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magicrock
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 		Legend
According to Family Games, there are a few dedicated ones who have solved everything and are just waiting on puzzle #7. A while back, they had some glitches in their web site, and it was giving credit to some of us for solving passwords that we had not actually completed. But, they got all that corrected...maybe. You can read earlier in this thread that dmb has credit for The Equation, but is not sure what word he submitted. I know of one other who has solved everything except the password for the Equation. They helped me with hints so I am at the same stage. Good luck on your new arrivals today. This is a fine set of puzzles.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:44 am
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dmb
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Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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 		Still trying to open the Temple as the mood takes me - I can imagine a number of ways that the pg might be supported, but I'm not there yet.

Question: is there a link between the pieces inside the Legend and the mechanism that opens the Temple ? I imagine that like the earlier puzzles they can be used but are not necessary ?

PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 4:58 pm
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Adventurik
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 		dmb,
yes, one of the pieces is a clue.
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use circular logic.


PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:28 pm
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dmb
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 		Ha ha ! I thought it might be -
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the hole in the circle seems just right for the peg to fit in. Now what if there was one of those circles inside the Temple under the peg ....


PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:18 am
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dpofs10
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 		Engima
Anyone making any progress?

A couple of ideas:

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If "P"=7 which is the number many have found when assembling the puzzle, than 4(sqrd)=16 6*P(4)=42 = 1642, the year Galileo dies/Newton was born


Or...

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Could P sub 4 mean Base 4 (i.e. base 10, base 2 (binary))?....


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Adventurik
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 		Good thoughts, dpofs. We know that 1642 doesn't work. Your thought on base 4 has been sitting in my brain, but just don't know how to make it work. I haven't seen P=7. In base 4, 7=12, right? Or is it 13?

PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:48 pm
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Robotz
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 		Equation Password
Adventurik wrote:
In base 4, 7=12, right? Or is it 13?


13 base 4 = 7 base 10 since in base 10, 4 1 * 1 + 4 0 * 3 = 7

Similarly, 12 base 4 = 6 base 10

There's an Amazon review of the Equation by a user who sounds like they might have gotten the Equation password. I'm not even sure if you can message people on Amazon, maybe someone knows how to do it?

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SirLoki
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Joined: 07 Aug 2009
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 		Equation
Hey guys - just got caught up with all the posts and figured i would wiegh in on my thoughts on this lovely puzzle

First my thoughts on the actual puzzle

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i don't belive the equation / expression has anything to do with the password - the clue uncovered from getting the password for the Clue says that the "one complete formula" that is shown is Not Necessary to solve the equatiton - also another clue says - "formula uncovered first will only be needed at the very last" this could mean that it will come up in the last puzzle and has nothng to do with the password here. . .then it says fragment not at all - maybe we are wrong about the 5th peice being needed - maybe then the 4^2 6xPsub4 would be completed and make sence.
I personally gthink the best solution is still the -7 one as that is the only one i have done that fits where no peices fall out when you stand it on any end and when started from the right place give you one clear formula




The password i belive lies soley in the clues surrounding the connections between our 3 boys and possibly the folks that got them there - i dont remember for sure but i belivbe it may have been Newton that said he stood on the backs of Giants to achevve his work. also this is connected to the clue -with the telescopic vision "determine the specifics for each to get closer to the tereasure.

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my latest idea is star charts and planetary orbits


PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 2:41 pm
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SirLoki
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 		sorry for my crappy post - but i can only type so much before the site gets buggy on me - Embarassed

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SirLoki
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 		Newton
Newton himself was rather more modest of his own achievements, famously writing in a letter to Robert Hooke in February 1676:

If I have seen further it is by standing on ye shoulders of Giants[36]

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Gawain
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 		Da Vinci's Secret - Meaning of Clues?
I come seeking assistance.

I've been all through this thread and I still can't quite understand the solution to this one. I've managed to get the thing open through a combination of trial-and-error and close examination, but I haven't technically "solved" it, because I still don't see how the clues relate to the solution.

I get that
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"Ancient Roman Architect" = Vitruvius
Missing Figure (from circle/square on end of the device) = Vitruvian Man
"Positions among 16" = 16 permutations of V. Man's limbs


And obviously I know what the final alignment of the pieces looks like, but I can't for the life of me see how the one would lead you to the other.

In a previous post it was suggested that
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the grains in the different-coloured pieces of wood align with different positions of the limbs, but that seems to be a pretty poor indicator. There's still nothing that tells you that all the light pieces go one way, and the dark pieces go another (as opposed to all 5 going in different directions, or any combination thereof). And even if there were, there's nothing then that tells you which direction the respective colours go in. And again, even if there were, that still leaves you with two possible orientations for each piece (the correct way, and 180 degrees off), for a minimum guesswork of 32 combinations. At least as far as I can tell.


Please somebody tell me I'm missing something (and then tell me what it is). I'd hate to think that there is no useful correlation between the clues and the puzzle -- which would make it not a puzzle at all. If that's the case, then I'm not inclined to continue on with the rest of the series.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:37 pm
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SirLoki
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 		If you ask me your take on it is a little different than what i got out of it


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"Ancient Roman Architect" = Vitruvius (this is a clue to the webpassword is what i got from it - ROMAN)
Missing Figure (from circle/square on end of the device) = Vitruvian Man
"Positions among 16" = 16 permutations of V. Man's limbs-( i never came up with this - i took the 16 as another clue to the password - as in 16th century)


My take is that most of the clues are for the goal of unlocking the web clues - you have to seperate the 2

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the rest of the clue you quoted above is " Ancient Roman Architechs proportions are essential for symmatry and positons among 16"

to me the proportions and symmetry parts of that are HUGE clues to the puzzle


If that makes sence . . .lol

PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:11 pm
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Gawain
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 		An interesting interpretation, but I can't quite see it myself.

At the time of starting on the puzzle there was no way to even know of any web password (that information was on the scroll inside), and the clues obtained after opening the puzzle were sufficient for that all on their own. I think any cross-over between the first clue and the web password are coincidental.

Let me break it down again, this time with the full quote as you suggest:
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Ancient Roman Architect's proportions...
Vitruvius was the ancient Roman architect whose work was the basis for Leonardo's famous Canon of Proportions and Vitruvian Man, the outline of which is inscribed on the end of the puzzle. This is more than just a casual reference, this must be the key, or at least extremely relevant.

...are essential for symmetry and positions among 16.
Again, context to me says that it is referring to the 16 positions of the drawing, and that we need to determine which one(s) to use. I think you're right, "symmetry" is a big clue -- but there are still four symmetrical positions out of the possible 16 (both arms straight out or both arms angled + both legs straight down or both legs angled).

I can almost see my way clear to agreeing this information tells us that the blocks must either be straight across/down or on an angle (as viewed from the perspective of the diagram). Granted, the 45-degree angle required by the solution certainly isn't suggested by the positions of the limbs in the diagram, but again, we're looking for symmetry so let's just roll with it.


So while I am grateful for your input, I am still left with the same nagging questions:
What tells us which particular blocks go in which direction?
Even if a block is in the correct geometric orientation, how could we know it isn't off by 90 or 180 degrees?

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Shirley Films
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 		DaVinci
I hate to say it, but I don't think there is a "sensical" way of solving DaVinci. I solved it by fiddling. And I, too, felt a little less than satisfied. But. After spending many months with these puzzles, I really don't think there is anymore to it.

As a general rule (with this series), the clues GUIDE you to the answer... but they never really spell it out for you. This is EXTREMELY evident with some of the later passwords.

These puzzles are fun (and challenging), but they are not the kind of things where an answer "clicks" everything into place.

Does that make any sense? Others can feel free to disagree.

In a way, this makes them fun (looking back, I enjoyed entering tons of passwords on the website, trying to get the right one) and much different than other puzzle/riddles out there (ISIS)... but in another way... it makes them feel ...cheap.

I still do not know (for sure) if i solved Atlantis correctly. Smile

If anyone solves the Equation password... feel free to PM me with the answer, if you are willing. I have given up on trying to solve this one.... it has melted my brain. Now I just want to know what the hell they were thinking.

Still looking forward to the final chapter...

PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:43 pm
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Gawain
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 		Hmmm, I see.

That's disappointing... from the descriptions I thought this series would be something really cool and different. I was really looking forward to matching my wits against these puzzles, and the satisfaction of that "a-HA!" moment when all the clues fall into place.

But it sounds like in the end they are just like any of the many other "brain teaser" puzzles out there where success is just a matter of not getting too bored or frustrated before you finally stumble across the solution.

They're well-constructed (at least the first one is, I assume the rest also), but all the mysterious clues and historical trappings just seem like window dressing now. You could leave it out and it doesn't seem like it would make very much difference.

Maybe I'll buy the next one and see how it goes, but I'm not so sure now. But thanks very much for the responses!

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