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[SPEC] the cause of the communications blackout
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CoffeeJedi
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yeah, the whole Blip thing was a mistake, for some reason i was thinking of a blip as an electronic hiccup, not a radar blip, i meant the blackout the whole time
i've edited the thread title to reflect this

anyway, back on topic
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GunsmithCat wrote:
CoffeeJedi wrote:
ok.... to clarify then

the blip, ahem

the blackout basically, all 3 dramas start in an instant when communication equipment goes all wonky, the AI appears on Jersey's system, Kamal and Hiro lose communication, and a blackout alerts security to Jan's presence

if we conjencture that that was one single moment in time... what caused it?


But those really seem like three seperate events, not like one. Why would Durga cause a power outage?

And there's something odd from the military blackout I don't get:

"If it weren't for the blackout we'd never had seen her"

Doesn't that seem ... contradictory?


Here's my theory:

Jan was using a faked ID transponder to get into the base. Now, with the power up, it worked just fine, as it was cleared for the areas she was in.

However, when the power went out, the 'normal' transponder readers went off-line, and the base went into a low-level lockdown. The backup readers noticed that Jan's ID tag wasn't cleared for the area post-lockdown, and alerted the security teams.
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Cause of blackout

[SPEC] 2 possible causes of the blackout, assuming it wasn't an accident:

1.) Caused by Jan (less likely)
a.) Intentionally - in order to destroy something (information/data?), hide her actions by distracting security, or to gain access to something secured via some powered device
b.) Inadvertently - an overload is triggered while Jan is trying to do something in the base

2.) Caused by someone other than Jan (more likely)
a.) Trying to cause Jan's capture - this entity, likely an AI or someone using an AI, is tracking Jan and is attempting to get her caught, perhaps due to the nature of her actions
b.) Trying to otherwise hamper Jan's actions - Jan is trying to do something in the base which this entity is attempting to prevent: access to a physical area, retrieving data from a secure terminal...something preventable with a power loss
c.) Trying to assist Jan - the entity is trying to help Jan achieve her objective, or escape, and triggers the blackout to that end[/b]

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Although we have no direct evidence, I agree with those who think the blackout at the base was what allowed Durga to escape.

But I think this necessitates a more interesting question. Why would Durga want to escape from a military base, and why would a military base want to keep Durga imprisoned?

Here's my first indulgence in [WILD SPEC]:

Durga is being imprisoned because she is an agent of the enemy and ONI wants to try to figure her out/interrogate her/reverse-engineer her. Like the Pious Flea adapting to look like the SPDR to insinuate itself into Melissa's consciousness (and, as others have pointed out, like all Covenant technology - adapted from other races' pre-existing tech), Durga has become pretty darn good at posing as a human military AI. What did Melissa say when she was trying to build a voice? "A pleasing voice is the single most important component to a UI that will engender trust and confidence in a ship's crew." And what does Jersey say when Durga shows up? That she sounds like a porn ad - i.e. maybe overly pleasing?

Under this wild speculation, Durga sounds so much like Melissa not because she is Melissa, but because she's "undercover" as a human AI and knows their behaviors.

Yeah, I know, it's wierd... but it's all I've got at the moment. Smile

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Durga asks Jersey what she is "on board".

I think she was on a ship before landing on Jersey's computer. Total wild guess though. She might just refer to any being "on board" when it comes to any old box.

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GunsmithCat wrote:
I think she was on a ship before landing on Jersey's computer.


Either she was on a ship, or else she is supposed to be on a ship and now she's with Jersey.

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2 things are being over looked:

1) listen carefully to blip. she's not breaking IN, she's breaking OUT.

2) i think the blackout was caused by jan in order to either get passed some kind of security door or to use as a diversion.

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Blicero wrote:
2 things are being over looked:

1) listen carefully to blip. she's not breaking IN, she's breaking OUT.

2) i think the blackout was caused by jan in order to either get passed some kind of security door or to use as a diversion.


No, because they only saw her because of the blackout. It automatically put them on it alert, which detected Jan.
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The Luggage wrote:

No, because they only saw her because of the blackout. It automatically put them on it alert, which detected Jan.


well that could have been a neccessary consequence of bypassing the security barrier/doors/wtv...

perhaps she couldn't get out at all without it.

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Blicero wrote:
The Luggage wrote:

No, because they only saw her because of the blackout. It automatically put them on it alert, which detected Jan.


well that could have been a neccessary consequence of bypassing the security barrier/doors/wtv...

perhaps she couldn't get out at all without it.


She manages to get through several locked doors when they do find her, including a password protected one. She knows how to get in and out without being detected. She was just unlucky.
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I think there is a "mysterious" event which causes the power to fuxuate at the beginning of each of the three scenes. I agree that it is probably a single event, and that all scenes begin at the exact same time. I do NOT think we have enough information yet to determine what exactly caused the spike/surge/whatever, but I think it is a VERY important part of all this.

I suspect that whatever it was, it may be the same thing that ended up sending Melissa back in time.

Now, if we assume the mystery spike is the same event in each scene, I think we can also assume that all three scenes take place in the same physical area. We can already be sure that Jan and Jersey are in the same location (apartment complex), so I think we can make the leap and put Kamal in the same general area. Does that get us anywhere?

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Has anyone had the thought that she might have wanted to be caught?? I don't know why she would, considering how freaked out her 'dad' was about it, but at one point the guy asks her something like, 'Aren't you too smart to be caught by a dumb sentry?', and the lie-detector tone sounds 'positive', as if to confirm this.

Also, when her dad walks in and she says "Hi Dad," the tone sounds negative, as if that statement was a lie. This, together with Durga's comments on Jan's dad being lint, nothing there (which Durga offers to look into but Jersey passes on) make me think maybe the relationship isn't biological at all, that it's just some kind of cover.

I only listened once though, so maybe I didn't hear it in all its fine detail.

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she tells her 'dad' what she was doing... and i doubt she's lying to HIM.

Quote:
Look, it was nothing, ok? It was some friends of mine, they turtled a razor-back and then they had to return the gate pass, or else Dwayne's dad was going to get spiked for dereliction.


oh wait! i just caught that!!!

Quote:
Officer: Who the hell is Jan?
Frank: Jan James, the local heart-breaker, my son's high-school.
Officer: Dwayne knows this girl?
Frank: Knows her? He's got like a picture under his pillow!


So Frank is the dad who "was going to get spiked for dereliction."

Dwayne stole his dad's gate pass so Jan was trying to return it before anyone noticed it was missing?

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Mtrip wrote:
Has anyone had the thought that she might have wanted to be caught?? I don't know why she would, considering how freaked out her 'dad' was about it, but at one point the guy asks her something like, 'Aren't you too smart to be caught by a dumb sentry?', and the lie-detector tone sounds 'positive', as if to confirm this.


She could have gotten herself caught a LOT easier if she wanted to.

And by now I think we've pretty much established that Jan is some sort of enhanced human, and that James isn't technically her father.

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