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[Viral] "There's Something In The Sea" - Bioshock 2?

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Dread Cthulhu
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Re: about the update...

SageGrey wrote:

the message from his wife has a warning, saying that she has been having unpleasant contact with Det. Stango.

the property invoice also has an "Arden N. Wray" building, another anagram of Andrew Ryan.

D'oh!! Missed that.

I had wondered about the name of the building, but didn't put the two together.

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:55 pm

SageGrey
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Re: about the update...

Dread Cthulhu wrote:

SageGrey wrote:

D'oh!! Missed that.

I had wondered about the name of the building, but didn't put the two together.

With Ryans' name coming up so frequently, is it possible that OOL could be giving a warning about Ryan? or a message to him?

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

We "know" (read: assume) that Ryan is dead at the hands of Jack. is it possible that he somehow returns? with all of the genetic enhancements in Rapture, is it too far fetched to think that cloning may have been available?

on another note...

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

Is it possible that the Import - Export wharehouse is where Fontaine got his smuggled goods?

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:09 pm

Dread Cthulhu
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Re: about the update...

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We know Ryan died and that the nearest Vita-Chamber was deactivated. He could have had other options, given the technology of Rapture.

OOL would seem to be fixated on Ryan -- all the anagrams

As for the other...

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I would think that the construction of Rapture and the early years would have required some small flow of goods from the surface -- things they couldn't obtain or manufacture below the surface in the early years. Perhaps the smugglers, perhaps a part of the supply chain for the construction of Rapture... and, depending on how close to the waterfront the warehouse is, something more...

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 7:50 am

Silent_Bish
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Dread Cthulhu wrote:

Silent_Bish wrote:

So, having read this forum from the start and been following along for a while, I have an observation/hypothesis of my own to offer up.

Tenebaum survives the events of Bioshock 1 and to my ear speaks with a french accent.

Celeste has negative opinions on Lutwidge, has tried to "find rapture", and was the "Only survivor". Also, french accent.

While the accent may be the thread I am tenuously tying these people together with, is it possible they are now the same individual. Celeste may have very well died up in the mountains, and a dead person can't complain about identity theft.

Tenenbaum has a German / German-Yiddish accent, unless my ears have gone tin on me.

Ahhh, guess my ears are a bit off, though I will never claim they ever were any good.

Though my ineptitude aside, that doesn't necessarily mean it is a bad wild accusation. We can surmise that Tenenbaum is going to be involved in the game, and Inman does call her story in to question rather blatantly. Celeste seems like she has had experience with Lutwidge and has gone "Looking for Rapture" as well. Granted, there is no real basis for it, but I wouldn't be surprised if they take that angle.

/shrug

Not an entirely useful contribution, but it is what I got.

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:23 am

Dread Cthulhu
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Silent_Bish wrote:

Oh, it's not wholly outside the realm of possibility... all I'm really saying is that A) the accents don't match and B) I can't see enough story evidence or support to really agree... This doesn't mean you're not having a brilliant intuitive insight for which supporting evidence will be shortly forthcoming.

On the other hand, it all may be what it seems on the surface -- Celeste was burned and burned badly by Lutwidge's advice / disinformation and sees him as a threat to Mark.

Part of the problem is that the pattern here is a lot like an old Spectagraph drawing -- lots of loops around a central point. We don't know what the real relationships or connections between the loops outside how they tell Mark they relate. Inmann doesn't trust Celeste. Inmann tells Mark not to trust Celeste. Inmann also says there is a lot of disinformation on The Vanishing -- we have reason to believe that Lutwidge himself is a major source of this disinformation through an article in the archive (the Monthly Undergrounder), but we're still playing with a lot more known unknowns and unknown unknowns than hard facts.

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:44 am

Lairosiel
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Silent_Bish wrote:

Dread Cthulhu wrote:

Silent_Bish wrote:

Tenenbaum has a German / German-Yiddish accent, unless my ears have gone tin on me.

we don't need to surmise that she will be involved. you talk to her in one of the game play videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMcwXXuTd00

(you can see it in 3:00)

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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:48 am

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einzelwolf wrote:

Dread Cthulhu wrote:

einzelwolf wrote:

Dread Cthulhu wrote:

einzelwolf wrote:

About Andrew Ryan in the Bioshock wiki:

In 1932 he was named by "Life magazine" as the youngest billionaire in the country.

From wikipedia about the statue of Liberty:

In 1916, floodlights were placed around the base of the statue.[21] Also in 1916, the Black Tom explosion caused $100,000 worth of damage ($1.98 million in 2008 dollars[22]) to the statue, embedding fragmentation and eventually leading to the closing of the torch to visitors. The same year, Gutzon Borglum, sculptor of Mount Rushmore, modified the original copper torch by cutting away most of the copper in the flame, retrofitting glass panes and installing an internal light.[23] After these modifications, the torch severely leaked rainwater and snowmelt, accelerating corrosion inside the statue. President Franklin D. Roosevelt rededicated the Statue of Liberty on its 50th anniversary (October 28, 1936).

Isn't it possible that during these repairs and modifications Ryan had nothing to do with it? I am not saying that he placed a Bathysphere inside the statue because he didn't even think of building Rapture at that time but what are the chances that he may have done "something" with it? Buy it? Rent a part of it?

Not sure the timeline would scan. Ryan died in 1960, at age 68. Per the Bioshock Wiki, Ryan's impetus to build Rapture was the bombing of Hiroshima in 1945. Ryan was in no position to take advantage of the Black Tom damage or the installation of the floodlights -- too soon, since he didn't even emigrate to the United States until 1927.

The repair of the torch has a bit more potential, but they would still have to ret-con Ryan's decision to build Rapture, assuming the Wiki is 100% correct.

The simplest explanation is that Ryan (or, perhaps more likely, Ludwidge) took advantage of the Statue's positioning to use it for the next navigational clue to Rapture.

However, the wiki hints at a longer connection between Ludwidge and Ryan. The upper right-hand news-clipping mentions a partnership between Ludwidge's pseudonym and one A. Rianofski -- the birth-name of one Andrew Ryan.

Exactly, there is a chance that Lutwidge was an employee/partner of Andrew Ryan or Andrei Rianofsky. Maybe he knew of his plans of building Rapture, their society began in 1946 after the Hiroshima bombing so it makes sense that maybe Ryan used Lutwidge's intelligence/knowledge for his purposes?

More than a chance -- the newspaper clipping would seem to spell it out. That said, I don't think Ryan or Ludwidge has had much in the way of an opportunity to do anything elaborate with the Statue of Liberty. There shouldn't be a submarine there, as Aluminus suggested, nor should there be anything really intrusive-- the time-line previously disclosed doesn't support it without major ret-conning.

As it is a tourist site, any modification or addition would have to be subtle -- park personnel and tourists would spot any gross modification and neither Ryan or Ludwidge would have had the opportunity to heavily modify Liberty Island. Likewise, for Lady Liberty to be looking toward Rapture, Ryan would have had to positioned Rapture to make it so -- which, given Ryan's tendency toward megalomania and powerful symbolism (the image of Libertas breaking free of her shackles and walking toward Rapture would be a powerful one that would appeal to Ryan), might make sense.

But Ryan's ability to commit wholesale landscaping was limited until Rapture. I think we'll find some sort of subtle navigational reference at the island -- just the next clue on the path to Rapture.

But, speaking of which, perhaps Jack's crash in the first game was an end-run on a more elaborate "underground railroad" and/or testing process for people to get into Rapture.

Please read my edit to my previous post. Orson Orville Lidell & Ogdred O. Lewis are located in Queens N.Y. , any relation with the red queen?

Just trying to stablish some connections here.

It seems that my previous connection between Queens N.Y. and the Red Queen was not that farfetched after all, at least from Meltzer's eyes.

Let's also note that one of the main avenues in Queens is called Utopia parkway, heh.

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:01 am

Dread Cthulhu
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einzelwolf wrote:

Remember -- Mark isn't always right...

But, yeah, with the Utopia parkway comment and OOL living there, it seems to make a little more sense.

Although it does seem to be a heck of a throw-away clue.

There are four locations for Mark to investigate (although the book's code would seem to advise otherwise).

OOL's manufacturing site (where he builds his gear)
OOL's home in Queens (a duplex -- one to live and one for notes / research?)
OOL's warehouse (where he stores his creations)
OOL's Park Ave property (??????????)

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:10 am

FSURobbie
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Dread Cthulhu wrote:

OOL's manufacturing site (where he builds his gear)
OOL's home in Queens (a duplex -- one to live and one for notes / research?)
OOL's warehouse (where he stores his creations)
OOL's Park Ave property (??????????)

I can't shake a hunch that Lutwidge was somehow involved with Fontaine's smuggling ring but that just seems too far-fetched when I think about it. Seems more likely he had these properties to help him find Rapture itself, it's just such a convenient fit (the smuggling ring that is).

Either way, dude was loaded. Mark needs to go investigate already.

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:27 am

Dread Cthulhu
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FSURobbie wrote:

Dread Cthulhu wrote:

Not really -- a submarine built to carry supplies to build Rapture can just as easily carry contraband after Rapture reaches self-sufficiency in those supplies. We've already seen that OOL is willing to say what people want to hear and play both ends against the middle, there's nothing to stop him from playing Fontaine off against Ryan.

As for being loaded, Ryan was an industrialist and a visionary, not a scientist / inventor. It could be that Lutwidge was one of Ryan's hirelings, developing the necessary technologies for Rapture to become more than Ryan's vision.

If you follow Ryan's behavior when challenged by Fontaine, his behavior was rather pedestrian -- he behaved in most of the same ways the parasites of the surface would have behaved -- nationalizing Fontaine Futuristics, using his power to crush dissent, using plasmids to make the people vulnerable to pheromone control... I think Ryan may have needed Lutwidge more than OOL may have needed Ryan.

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:45 am

Lairosiel
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:33 pm

FSURobbie
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Lairosiel wrote:

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WHAT!?!?!??!?!?!?!!??!

Aw man, I'm going to be in CA next week...maybe I can swing down from San Jose and try and see what's going on. I doubt it though, it would be over 8 hours...

Crap in a hat.

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:45 pm

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Jhonen will also be at our BioShock 2 booth (#5033) at the San Diego Comic-Con On Saturday, July 25th from 2-4 PM, signing a Comic-Con special edition printing of "The Sisters." Come by early for a chance to receive one of these 500 prints, meet the artist, and check out the booth

http://www.2kgames.com/cultofrapture/jhonen.html

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:48 pm

FSURobbie
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Quote:

http://www.2kgames.com/cultofrapture/jhonen.html

That makes me feel a little better. Hopefully there wont be something directly related to the viral going on. I would hate to know I was so close and missed out. If someone is going to be there let us know so you can be our eyes, ears and (potentially) hands...Trades can be arranged for hardwork if there is something handed out at the con (anyone remember the Joker dollars?).

Wink

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:55 pm

Robbs
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Not much new in this update, just a summary of what Meltzer found out about Lutwidge, and a new message from Lynch

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 7:32 pm

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