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StarkRavingMad · Decorated Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 250

My only spec comes from the fact that the source code said "modular times table pattern". To me, that indicates that maybe the pictograph itself is not supposed to be a modular times table, but that there is some sort of pattern in a mod23 table which we are supposed to use to decode/rearrange/isolate certain symbols out of the pictograph.

I know someone looked at the pictograph where all the "1"s would be on a mod 23 table...has that been done with all of the numbers?

**Posted:** Sat Mar 29, 2003 2:34 pm

drizjr · Guest

pattern>eye>numbers>? spoiler?

**Posted:** Sat Mar 29, 2003 7:03 pm

Barbarellany · Decorated Joined: 12 Nov 2002 Posts: 245

Maybe we are supposed to start at 1

**Posted:** Sun Mar 30, 2003 1:20 am

Diandra · Unfettered Joined: 27 Sep 2002 Posts: 390

It's not pretty. I did it quickly, and hopefully correctly, but here's a chart of the symbols that would be found in the places where the single digits appear in our grid. Feel free to correct any errors.

The single digits are what make up the "eye" pattern.

Dia

Ignore the red boxes...those were for reference.

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Diandra · Unfettered Joined: 27 Sep 2002 Posts: 390

Some people in chat asked me why I did the above graphic. It was the use of the word "pattern". The first link refers to mod25, but the principle is the same.

Refer to

http://www.nas.com/~kunkel/mod/mod25.htm
http://ccins.camosun.bc.ca/~jbritton/jbmodart.htm

Other people also picked up on the pattern aspect, as well...so I think it's worthy of investigation relating to our chart. None of our other theories have panned out as yet, so it can't hurt to try.

Dia

**Posted:** Sun Mar 30, 2003 1:51 am

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Look at the blank squares.

**Posted:** Sun Mar 30, 2003 9:37 am

catherwood

and here i was thinking those "micky mouse ear" locks were made-up, but I see them in the newsletter:

http://www.aglauranj.org/hnnews/page2.htm
and on
http://www.aglauranj.org/hnnews/default.htm

ok, now i'm getting sucked in!

**Posted:** Sun Mar 30, 2003 12:53 pm

ram · Greenhorn Joined: 29 Mar 2003 Posts: 6

Newbie misstake....I should have posted here....Sorry

I'm not sure that I've seen all suggestions and efforts to solve this puzzle. I just hope that I'm not repeting some old (and futile) idea.

The pattern discussion is interesting but still I'd like to try something else... Please stop me if I'm trying to reinvent the wheel....

The suggestion is to create the "modulo z23 multiplication" and compere it with the puzzel.
http://www.mopi.org/ctw/mythosphere.org/tab1full.gif

Then collect the figures in the z23 occupying same the positions as some symbol i the puzzle for example "eyes". The resulting numbers might generate a new code that is solveable with letter substitution. The z23 will probably not generate figures from 0 to 25 but probably enough figures to write a message.

My modulos math are too poor so my efforts to create the z23 were in vain. If someone has calculated it please post the result so I can try this idea.

ram

**Posted:** Sun Mar 30, 2003 2:05 pm

confucious · Greenhorn Joined: 21 Mar 2003 Posts: 4

More ways of looking at the

**Posted:** Mon Mar 31, 2003 1:07 am

ram · Greenhorn Joined: 29 Mar 2003 Posts: 6

I've looked at the links confucious posted and earlier links that I had missed...
I'm sad to say that neither helped me solve the puzzle. But at the end of the day I started to think about the "eye" pattern.

While browsing the discussions in "CTW: General/Updates" I found the discussion conserning the the pattern in Sarah Wyatts picture

http://www.aglauranj.org/hnnews/page2.htm

To me the patterns in the picture reminds of the "eye" pattern. I don't know if this helps. Anyway, I want to mension the possible connection between the "eye" and Sahra Wyatts art (and fate?).

ram.

**Posted:** Mon Mar 31, 2003 1:12 pm

AbuAmaal

File: Confucious' first table as jpg

**Posted:** Mon Mar 31, 2003 10:59 pm

Barbarellany · Decorated Joined: 12 Nov 2002 Posts: 245

Do these images help figure this sucker out at all. It's all I could come up with from the new email

**Posted:** Mon Mar 31, 2003 11:15 pm

dmax

SPEC:

**Posted:** Tue Apr 01, 2003 1:30 am

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Barbarellany · Decorated Joined: 12 Nov 2002 Posts: 245

Still playing with this but trying to look at it in other ways.
If we reduce mod23 to only show the single digits then only use the 4 symbols from the "pointer" gif we find

The dot shows up 1x - 1st place value =1 total=1
Rune shows up 6x - 1st place value =1 other values 2,4,4,7,8 total=26
spider/beatle 6x - 1st place value =3 other values 3,3,6,1,7 total=23
Dragon/lamassu 3x - 1st place value=3 other values 9,4 total 16

There are 16 total symbols in this field
none of the symbols have a value of 5
the empty square has a value of 1
our alphabet has 26 characters (commented elsewhere that the full count upper and lower case letters plus numerals = 62, the same as the full count of symbols)
We are using mod 23

Does this ring any bells for anyone?

**Posted:** Tue Apr 01, 2003 6:10 pm

kimer

Re: Single Digit AND First Positions

**Posted:** Tue Apr 01, 2003 6:46 pm

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