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[SPEC] Durga != Melissa (in 10 easy steps!)
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yteRYCCE
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GunsmithCat wrote:
Lutzie wrote:
GunsmithCat wrote:
HBO wrote:

The modern Spartan program (in contrast to its ancient Greek counterpart) was initiated in 2491, an element of the ORION project. Though not much is known about the first generation of warriors (their training, augmentation, goals, etc.), they were successful enough to garner the necessary consent for a second phase, aptly named SPARTAN II.

GSC: AFAIK, HBO is NOT Halo gospel, merely a fan site, or there abouts. The books and Halo itself mention no Spartan I's, aside from the originals back in antiquity.


Well, HBO has yet to lead me astray. Can anyone else confirm/deny where they would have gotten the facts of the above passage?


I remember the first spartan program being mentioned in the book. unfortunately, I'm at work and can't check for sure w/o a copy handy.

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Mtrip
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 		Are these audio tapes Melissa's attempt to contact her crew? That's what she was constantly going on about, with the axon's and all, so how does this story (Durga, etc) tie in with that?

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Mtrip wrote:
Are these audio tapes Melissa's attempt to contact her crew? That's what she was constantly going on about, with the axon's and all, so how does this story (Durga, etc) tie in with that?


exactly, if Durga isn't Mellisa, than why is she even bothering with this data?
(i'm not convinced she is though, but there is a connection between them somehow)
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CoffeeJedi wrote:
Mtrip wrote:
Are these audio tapes Melissa's attempt to contact her crew? That's what she was constantly going on about, with the axon's and all, so how does this story (Durga, etc) tie in with that?


exactly, if Durga isn't Mellisa, than why is she even bothering with this data?
(i'm not convinced she is though, but there is a connection between them somehow)


Even if Melissa IS Durga, we have no explanation for the Kamal story, especially if it occurs at the same time.

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 		Was not the point of the Axions to reach out to the Crew? Could all of the people involved be part of the crew that are living in deep cover and they need to be reassembled as a team?

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Mtrip wrote:
Are these audio tapes Melissa's attempt to contact her crew? That's what she was constantly going on about, with the axon's and all, so how does this story (Durga, etc) tie in with that?

Melissa is not trying to contact her crew (per say).

Quote:
Conjecture:
The voices are in some way related to my accident.
Because of the damage, I am unable to accurately assess the nature of the voices.
By broadcasting the voices to my crew, they will be able to assess the damage.
Once assessed, the damage can be repaired.

She is using the crew to help sort out the 'voices' (WAV files anyone?). The crew is irrelevent. They (we) are tools to an end. Nothing says that these are HER voices only that she is hearing them.

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My broadcast system is functional and expanding.
I will transmit to my crew daily until further instructions are received.


http://ilovebees.com/about.html

She IS trying to contact her crew. It seems she thinks we're her crew.
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 		Has anyone tried to compare the voice of Melissa being played over the payphones, to the voice of Durga in the .wavs? We know that the voice on the phone is Melissa, and AIs in this universe tend to have a pretty unshakeable personality. I would imagine she would keep the same voice from one iteration to the next.

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 		Re: Melissa's voice
Anonymousless wrote:
Has anyone tried to compare the voice of Melissa being played over the payphones, to the voice of Durga in the .wavs? We know that the voice on the phone is Melissa, and AIs in this universe tend to have a pretty unshakeable personality. I would imagine she would keep the same voice from one iteration to the next.

Except that we know for a fact that Melissa had to construct her current voice out of the 21st century equivalent of stone knives and bearskins. I agree that it makes perfect sense that she would prefer to use the same voice, considering the emphasis she puts on it ("A pleasing voice is the single most important component to a UI that will engender trust and confidence in a ship's crew"). However, even if Melissa wanted to keep the same voice, she wasn't necessarily able to do it.
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Lutzie wrote:
GSC: AFAIK, HBO is NOT Halo gospel, merely a fan site, or there abouts. The books and Halo itself mention no Spartan I's, aside from the originals back in antiquity.


I realize this is a little late, but since it just came up in another thread, and I found a reference, I'd thought I'd put it here.

From The Flood, pg. 16

The Flood wrote:
In order to deal with increasing civil turmoil the Colonial Military Administration had secretly launched Project ORION back in 2491. The purpose of the program was to develop supersoldiers, code-named "Spartans," who would recieve special training and physical augmentation.
The initial effort was successful, and in 2517 a new group of Spartans, the II-series, had been selected as the next generation of super-soldiers.


Luke P.

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 		sorry
I added a new topic about Durga and Melissa before I realized that was what you were talking about in this one. It didn't seem to make sense to me that Melissa is Durga-- the mirror idea works better for me.

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GunsmithCat
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 		Re: Melissa's voice
Shad0 wrote:
Anonymousless wrote:
Has anyone tried to compare the voice of Melissa being played over the payphones, to the voice of Durga in the .wavs? We know that the voice on the phone is Melissa, and AIs in this universe tend to have a pretty unshakeable personality. I would imagine she would keep the same voice from one iteration to the next.

Except that we know for a fact that Melissa had to construct her current voice out of the 21st century equivalent of stone knives and bearskins. I agree that it makes perfect sense that she would prefer to use the same voice, considering the emphasis she puts on it ("A pleasing voice is the single most important component to a UI that will engender trust and confidence in a ship's crew"). However, even if Melissa wanted to keep the same voice, she wasn't necessarily able to do it.


True, but if the voices were very similar ...

where was that link to where someone recorded the actual convo with Melissa?

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Shad0
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 		Re: Melissa's voice
GunsmithCat wrote:
Shad0 wrote:
Anonymousless wrote:
Has anyone tried to compare the voice of Melissa being played over the payphones, to the voice of Durga in the .wavs? We know that the voice on the phone is Melissa, and AIs in this universe tend to have a pretty unshakeable personality. I would imagine she would keep the same voice from one iteration to the next.

Except that we know for a fact that Melissa had to construct her current voice out of the 21st century equivalent of stone knives and bearskins. I agree that it makes perfect sense that she would prefer to use the same voice, considering the emphasis she puts on it ("A pleasing voice is the single most important component to a UI that will engender trust and confidence in a ship's crew"). However, even if Melissa wanted to keep the same voice, she wasn't necessarily able to do it.

True, but if the voices were very similar ...

where was that link to where someone recorded the actual convo with Melissa?

Here's one. It sounds to me as if there are two voices, at least one of which -- the higher-pitched voice -- is clearly not Durga.
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 		Think back to Phase 1. Anyone remember the first thing we learned about about Melissa?

"This medium is CLASSIFIED and has a STRONG INTRUSIVE INCLINATION"

That is, the AI being repaired specializes in INTRUSION and is top-secret.

What's the first thing we learn about Durga? She broke into Jersey's system and took over. Her identity is so secret that she cannot even see herself well.
Sound familiar at all?

And then there's the recurrance of particular themes.. "SURVIVE EVADE RESIST ESCAPE". They both say it. They both have access to all kinds of data on everyone; they both seem to specialize in finding and sorting data.

You would have to try REALLY hard to believe that Durga isn't Melissa. I mean, there is so much evidence in favor of it and very little against it.

-Atoner-

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They both have access to all kinds of data on everyone

Actually, I don't think I've ever seen Melissa figure out who someone is. She has a bunch of memories that come back, but can remember anyones name. Dana is out of her grasp, and while she has programs tracking her, she never says that she knows where she is. She plans on finding out everything about Dana, but if she was Durga, she should have instantly known. Durga does sounds alot like Melissa, but I keep drifting away from them being the same AI. A little take-off from what the dog says, "Not me, but another AI that sounds just like me."

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