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[LOCKED] Discuss the Axon .wav files and their transscripts here
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ABoxInABox
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We know that the chatter-net can be hacked.

We know that Melissa/Durga/Operator can hack (the phones for the axons).

When Durga tells Jursey "I can do more than that", is she hacking the chatter-net to keep track of her? If so, then the Jannisary and Durga sagas are told from the point of view of whoever's chatter-thing was hacked.

But where is Kamal's Dating coming into this?

It's possible that the blips have something to do with this. So, discarding that last theory, I'll have this one instead.

We are told at the beginning of each saga about some power failures (in Janissary, the power cuts-out and the base is alerted to Jan, in Durga, the Jersey's computer restarts, and in Dating, the ear piece cuts out).

What if, Durgra arrived at Earth and attached to the nearest computer, causing the power failures. After a certain amount of time, jumped to another computer, and another, creating the chapters. Eventually, she arrives at a big enough computer to host herself (Jerseys). That means that the Derga saga comes last, and can explain why Kamal's conversations were recorded.

[EDIT] Edited for grammar.

[EDIT] Replaced "blip" with "power failure" by request. "Blackout" doesn't have a ring to it Smile

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truegent
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ABoxInABox,
Little 'correction'. I presume that by blip you mean the blackout. The blip in the WAV title refers to a warning light showing an intrusion (Jan's) in the facility.

In any case, nice theory. It doesn't 'feel' right to me, but I can't find any real flaws to it. We are presuming that Kemal looses the earpiece and Jersey's system reboots because of a blackout, but it is not stated or directly implied. I say run with it Wink

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ABoxInABox wrote:
What if, Durgra arrived at Earth and attached to the nearest computer, causing the blip. After a certain amount of time, jumped to another computer, and another, creating the chapters. Eventually, she arrives at a big enough computer to host herself (Jerseys). That means that the Derga saga comes last, and can explain why Kamal's conversations were recorded.


It's possible. Durga shows up for the first time in the Jersey segments 37 seconds from the start, which logically would be 37 seconds from the blackout. The conversation recorded on the earpiece of the Kamal segment last for a minute and three seconds after the blackout. It's possible that Durga was transitioning from Kamal to Jersey for the remaining 26 seconds, which is about the time Durga seems to become fully awake on Jeresy's computer (a minute three on Jersey brings us to "Waking up. Wake up. Stay Awake.").

It is possible, but it something about it doesn't seem quite right. I think it's more likely that Durga landed on Jersey's computer and found her way to the other segments. The segue to Jan's story is the natural thing to follow Jersey, but the Kamal segement doesn't seem to fit with either one, superficially speaking.

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Something else that seems to have been overlooked Up to this point is that Jan is covering for Dwayne, who is the security guys son. The one who has Jans picture under her pillow.

Not that it has any real relevance to the overall story, but there is a connection there that has so far not been mentioned.

Dwaynes father would be spiked for deriliction. So Dwayne stole his fathers ID? or something to get to the motorpool, stole a razorback and then flipped it, and Jan had to break in and return the pass or something so that it wouldn't point to Mr Security Guard.

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Alright, feel free to trout me, but I happened to think of this today (in the dentist's office no less)

Jan's full name is Janissary. And I remembered that Janissary is the name of an ancient turkish fighting force. She's clearly special as evidenced from the unlocked wav's today.

Just a thought.

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Anonymousless wrote:
It is possible, but it something about it doesn't seem quite right. I think it's more likely that Durga landed on Jersey's computer and found her way to the other segments. The segue to Jan's story is the natural thing to follow Jersey, but the Kamal segement doesn't seem to fit with either one, superficially speaking.

But, that doesn't explain how Durga came across Kamal. I don't think Durga is going to do things randomly, unless that was the only option. If you can find a reason, I'd be tempted to sway from my theory.

Neveth wrote:
Alright, feel free to trout me, but I happened to think of this today (in the dentist's office no less)

Jan's full name is Janissary. And I remembered that Janissary is the name of an ancient turkish fighting force. She's clearly special as evidenced from the unlocked wav's today.

Just a thought.

Sorry, that was covered around sixty pages back

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Neveth wrote:
Janissary


Trout doesn't feel right with 60+ pages a day of text to read through, but...

Take a look over at [SPEC] Jan James (janissary meaning) over in 'Puzzles'.

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I have another thought, but it is complete Spec.

What if Kamal is Jersey? Maybe Kamal is just a "Hacker name"

The reasons I think that is that Jersey is obviously a Hacker of some sort, as evidenced by him have substantial enough hardware for a AI to take up residence, as well as having Navy AI's trying to get past his security bot.

I have other points but I'm all confused now.

Whats other peoples thoughts.

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ABoxInABox wrote:
But, that doesn't explain how Durga came across Kamal. I don't think Durga is going to do things randomly, unless that was the only option. If you can find a reason, I'd be tempted to sway from my theory.


You're right, I can't explain why Durga would come across Kamal, I think it may end up being revealed at a later date. As for why, I think my misgivings stem from the fact that I can think of no reason for her to continue to following Kamal over several days after manifesting on Jersey's system, or why she hould leave Kamal for Jersey in the first place. Kamal must undoubtedly have a pretty decent set-up for his ghosting tricks, so why migrate from one perfectly good system to another?

Like I said, your explanation is possible, and there is some limited coincidental evidence that could lead to that conclusion. However, it still just strikes me as "wrong" in some way, and my intuitive logic is telling me that she came to Jersey first, and picked up the other two for some reason after the fact. Of course, at this point, we don't have enough actual information to give strong weight to any specific path of speculation.

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graphite wrote:
I have another thought, but it is complete Spec.

What if Kamal is Jersey? Maybe Kamal is just a "Hacker name"

The reasons I think that is that Jersey is obviously a Hacker of some sort, as evidenced by him have substantial enough hardware for a AI to take up residence, as well as having Navy AI's trying to get past his security bot.

I have other points but I'm all confused now.

Whats other peoples thoughts.


This doesn't seem to make sense. Jersey is clearly a teenager - a kid in high school even. The actor has added fake puberty-cracking to his voice.

Kamal sounds a little older, and has a mother concerned enough about his singleness to be setting up dates for him from a distant planet. Plus he appears to have a roommate of similar age (and dating skill). I would put at least 10 years between the two.

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tschepsit wrote:
graphite wrote:
I have another thought, but it is complete Spec.

What if Kamal is Jersey? Maybe Kamal is just a "Hacker name"

The reasons I think that is that Jersey is obviously a Hacker of some sort, as evidenced by him have substantial enough hardware for a AI to take up residence, as well as having Navy AI's trying to get past his security bot.

I have other points but I'm all confused now.

Whats other peoples thoughts.


This doesn't seem to make sense. Jersey is clearly a teenager - a kid in high school even. The actor has added fake puberty-cracking to his voice.

Kamal sounds a little older, and has a mother concerned enough about his singleness to be setting up dates for him from a distant planet. Plus he appears to have a roommate of similar age (and dating skill). I would put at least 10 years between the two.
I say jersey is 17-18, otherwise he wouldn't be allowed to participate in this game, cause this game is rated mature. Laughing
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The only spec I have for the connection between Jersey, Jan, and Kamal is that they might all live in the same building. We know from the wavs that at least Jersey and Jan live in the same building, because he says she is on the 4th floor of this building. My speculation is that when Jersey says now you're everywhere to Durga, is that she isn't just everywhere on his hard drive, but everywhere in the building. And she decides to listen in on all the conversations she finds important. Or maybe just finds Kamal's ghosting setup and ghosts people in the building. Weak spec, but its all I got thus far.

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Anonymousless wrote:
ABoxInABox wrote:
But, that doesn't explain how Durga came across Kamal. I don't think Durga is going to do things randomly, unless that was the only option. If you can find a reason, I'd be tempted to sway from my theory.


You're right, I can't explain why Durga would come across Kamal, I think it may end up being revealed at a later date. As for why, I think my misgivings stem from the fact that I can think of no reason for her to continue to following Kamal over several days after manifesting on Jersey's system, or why she hould leave Kamal for Jersey in the first place. Kamal must undoubtedly have a pretty decent set-up for his ghosting tricks, so why migrate from one perfectly good system to another?

Well, it would be impossible to connect to another sytem without direct contact. Each time Durga found a better system, she'd have to jump in order to protect as much of herself as possible. It may have been that there was no contact with Kamal's computer, so she skipped between the ear piece, a household device (it's the future so I don't know what, maybe the door or toaster Smile ), and then other things before making contact with another device. That could have been a device carried Dwain's Dad, or Jersey's computer.

This theory also explains why Durga has very little memory (and possibly Melissa's very little everything). In order to fit onto small devices she had to delete memory (for Melissa it had to be more because of the small size of our personal computers, she rested at the ILB server because servers are a lot bigger than PCs).

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Well, possibly a kid in high school, maybe 17 or 18 though, since after all, he is interested in Jan. However, after lisening some more the two can't be the same since Kamal's mom is on Coral, whereas Jersey (and his mom)seems to be located on earth in the same location as Kamal. The reason I think this is because of the tuna being seemingly a rare dish. Jersey's mom was secretly seeing simon brown every other thursday. and had Tuna the last time the met. And Kamal was eating at the restaurant with his date at a location that served Tuna.

So the whole thing is taking place seemingly in 2 locations?
Atlanta (where there is tuna on the menu) (where Aiden and celine are)also Jersey and his mom are there. Also I would assume that The castaway (jersey's dad) is also from there. May explain why Melissa went back there since it was the Jersey's dad who talked to her and made her feel real.

The other location is in an unidentified location where Kamal and Sophie are.

There are references to coral (a colony/planet) and there is bergen county which is where the military base is?


Actually this is all confused.

Never mind me, I tried to clarify and I have confused myself.

Locations:
Jersey (and family), Jan James, JJ, military installation : Bergen county
Aiden and Celine: Atlanta
Kamal and Sophia: I would put them in Bergen County as well.

So everything that we hear recorded is in Bergen County? Yes?

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