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[SPEC] Jan James (janissary meaning)
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krystyn
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Dorkmaster wrote:
but it just doesn't hold up to the magnifying glass.


I dunno. The timbre is strikingly similar - it's almost as if J-squared is affecting a sort of faint east-coast-might-be-new-york-brooklyn-hard-working-tough-guy sort of pose with his voice.

I will happily accept them being two different actors, or the same actor - it doesn't much matter in terms of the game, anyhow - it's not like it would prove that Master Chief = J-squared. Seriously.

But, if you listen to that reel, you can hear how well Downes' voice changes (thanks to some good studio work, of course!) based on his material. His dialect is mostly straight-up Midwestern American, but some of the commercial clips (I am thinking of the BRD treatments one, here) he lets loose from his pro-voiceover voice for something more casual. He seems more than capable of the inflections of James James.

- another actor/director/theatre person, chiming in.

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 		Re: [SPEC] Jan James (janissary meaning)
I posted this earlier in this thread, but it looks as if it really belongs over here instead:

Shad0 wrote:
Back in the late 14th century, a Janissary was a member of an elite Turkish unit that guarded the Ottoman sultan and his household. They were originally made up of non-Muslim war captives and slaves, and later of young men taken from their homes at an early age.

The Janissaries were subject to strict rules, limiting their freedom and demanding higher than usual moral standards. For example, they had to convert to Islam, they were not permitted to grow beards, and (for the first couple of hundred years) they had to be celibate. On the other hand, they received certain privileges and benefits, such as tax exemption, a high standard of living, social status, and respect.

Over the years, the Janissaries grew more and more powerful, demanding pay raises and even dictating government policy. In the early 19th century, they revolted against the sultan, but they lost and were all either killed in battle, executed, or banished. Nowadays, the term sometimes refers more generally to any soldier in a privileged military class. It can even mean -- as you have pointed out -- any loyal supporter, e.g. of a politician.

Personally, I like the SPEC that J 2 named her "Janissary" because (a) she's not really his daughter, and (b) she's an elite, specially-trained unit.
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 		Possible Ackerson connection
For those of you who have read the Halo books, you know there is a man who is speculated to be devoloping another group of super-soldiers. Ackerson. He stole data from the Spartan program and may try to create a group that could defeat the Spartans. Since it seems the character of James James burnt down a police station that seems just like the kind of under-handed methods used by Ackerson. Futhermore if a group of soldiers were made who were better than Spartans then they most likely would be named after Persians, and I believe the Ottoman Empire was located in what used to be Persia.

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 		possible Ackerson connection (cont.)
The above theory also leads to some other speculation. If this all is happening remotely when "Halo" took place, Jan James can't be a Spartan, because she's only 17, while most Spartans seemed to be in their mid 30's. Also it helps support the theory that Jan James and James James are not true blood relatives, because if James^2 is Ackerson and Jan was the test subject of his "Janissary" project, she would have been raised by him from a very early age and thus might call him "Dad".

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 		Janis's father is -not- Master Chief.

Silly kids, haven't you read the books? Because the spartans were turned into spartans, they're nearly incapable of reproduction due to the changes made to their biological mainframe. Dr. Halsey explains this very clearly.

And if you have no idea who Dr. Halsey is, its time to pay a visit to your local Barnes & Noble Bookstore.

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 		James is a Spartan, just not MC himself???
I posted this in the Axon co_ords as well. There is some really good reading if you have the time at http://halosm.bungie.org/.

I think I have found some info, that may disband the J^2 is the master chief theory, On this site

http://halosm.bungie.org/story/spartan.html

there is a post some way down, and it goes like this.

"Malia Duncan writes:

Have any of you read "The Fall of Reach?!" Yes, of course you have. In addition to the others, the Spartan James floated off into space with still about 80 minutes of air left... "

" Ah, James. A large scale battle, ships, debris, SPARTAN ingenuity... Something tells me we haven't seen the last of him yet
-Finn"

So there is a Spartan James, and that he is unaccounted for. Also some people say that Earth has no idea of the flood/reach from what I have read. Also, there was talk about maybe some Spartan training after MC left, and people have alluded that the training may have been done on Earth by Mendez. well at least it is food for thought.

catching up on my Halo stories..

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 		That theory makes sense, but I will be very suprised if James is Jan's biological father. I'm going with a previous post that said something about this, it will be interesting to see who and what Jan really is and James as well.

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 		Spec on The J's motives and origins.
Spec:

"Emergency.wav" suggests that James "took care" of Jan's indiscretion by burning down the police station where DNA samples and other data from her was stored. A Spartan would never be caught so easily. I doubt they would harm humans and their institutions.

Then, The J's are not Spartans and are crime-friendly. Could they be the bad guys of this story?


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 		I had a different thought. You know how Kelly's DNA had some weird entry in First Strike. It was also implicated that ( I forget the guys name) was stealing spartan II data. I wonder if Jan is a whole body clone of Kelly.

She is (1) Extremely Fast, (2) can jump off a three story roof (3) is very smart. Clearly she is not a " normal" person.

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Crisko wrote:
Silly kids, haven't you read the books? Because the spartans were turned into spartans, they're nearly incapable of reproduction due to the changes made to their biological mainframe. Dr. Halsey explains this very clearly.


Ummmm....No, I don't think so. There wasn't a risk of sterility stemming from the augmentations, but there was blindness, elephatiasis, cardiac arrest, various neurological disorders, and more. Still, I could be wrong.

Got a reference Crisko?

Luke P.

: My info comes primarily from The Fall of Reach, pg. 56.

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 		Actually, they arent sterile but they do have a suppressed sex drive. So they can have children, but it is hard for them......to..wel........get hard.
I am reading the First Strike novel now just becuase all of this ILB is making me wanna read it again. Kelly did have something weird with her DNA and they never say what it is.
Also, I like the idea of James floating through space but these clips take place before the covies show up. Therefore, James cant float through space after fighting covies, survive, and live in a place where the covies havent been seen yet. Barring some sort of time warp.

Also, yes i know. There are time warps in Halo but I doubt it happens here.

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 		Bobeo, that was one of the risk factors, but it didn't necessarily apply to ALL the SPARTANs.

Still, I think their training emphasized... "unattachement" for the SPARTANs, and who knows how long it'll take them to overcome their training when the war's all over.

Luke P.

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 		I am just having a hard timne geting from
Jan- somehow special-maybe enhanced-maybe has biological father/maybe not- father is SSF all of the way Jan is a SpartanI/II/III or even Her dad is MC/A spartanI/II/III. It just seems to coincidental and easy. That is every person first guess. She HAS to be a spartan and so far, this ARG hasnt been that easy.
One last thing, so far the only connections to the Halo universe have been very small. I dont think they would throw this HUGE connection in now. I think that by the end of this ARG, it still wont have any spartans.
I just cant get there.

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Bobeo wrote:
One last thing, so far the only connections to the Halo universe have been very small. I dont think they would throw this HUGE connection in now. I think that by the end of this ARG, it still wont have any spartans.


Too late.

Given that at this point Melissa has mentioned Spartans, Covies, and Reach burning, making the assumption that someone who can infiltrate a military base almost undetected, jump off a three-story building without harm, and is named "Janissary" (hello!) just might be a Spartan is pretty natural. In fact, I'd say that not making that connection would be kind of obtuse of us.
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Heresiarch wrote:
Too late.

Given that at this point Melissa has mentioned Spartans, Covies, and Reach burning, making the assumption that someone who can infiltrate a military base almost undetected, jump off a three-story building without harm, and is named "Janissary" (hello!) just might be a Spartan is pretty natural. In fact, I'd say that not making that connection would be kind of obtuse of us.

Agreed. Whether she's one of Halsey's Spartans or Ackerson's is up for debate, but I'd bet money she's involved in one of the two programs. There are a few possibilities:

I expect that this story occurs between 2525 (Discovery of the Covenant) and 2552 (Events of Halo), likely towards the later end of the scale.

1) Jan is the result of Spartan breeding. This could be done either the traditional way (cue the porn music), or by in vitro fertilization. The latter is the most likely, since it'd be trivial to collect DNA or reproductive cells from the Spartans during their multiple surgeries and operations. It could be that Halsey went rogue at the end of First Strike to continue her program with a second generation of Spartans, except that this time, she has DNA resulting from the crossbreeding of the best human DNA in the galaxy. This could also be how Ackerson started his program; remember, in First Strike, Halsey discovers that Ackerson has basically stolen Kelly's entire file. Kelly's trademark was her superior speed, and the security guys do remark on Jan's speed.

What if Ackerson stole Kelly's file, flash cloned a few organs, and then grew Jan in vitro from DNA gleaned from the resulting organs? Alternately, what if Kelly's file contained her reproductive data, which Ackerson used to create Jan? He's certainly slimy enough to.

It's POSSIBLE that Jan is a complete flash clone of one of the Spartans, because she is still 17. If this is the case, then she will be dead in a few years, but she's well within the time spec.

2) Jan is another "potential" - a naturally-born person identified as a potential supersolder by either Halsey or Ackerson, who is in some sort of training or grooming program.

3) Jan's a normal kid with superior genes. This is the least likely, I think, becase a) it's boring, and b) her father's "lint" tends to indicate there's some mystery surrounding her.

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