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amandel

Double post due to Abie's latest emails stating there was more intercepted and I would welcome some input from Y'all.

**Posted:** Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:00 am

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i would ask for a part translation at the min i am having some thought about abie and her constant blocking of tedo

**Posted:** Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:28 am

Tresbien · Unfictologist Joined: 09 Jun 2006 Posts: 1436

I'm also on the side of trusting Abie for now. Since church has reservations about the vignere key, perhaps you could go one more round of translating without sending it.

**Posted:** Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:50 am

amandel

Thankful for the sound, sage advice yet as the proverb flows "Be careful what you wish for..." this part has a different p/w key. Laughing

**Posted:** Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:00 am

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Tresbien · Unfictologist Joined: 09 Jun 2006 Posts: 1436

Chats w/Abie and TEDO

**Posted:** Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:26 am

israfel070 · Boot Joined: 10 Jun 2009 Posts: 40

Here's code #2, raw version:

"Tux kidati, gi ank Tnem kernem parti Gi jien dwond fe Korpata fai. Ma gi kernem ank hrend kiri fai. Bi nestrem kidati. Bi korpas nestrem sherl um zaqunr fai. Rekordem Spegn lulsh Tesmna Etermul Dhrem Ol! Yatux fai Rwtl Korpatamul! Fe Dhrem Ol Zurkul."

Amandel, I waited a bit to see if you'd sign on, so you could email it to Abie, but I got excited and eventually sent it myself... sorry if you had wanted to do that...

Edit: the keyword was 'XMJIPSITN'. They probably didn't bother making it guessable, because with long sections of text like this, you can reverse out the code regardless.

I'll hold off on translating, and just wait for Abie's. Mine have been off a few times, so I'll just avoid creating any confusion.

**Posted:** Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:48 pm

amandel

No worries, israfel070, it's about collaboration.....

Was not in IRC as I was working on it all day and would like to know which Vigenere generater you used for the solve.
Kenders had given "xm_ibsitn" as a choice which I was still adjusting when I saw your post.

**Posted:** Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:26 pm

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israfel070 · Boot Joined: 10 Jun 2009 Posts: 40

http://cs.colgate.edu/faculty/nevison/Core139Web/tools/vigenere-cracker.html

I had Abraxas on my side too, he narrowed it down to 8 or 9 digits for the key

**Posted:** Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:16 pm

Abraxas

**Posted:** Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:10 pm

amandel

**Posted:** Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:27 am

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israfel070 · Boot Joined: 10 Jun 2009 Posts: 40

I didn't mean to make such a suggestion, if it's me you're irked at. I was just answering Abie's specific question about whether the codes' symbolism had been mentioned; I hadn't heard anything like that before. I know you're very team-minded and I very much appreciate it.

**Posted:** Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:20 am

amandel

This email arrived shortly ago. Should I receive any more emails I will post them here.

**Posted:** Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:44 am

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Abraxas

Yesterday, after Israfel sent the decoded - or rather encoded, if we had done it properly Laughing

- message to Abie, a few of us in chat worked on a translation without writing it down. Well, I wrote it down, but didn't post it, since Israfel expressed concern about spec translations.
Didn't really worry about it at the time, but later on I was thinking that we are supposed to learn the language and we should have sent what we could work out and not expect Abie to translate it for us. Turns out that she expected us to at least try.

Meta Edit: Then again, she didn't want us to see it in the first place, right? In light of that, I can see why Israfel didn't bother to attempt it. Apparently, we were supposed to demand the 2nd part and that created this inconsistency in attitude in Abie. But it is also an inconsistency with us...if we don't want her to see the message at first, why do we not make any attempt to translate it before we send it to her anyway? Razz

The fact that she wants us to translate it and does not keep us in the dark, could that be proof that her intentions are noble? Did we just trick her into revealing her attitude?
Meta End

We had already got"gi" and "yatux" before Abie now told us.
Here is what we got, plus what Israfel and finally Abie provided:

**Posted:** Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:08 am

Abraxas

Abie is in chat!
Although it might be the TEDO in a few...

I sent her the above translation, I hope that was ok. I guess it is, since there is nothing we can keep from her any more.

Abie thinks that the messages were not written by TEDO. I once expressed that theory. Another player?
Crazy theory: Her brother is alive.

Abie has vanished and there are no TEDO, either. Hmm. Immortal duties, maybe...
She's back!

here is the log

I was on my own, but Abie is easier to talk to than TEDO. Laughing

However, that may be the trick.
Could it be that Tylean does not want Abie to find him? Desperately searching for the twist? Abie never responded if we got the thing about "wanting the earth to be empty" right...

The gist of it:
I got a nice lecture about the nature of possessives. The language uses -na to indicate more possessives are coming up, then uses -nul for the final one. Or -mul, in Oldespeak. She says this used to be the form, but nobody uses it any more. The only one who might is Tylean.

Abie thinks that Tylean sent the messages. Mainly because he uses the old possessive -mul like I just said and would be the only one who dares to mention the Dorslishn and even use their name as a key. And because the signature is different.

She acknowledges the grammar mistakes. Which makes her think they hide a secret message. I doubt my saying so was news to her. Once we had given her the message, there was no turning back. If she turns out to be the evil one, here.

Now we could still try to find Tylean before she does.

Edit:
We tried adding up the letters of the typos, but that spells either ".emmnaul" or "ulnamem." backwards (taking the letters of each word as one entity). That looks slightly more sensible, but still...we don't know any words remotely like that.
If you accept that Gi and Tnem are typos, because it shouldn't be capitalised, you'd get:
[t]nem - [.][g]i - jien[em] - korpata[m]ul - dhrem[na] - ol[ul] - zurk(ul)
which then spells "t.gemmnaul" or "ulnamemg.t"
Confused

Both doesn't consider that "Zurkul" should lose the "ul" and how that is handled.
Looks like a deadend.

She repeated the sentence with wrong grammar multiple times.
"She is the knowledge of the location of the book." Exclamation

I think we may want to concentrate on how this is not wrong, after all, and exactly what Tylean - or whoever - wants us to see.

On the other end, we still have the snowy mountain of the south, the 1st Duke of Wellington and apples.

Oh, I see I didn't post what she has translated. Well, she didn't send me a translation of her own, but she corrected a few parts. Here it is as it stands, corrections in bold:

**Posted:** Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:17 am

AUZ505

Short chat with The Book (unfortunately I have no time):

**Posted:** Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:18 am

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