's spec):

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see two Aglaura cities (or towns?) and I don't think it is a mistake. In the CTW (Dales's) story, Ong's Hat is renamed Aglaura (I will call this place Old Aglaura or OA) and is shown as such on the map. The other Aglaura (which I will call New Aglaura or NA) is off the map in the black 'void' (bottom right). I believe that these two cities are opposite each other in time/space/dimensions.

Following this thought, it may be that:
- Einstein's death-day in OA is celebrated as his birthday in NA (the day he left one time/dimension to enter into another).
- The librarian's birthday in NA may be her death-day in OA.
- Ash grove may be a cemetery in OA but an amusement park in NA.
(I don't know how far to carry this thought in CTW … but you get my drift.)

Tying this thought into Dale's accident…
Dale says (in his diary) "it was all my fault".
What if, because of the stress he was under, his lack of sleep, etc… Dale, in fact, caused a car accident due to a heart attack suffered while he was driving? Investigators would have to look at this possibility! Could he have had a death (or near-death) experience but was revived through the use of digitalis? His death in OA would have been his birth in NA! Could his wish in OA have been for money, but his wish in NA have been for life? Digitalis (a drug and a Being), then, would have been the catalyst giving him back his life. As a Being, it could have been the Life Force and/or Whoever represents that Life Force to him … therefore the myths. Such Being would have different names and mean different things to different people.

Could Diana and Meaghan also have had a 'death' experience (at or after 3:30 PM in OA) but have been revived into OA … therefore leaving Dale's house (in NA east would be opposite to our east) at 6 PM? This might explain the time warp and what Dale said he saw. An accident in NA would be a blessing in OA (vice versa)! Could NA also be a city of one's own making (therefore Dale makes sure there is a big library)? Could communicating with the people of Aglaura (since they are willing to communicate) give us a better indication as to which city, OA or NA, they live in? It seems fitting to have an 'alternate reality' in an Alternate Reality Game!


Could this explain the virtual disappearance of some of our town residents who have become silent these past two weeks? Where is Phyllis (Hollow Needle)? Where is Mrs Dobbs (Librarian)? Interesting thoughts.
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LazarusLong
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 		Well, here's the email I sent last night to "webmaster@ashgrovepark.com":
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Dear Sir/Madam:

As an amateur genealogist, I was excited to discover your website for the Ash Grove Park Cemetery. Like yourself, I have often spent days, even weeks, perusing old headstones for the historical information they contain. It is a fascinating hobby that brings one closer to their past.

My reason for writing is that I have been researching a branch of my family (great-grandmother on my mother's side) that may have lived in the Early's Crossing area. The family name was "Sprauge". While I am unsure when they settled there, my grandmother (rest her soul) told me that they left the area shortly after my great-grandfather returned from WWI. While I certainly don't want to pressure you, I'd be very appreciative if you could look through your records to determine if any members of my family are buried at Ash Grove Park.

I also note the one of the photos on the website has the name "Bowers". This is a minor interest as they may be related to my family through marriage. It is, however, so common a name that there may be no relation at all. The photo was too small to read the dates on the stone. Perhaps you can look at your copy and provide that information.

Many thanks to you for providing this wonderful website. It is people like yourself who rescue these obscure places from oblivion, and share this information with the world. My thanks in advance for your consideration.


It didn't bounce, but I haven't yet received a reply. I'll keep you posted.

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kimer
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 		Re: AGP cemetery & Early's Crossing
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AGP Site: Ash Grove Park cemetery is located just outside a tiny, rural New Jersey town named Early's Crossing. Legend has it that there once was a small community on the site of Ash Grove Park, years before Early's Crossing ever existed.


From: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~batsto/Towns/EarlysCrossing/EarlysCrossing.html

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This is another place I am still trying to figure out. It shows up on maps as being just Northwest of the intersection at Routes 546 and 642 in western Woodland Township, Burlington County.

I do not know who Early was, or what he was crossing, as there does not appear to be any kind of river nearby. The "town" or whatever it is or was is located today in Lebanon State Forest, if there is in fact anything still there.

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kimer
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 		re: AGP story much the same as Stull cemetery
Some of the description is almost word for word. Check out: http://www.prairieghosts.com/stull.html
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Sunny du Pree
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 		Spec on pics at AGP
First of all {{{{SHIVERS}}}} how creepy was that to go to amusement to death...its alot like life isnt it..and someone still has that memory ticket Shocked

These are just my observations, dont have sophisticated enhancement techniques but maybe something will bear fruit..

Ok flap a trout at me I can hack it but on the front page of the website
there is red radiating from the tree...reminds me of the stick tree on the pictograph and the tree at klepsydra

Then on the 2nd page on the right photograph
http://www.ashgrovepark.com/main.html
there is a tree that is a deep red..kinda looks like the (fir?) tree in the pictograph.
just a little then look to the rite of that tree and it looks like there is a figure standing by that mauseoleum(this bldg is in about 3 or 4 photos) at the back of it or could be a statue..but from where the direction of the sun is coming that figure should be in shadows. I cant tell if it is a statue or some kind of decorative thingy!lelele what the heck is that?

then there is a couple on the next page
http://www.ashgrovepark.com/pictures.html
In the AGP images cluster of pictures in the lower right hand corner there is a headstone with a Black Urn on it..reminds me of the urn in the pictograph puzzle a little...
Well it looks like a skull (another pictograph image) reflected in the black urn to me but it is probably decoration. I know someone can find that out for me...

in the headstone cluster of pics...
the second one from the top on the left hand side reminds me of the stonehenge formation.

And then there is the picture of the cross on the door ( another pictograph) I know i am streching all of this but maybe there is a diamond in the coal)

Ok so here I sit on my loaves waitin for fishes Wink
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ThomasRStevenson
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 		Directory http://www.ashgrovepark.com/memory/ still exists.
Not sure if this is just an oversight on the PM, but directory
http://www.ashgrovepark.com/memory/ still exists, and still prompts
for the 99746403/ibf33mx9 id/password. I bring this up because it seems
like everything else about http://www.ashgrovepark.com was removed.
Can anyone remember the path to the movies that
http://www.ashgrovepark.com/memory/ took you to to see if they still
exist?

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Idaswr
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 		Ash Grove Park
I did have the passwords. Tried and was denied entry. Nice touch, though.

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Renclothes
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 		Re: Directory http://www.ashgrovepark.com/memory/ still exis
ThomasRStevenson wrote:
Can anyone remember the path to the movies that
http://www.ashgrovepark.com/memory/ took you to to see if they still
exist?


The direct links are:
http://www.ashgrovepark.com/memory/1bf33mx9c2.mpg
http://www.ashgrovepark.com/memory/1bf33mx9c1.mpg

You can't get there directly; it still asks for the username/password, which, as noted, don't work.

-Renclothes

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ThomasRStevenson
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 		Re: Directory http://www.ashgrovepark.com/memory/ still exis
Renclothes wrote:
ThomasRStevenson wrote:
Can anyone remember the path to the movies that
http://www.ashgrovepark.com/memory/ took you to to see if they still
exist?


The direct links are:
http://www.ashgrovepark.com/memory/1bf33mx9c2.mpg
http://www.ashgrovepark.com/memory/1bf33mx9c1.mpg

You can't get there directly; it still asks for the username/password, which, as noted, don't work.

-Renclothes


Maybe I'm just misunderstanding what you ment by:

Renclothes wrote:
"the username/password, which, as noted, don't work."


but I just tried the id/password again, and they worked for me. If I deliberately mistype the id or the password, I get reprompted for the id/password again. Only when I entry the id/password correctly do I get an error that the page doesn't exist. This tells me the memory directory and the id/password are still valid, even if we don't know any valid entry in the directory!

If I am correct about the id/password, which I think I am, why would this memorial website know about this id/password, and what would the memory directory be used for? It could just be an oversight on the part of the PM, but with the fact that everything else on the site was altered correctly, I can't beleave this was a simple mistake.

One other thing that I haven't seen anyone comment on, the URL in the email to dale from effectsSPLATgreatwatergeneral.com, http://www.greatwatergeneral.com/gwgmcped1bf33mx9.html, has the string ibf33mx9 as part of the URL. That is three different uses of that string: The ticket stub, part of the URL from GWG, and password for both versions of the http://www.ashgrovepark.com site. Why would the PM keep using the same string so many times?

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LazarusLong
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 		Just a thought, but has anyone had a change to check the pictures to see if any of them are stegged? I'm on a Mac, so my options in that regard are limited (at least until I can port some of the GNU tools over).

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Tien_Le
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 		Spec: Digitalis = the devil (NJ Devil?)
From the Ash Grove Park cemetery page:
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The article also cited a few of the old journal entries from generations ago, in which one local resident claimed Ash Grove Park was "haunted by diabolical and supernatural forces" and that the cemetery was one of the few places on earth where the devil appears in person two times each year.


Perhaps the day Dale visited the park with his family was one of those two days of the year. Our 'Wish' might not be the benevalent soul I'd hoped. One has to wonder if something more demonic would come up with this solution to Dale's 'wish'.
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Shaughn
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 		Devil went down to Agluara, and he was looking for a soul...
I absolutely agree Tien,

We've been making it positive, but in many cultures wish granters
are often evil.

That aside, all myth/dogma around ol' Lucifer is that the wishes he grants
never end well

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