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dmax
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 		from Kendra
Quote:
Dan,

I actually prefer much more casual e-mail, but in my line of work I've found
it's always better to default to too formal rather than too casual. Lots of
patients seem to appreciate the old-fashioned formal address because it doesn't
come across as condescending as when I'm calling them by their first names and
they're calling me Dr. Kendra. And as you know, doctors have big egos, and
I've run into too many that take it as a personal slight if you don't use their
proper title, even when I've got the same exact one.

Dale (since we're going casual) was headed home as far as I know. At least,
that's where he told me he was going. He did see the video clips while he was
at Klepsydra, and, besides being a very emotional experience, he did confirm
that the little girl is Meaghan. I also was in touch with the staff at
Greatwater General where they were all taken after the accident, I think it's
safe to assume that the bodies that were brought in from the accident scene
were those of Diana and Meaghan.

Otherworldly e-mail seems like an oxymoron. E-mail by its nature is mundane
and scientific, not to mention easily faked from what I understand. I would
consider the fact that Dale works with computers for a living and that he was
not in the best frame of mind. He could have possibly even sent weird e-mails
to himself. I am intrigued by this possibility because I haven't seen this
type of behavior before. However, I would need a whole lot more proof before I
buy an explanation that falls on the other side of Occam's razor.

Maybe you could help me out. I'd like to follow up on this Ash Grove Park that
Dale talked about. I can't find a listing for it, though. I don't have a lot
of time to spend on tracking this down; I'm already answering e-mails from home
at 10:00 p.m. because I ran out of time today. If you or one of Dale's many
self-proclaimed friends could get me a number or address, I'd appreciate it. I
asked Dale for this info, but it's probably not on his priority list, and I'm
not going to bug him about it.

-Michelle Kendra

Michelle Kendra, MD
Inpatient & Outpatient Psychiatry
Princeton, NJ Headquarters
Klepsydra Mental Health Facility Network


Ideas for my response?
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 		From "elderofzion" @collectivedetective.org
Subject: Contact: Mail from Dr. Kendra

Quote:
The mystery of AGP deepens. I've emailed back, attaching a copy of the
site's map.

Oh, she also confirms our suspicion that there was never any real
effort to confirm the ID of the bodies -- dead woman and girl in Dale's car
= Dale's wife and kid in car

Her email, followed by the original:

Dear Mr. Walker,

I have communicated with the ER doctors who were working at Greatwater General when Mr. Sprague and his family were brought in. Since Diana and Meaghan were DOA and the bodies were found at the accident scene, other identification would seem unnecessary. I think it's obvious that it was their bodies that were found at the scene.

I hope maybe you can use your investigative skills to come up with
something a bit more mundane. Mr. Sprague talked about being at Ash Grove Park before the accident. There are a couple of things I'd like to
follow up with them. I have been unable to find any telephone listing for
that name, have tried variations, different spellings, etc., and I
can't find a telephone listing or any mention of any amusement parks with
that name or similar in any local guidebooks, tourist information
centers, etc. I asked him if he could get me a phone number, but if he
forgets I don't want to pressure him right now.

-Michelle Kendra


Dr. Kendra:
>
Thank you for your heartfelt response. I concur heartily with all your
sentiments. As an investigator, I've had occasion to see a lot of
strange things. But I'm not exactly comfortable with the idea of a six
fingered man who grants wishes -- particularly ones that turn out this
gruesomely.

If you are interested in helping us help Dale, I believe that there is
one task where your professional status could be extremely valuable,
while at the same time you would be committing no breach of ethical
standards. For the reasons you now know, we have been pushing and prodding
to try and get as much of the official record of the accident as we can.
The mayor is supposed to be working on obtaining a copy of the state
police's final report, but I understand that the actual eyewitnesses to
the crash have all mysteriously disappeared. Yet another item of
importance, however, is what emergency services and hospital personnel did in
regard to identifying the bodies of Diana and Meaghan. I understand
that both bodies were 'burned beyond recognition' -- but it is not clear
what that means. It appears possible that no autopsy, check of dental
records, etc., may have ever been performed -- since Dale was found in
the median, it was the family car, the bodies were the right size for
Diana and Meaghan, etc., they may simply have leaped to what appeared to
be a foregone conclusion.
>
If my speculations are true, this would obviously be a fact worth
knowing. It is also a fact that they are not likely to tell me as a PI, who
could potentially use it in litigation against them. But they might
tell you what happened, particularly if you were asking for this
information to aid in Dale's continued recovery. If you think you might be
willing to help us inthis area, please let me know -- your assistance would
be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks again for responding, and for the faith you've placed in Dale.
>
> Damon Walker

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I sent kendra, greene, and abbott the map of where AGP was supposed to be. We'll see if that triggers anything. I also acknowledged that it was doing a Brigadoon impersonation.
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 		Contact info for AGP
Elder - I may have missed something in your message and you maybe already gave her this info, but isn't this the contact info that we had for AGP from the whois info?
Quote:
AGP, Inc.
Desire Hunter
Upper Mill Road
Burlington County, NJ 08088
US
Phone: 201-555-6754
Email: webmasterSPLATashgrovepark.com

Registrar Name....: Register.com
Registrar Whois...: whois.register.com
Registrar Homepage: http://www.register.com

Domain Name: ASHGROVEPARK.COM

Created on..............: Tue, Nov 05, 2002
Expires on..............: Wed, Nov 05, 2003
Record last updated on..: Sun, Feb 23, 2003

Administrative Contact:
AGP, Inc.
Desire Hunter
Upper Mill Road
Burlington County, NJ 08088
US
Phone: 201-555-6754
Email: webmasterSPLATashgrovepark.com


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dmax
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 		he's safe, she's in the game with us
From me:
Quote:
Michelle:

Dale had mentioned in recent conversation that he was going to make
contact again tonight (Tuesday). He hasn't, and one of the last things
he mentioned was the appearance of the circular graffiti on his house.

My concern is that Wes Keeler had noticed strange men associated with
this new graffiti as it spread. Gang symbols? Who knows... It was
disturbing but unimportant at the time.

Now, with Dale noticing the graffiti actually on his own home and him
not making contact as planned, as well as all the troubles that he's
been through lately, I worry about his safety or state of his mental
health.

Would you be averse to making phone contact with him, just to make sure
he's safe? If he's OK, a gentle reminder that he'd promised contact
might be nice - but it's subordinate to the primary issue, his well
being. I realize that he has appointment with you in a few days, but
that might be too far down the road.

Thanks,

Dan
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And she replied:
Quote:
I looked at the files you sent, and I think you're reading too much into a
slight picture modification. Yes, it looks like one picture is a blow-up of
the other, since the clouds look the same in the background. However, the
presence or absence of an advertising banner doesn't seem that odd. Seen in
the park, I'm sure it was readable. It seems to me that it's not unusual to
modify pictures for use on a website, so going into Photoshop and removing the
banner for one version doesn't seem like a big deal.

Someone else sent me that map, but I haven't had time to go out there. I
really want Dale to take me, since I know that at least knows how to get to the
park even if we can't find it any other way.

I'm sorry, but I don't know who Wes Keeler is. I heard something briefly on
the news about circular graffitti in Aglaura--is that what you're talking
about? If it's on Dale's house, then I hope he takes it as an annoyance rather
than a sign of something. I can bring it up when I see him on Thursday, if it
would make you feel better. And have no fear--I got e-mail from Dale
yesterday, and he's fine.

-Michelle Kendra


Michelle Kendra, MD
Inpatient & Outpatient Psychiatry
Princeton, NJ Headquarters
Klepsydra Mental Health Facility Network
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This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/


Does that horde email site mean anything?
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dmax
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 		she's getting ticked
Quote:
Dan,

I went this evening with Dale to where Ash Grove Amusement Park was supposed to
be, and it wasn't there. Well, that's not entirely true. It was there, but it
was Ash Grove Park cemetery.

I cannot know for certain if you were a victim of what I now believe is Dale's
antisocial personality disorder and fell prey to his manipulations as I
apparently did, or if you were a part of this entire thing from the beginning and
for reasons inobvious to me, helped to set me up for his big practical joke.

In any case, I do not appreciate being made a fool, nor do I appreciate my
patients taking advantage of my willingness to go out of my way to help.
Consider this a warning to beware of Dale's stories if my first theory is true,
or to cease and desist all aid to him if my second scenario is true.

-Michelle Kendra

and I responded
Quote:
Wow! What a weird turn of events.

What happened once you got there? Did he seem surprised, or did he watch to see if his joke had worked on you?

I'm wondering how you reacted to it, and what happened to the two of you afterward. Ride home in silence? Big blowout about the joke?

FWIW, I don't consider you made a fool. If this is a joke, then he's a fool. If he's as confused as you, then we might just end up with a big dead end.

Thanks for keeping me posted, and let me know more when you can. Sometimes an outside perspective helps.

Dan

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 		Yes, she is pissed.

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:33:26 -0800
From: mkendraSPLATklepsydra.net | This is spam | Add to Address Book
To: "Barbara M"
Subject: Re: Memory filmclips

Dear Barbara,

You said it yourself, "Dale, being the web wiz he is," could have
easily faked
the date and time on the video, and after our escapade tonight, I
believe that is
the only possible explanation.

I took him at his word and went with him this evening to the alleged
site of Ash
Grove Park, which turned out to be a cemetery. I am certainly not
convinced that
his story has any merit; far from it. I am now convinced that Dale is
delusional
and manipulative as well. I have no way of knowing exactly who among
the many
people who have sent me e-mail actually believed his story and thought
they were
trying to help, vs. those who thought it would be a fine joke to waste
a
psychiatrist's time.

Your assistance to Dale, either in good faith or not, will only help to
keep his
delusion persistent. And please bear in mind that I do not have time
to waste
running around the countryside with delusional patients. I am willing
to do a
lot to help my patients, but I am not willing to either waste my
valuable time or
to be the victim of some big e-mail based joke.

-Michelle Kendra


Michelle Kendra, MD
Inpatient & Outpatient Psychiatry
Princeton, NJ Headquarters
Klepsydra Mental Health Facility Network

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dmax
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 		ouch!
Quote:
I find it highly suspicious that your first reaction to the news that your
alleged friend is indeed psychotic is wanting to know how well your joke went
over. Well, congratulations, I fell for the whole thing. I'm sure you must be
very proud of yourself, all the fabricated web-based evidence included. Sending
me even more at this point is just overkill. Really, you should learn when the
punchline of the joke is told, the joke is OVER.

The ride back was a mini therapy session with me telling Dale exactly what
medications he needs to be on and why. If that was what you were trying to
accomplish, well done.

I hope you can sleep at night.

-Michelle Kendra


Michelle Kendra, MD
Inpatient & Outpatient Psychiatry
Princeton, NJ Headquarters
Klepsydra Mental Health Facility Network


Ideas? Besides groveling?
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 		It seems she feels that this is all fake and a big joke on her. Now either she will always think it is a joke or that later thier will be a way to convince her. Or even that she is no longer important and Dale. Dare I say it will be brought back to the mental institution. We have to come up with a way to get her to do what we want her to do. Someone regain her trust.

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dmax
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 		I don't grovel
But I do try to patch it up:
Quote:
Michelle:

Oh, puh-leeze. Read the enclosed paragraph of my last email to you again. I'm not willingly a part of a joke or prank.

What I'm talking about is how Dale reacted on arrival to the cemetery and on the ride home. That information would give you a way to judge as to whether or not you and I had been part of a joke/prank/scam, or if he really believed a story that is now starting to unravel in the face of reality.

Like you said, after the punch line, the joke is done. The punch line - if the purpose was to make a joke - would have been when you pulled up in the car to see the "park." After that - after the supposed joke was over - he would have had to continue to interact with you on the ride home. That's the touchstone by which you can judge this.

Did he act like it was a joke? Did he point out that you'd been scammed? Did he lord it over you? Did he probe you to see how you felt on seeing the cemetery?

Or, did he appear surprised and/or apologetic and/or contrite? Simply put, did he look like he'd "won" or like he'd "lost?" From his letters to me, he was saddened by finding the cemetery. I didn't leap to the conclusion that he'd played a successful prank, and it surprises me that you'd make that leap. I think it's a misunderstanding.

This turn of events, and other details around it, are curiouser and curiouser. However, I followed him down the rabbit hole and I'm gonna try to make it to the end.

One thing that caught my eye this weekend was a picture in an Aglaura newsletter. A little info about her appears at
http://www.aglauranj.org/hnnews/page2.htm
and some of her art work. There's something wrong with that picture (obviously) and it's reminding me of something. I'm wondering if it's a manifestation of something classically psychiatric or something else. Have you seen it before? Was it med school or college? It's ringing a bell, as is her name, Sarah Wyatt. Maybe it's that she went missing and I read about her in the news somewhere, I don't know. Does that ring a bell with you?

Anyway, let me know if you've rethought this. I'd still be glad to have you working with me. You seem like you've got a lot on the ball.

Dan

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 		Today's mail

Quote:

Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:47:51 -0800
From: mkendraSPLATklepsydra.net | This is spam | Add to Address Book
To: pdobbsSPLATaglauranj.com
CC: barbarellanySPLATyahoo.com
Subject: Fwd: Memory filmclips

Dear Mr. Mayor,

Either the file is too big for me to send, or my e-mail program doesn't
like me
today. I am copying the person who sent me the clip in hopes that she
can
forward it to you directly. (Barbara, could you send a copy of the
clip you
sent me to pdobbsSPLATaglauranj.com? Thanks.)

-Michelle Kendra


Michelle Kendra, MD
Inpatient & Outpatient Psychiatry
Princeton, NJ Headquarters
Klepsydra Mental Health Facility Network



and this LOL
Quote:

It helps if I get the e-mail address correct. .com, .net, .org,
.biz...where
will it end? There are only so many things I can remember at once!

-Michelle


----- Forwarded message from MAILER-DAEMONSPLATup13.dnshub.net -----
Date: 31 Mar 2003 20:47:53 -0000
From: MAILER-DAEMONSPLATup13.dnshub.net
Reply-To: MAILER-DAEMONSPLATup13.dnshub.net
Subject: failure notice
To: mkendraSPLATklepsydra.net

Hi. This is the qmail-send program at up13.dnshub.net.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following
addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

<pdobbs@aglauranj.com>:
Sorry, I couldn't find any host named aglauranj.com. (#5.1.2)



Guess the PMs are getting confused as well. I guess I will try to send the mayor the film clips.

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 		Its not the PM's getting confused its the characters interacting. Maybe this is a good sign only time will tell

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 		less mad
Quote:
My last e-mail to you was overly harsh and accusatory, and I apologize. I had
to wait several days to calm down before I started answering e-mails again.

Upon further reflection, I believe that Dale may have gone into a dissociative
state as a result of the PTSD he is suffering from after the accident. In this
state, I believe he created a whole website, complete with the video clips with
the time stamp on them, using a domain name he had registered some time
before. Once back in his normal state of mind, he had no memory of what he had
done before. This dissociative type of coping behavior is documented in the
trauma literature, and would explain why Dale seemed so surprised when we found
a cemetery where he thought an amusement park should be.

Unfortunately, he probably also created all the other web-based "evidence" that
you and others have been sending me, so it doesn't carry much weight as far as
trying to convince me that Dale's story is actually true.

I'm not familiar with an artist named Sarah Wyatt, and art therapy isn't my
specialty. I'll ask one of the art therapy people to look at your link if I
get a chance.

-Michelle


Michelle Kendra, MD
Inpatient & Outpatient Psychiatry
Princeton, NJ Headquarters
Klepsydra Mental Health Facility Network


I was hoping that Wyatt was a patient that she was familiar with, but it doesn't sound like it. Shoud we re-pursue the idea that she's a patient at Klepysydra? I don't think so.
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 		and another;

Quote:

Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 13:09:30 -0800
From: mkendraSPLATklepsydra.net | This is spam | Add to Address Book
To: "Barbara M"
Subject: Re: Fwd: Memory filmclips

Dear Barbara,

The mayor of Aglaura mentioned he had a press conference coming up. Is
that
the press conference you mean? If it is, then no, I won't be
attending, since
I'm not a reporter.

Thank you for forwarding the clip. The mayor e-mailed me and mentioned
that
several people had told him about a video clip that purportedly showed
Dale's
daughter, and asked if I had heard of it or possibly had a copy. I
thought
that it might help Dale if people he works with knew what he was
referring to
if the video clip came up in conversation.

I also only know a little bit about the graffitti in Aglaura--I saw a
brief
mention on the news, and Dale said something about some being on his
house, but
that's it. I don't doubt the possibility of not-too-bright kids
running around
spraypainting things. It's unfortunate, however, that Dale is a victim
of
random stupidity on top of everything else right now.

You also sent a digital photo allegedly of Dale's belongings when he
was
admitted at Greatwater General. Again, you may have his best interest
at
heart, but any sort of digital or web-based "evidence" you may have is
suspect
due to how easily it can be faked, and the fact that Dale makes his
living
making web pages. Further, I understand that near-miracles can be
performed in
Photoshop, so making a digital picture of a ticket that says Ash Grove
Park
isn't that hard to do. Neither is getting one of Dale's many "friends"
to
answer e-mails sent to an account that he set up himself.

You may indeed truly wish to help Dale. If you do, my best advice to
you is to
help convince him that being on medication is the best thing for him at
this
time. He's got to get past this psychosis and get on with his life.

-Michelle Kendra


Michelle Kendra, MD
Inpatient & Outpatient Psychiatry
Princeton, NJ Headquarters
Klepsydra Mental Health Facility Network


Wonder what they will do with the clips at the conference?

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 		If Dale went into a "dissociative state" and made up the original AGP site, does that mean he reverted to that state to create the new site, and reverts into that state to answer the emails addressed to D.P.? Doubt it.
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