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[SPEC] Wav timeline summary of missing files
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Preston the Cyberdog
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[SPEC] Wav timeline summary of missing files

Ok I've assembled a load of spec from different threads and added compiled them into one new topic for easy reference.

In addition I have marked the speed ups and slow downs.
I'll use [[ for long [ for short.

[[
Melissa arrives - Whole system collapses. Power outage.
Dizzy -> Escape -> Jersey -> Reflected -> Durga
]

Only a short slowdown - no end of act so more chapters to come here...

[[
Melissa arrives causes massive power interrupt and ups security level causing Jan to be detected when she otherwise would pass...
Blip -> Pillow -> Walkaway girl ->

No chapter end so probably Jans capture still to come

[
PQI -> Yes or No -> Stupid Cop -> Hey Dad -> Nervous
]

[
Law Abiding -> You Knew
]]

Long slow down here end of chapter so maybe unconnected with the police station fire! Essentially Mellissa moves each time there's a long slowdown

[
Emergency
]]

Long slow down again here so another end of act

[[
Melissa arrives causing power interrupt and loss of communications to Hiro (OT Spec - Hiro or Kamal is voiced by Joe Staten of Bungie)
Parasites -> Eyes
]

[
Beer -> Four goats
]

[
Our Houdlams -> Probably missing middle of their conversation -> Much lifting
]

[
Meditape -> You could
No end here. So were missing the end of their conversation outside

[
Guilty
]

No start up here. So were missing the beginning of their conversation at Kamal's flat
Say something
]

[
Message saved
]

[
Tuna -> Hi Aiden
]]

Long slow down, Melissa moves

Please feel free to point out mistakes.

[SPEC] Also note that Melissa is asking us on the site to point out the damaged areas so maybe we need to communicate the missing parts to her somehow.

PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 6:48 pm
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msekolpsu
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Good post, I like the organization and the comments. It really organized things! Good job!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 6:54 pm
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pjv2
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by my count your speculating that we are missing at least 5 audio clips.

PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 7:06 pm
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Wandering_Angela
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Great way of organizing things, Preston, though I don't agree with all of your ordering or assumptions.

Personally, I believe that there are no missing pieces. I think that we have three full stories.

Here's how I'd organize them:

Story 1

[[
Durga's arrival wreaks havoc in Jersey's computer (I'm not sure Durga=Melissa, though it's possible). Durga and Jersey talk, he asks her to find out about Jan.
Dizzy -> Escape -> Jersey -> Reflected -> Durga
]

[
Durga ghosts Jan, finds her in the car with her dad after her arrest
Law Abiding -> You Knew
]]

Story 2

[[
Blackout raises security level causing Jan to be detected when she otherwise would pass...
Blip -> Pillow -> Walkaway girl -> Hey Soldier
]

[
PQI -> Stupid Cop -> Yes or No -> Hey Dad -> Nervous
]

[
Emergency
]]

Long slow down again here so another end of act. Moving Law Abiding and You Knew to the above thread means that it's no longer problematic for Emergency to have a long ending. It's the end of this thread.

Story 3

[[
Hiro talks to Kamal on his date
Parasites -> Eyes
]

[
Beer -> Four goats
]

[
Our Hoodlums -> Much lifting
If there is a missing piece, it's between these two. The flow here's not great, but it's ok.
]

[
Meditape -> You could -> Say Something
Say something is the end of this conversation. Sophia asks if Kamal could ghost her, and he shows her that he can.
]

[
Guilty
]

[
Message saved
]

[
Tuna -> Hi Aiden
]]

I've described my reasoning on another thread, starting with [url=http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=62829#62829]
this post[/url].

(edited to fix tag)

PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 7:32 pm
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Ekim
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Wandering_Angela wrote:
Personally, I believe that there are no missing pieces. I think that we have three full stories.

Here's how I'd organize them:

Story 1

[[
Durga's arrival wreaks havoc in Jersey's computer (I'm not sure Durga=Melissa, though it's possible). Durga and Jersey talk, he asks her to find out about Jan.
Dizzy -> Escape -> Jersey -> Reflected -> Durga
]

[
Durga ghosts Jan, finds her in the car with her dad after her arrest
Law Abiding -> You Knew
]]


The idea that Durga ghosts Jan is interesting, but from what we've heard from Kamal ghosting Sophia, you don't hear anything else but the person you're ghosting. Kamal's voice wasn't echoed through his speakers when he was talking right next to Sophia. In the "ride home" scene, you can hear Jan, J^2, and background noise as well. It could be that Durga has a more advanced method of ghosting, but I doubt she's ghosting for Jersey. You make a good point in that the pieces would fit together nicely, but I'm still convinced there are some wavs still out there somewhere.

Also, if you applied the theory that Durga(Melissa?) caused the power outtage in both Jan/Jersey scenes at the same time, Jan wouldn't have been in the car with her dad at the time Jersey asks Durga for pictures of her. There had to be some passing time between the point where Jan got caught, and when J^2 picks her up from the station. Jersey's conversation with Durga didn't last that long before she claimed to get him something better than pictures.

And Preston, I think you're missing a couple wavs that have already been unlocked. hey_soldier ends the blip/pillow/walkaway_girl scene.

(edited after some more thought)

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Wandering_Angela
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Ekim wrote:

The idea that Durga ghosts Jan is interesting, but from what we've heard from Kamal ghosting Sophia, you don't hear anything else but the person you're ghosting. Kamal's voice wasn't echoed through his speakers when he was talking right next to Sophia. In the "ride home" scene, you can hear Jan, J^2, and background noise as well. It could be that Durga has a more advanced method of ghosting, but I doubt she's ghosting for Jersey. You make a good point in that the pieces would fit together nicely, but I'm still convinced there are some wavs still out there somewhere.


Well, maybe "ghosting" is the wrong term for what Durga's doing. Durga's already shown that she's a powerful AI (completely taking over Jersey's computer, taking out Navy Sentinels, seeing through James' fake persona). I'm sure she could spy on Jan with full audio, and probably video too (which we just wouldn't know about). Maybe she taps into the car - it must be connected to some kind of network, as Jan says that the road is driving for them.


Ekim wrote:
Also, if you applied the theory that Durga(Melissa?) caused the power outtage in both Jan/Jersey scenes at the same time, Jan wouldn't have been in the car with her dad at the time Jersey asks Durga for pictures of her. There had to be some passing time between the point where Jan got caught, and when J^2 picks her up from the station. Jersey's conversation with Durga didn't last that long before she claimed to get him something better than pictures.


This is a very good point, and something I've been thinking about. I don't think there's actually any evidence that the power surges/ computer blinks in the three timelines are all caused by the same event. If you look at it, you'll see that the, let's call it an "anomaly", happens at the very beginning of each thread. In fact, it happens off-screen, before the action of each thread starts. I think each anomoly is caused when Melissa (or Durga, who may or may not be the same) shows up on the scene. Her puting herself into the system causes the anomaly, and then she can hear what's going on, which is how we get the stories.

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I think your timeline is right, but I really feel that the wavs law_abiding and you_knew should go after emergency. She talks about beating the quiz in the car, I think this is when they are leaving after causing the fire. Also, I think (and I may be reaching here) that Durga looking for Jan may have caused the blackout to find her on the base sensors (the guard did say if not for the power loss, they would not have found her) as if taking all the resources she could to locate her. This could also be the reason for the dead connection between the dater and his friend.

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Ekim
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True, Durga is able to do some impressive things. Full audio probably wouldn't be out of her league.

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I don't think there's actually any evidence that the power surges/ computer blinks in the three timelines are all caused by the same event.


I've been thinking about that, as well. It makes sense that the "anomaly" could occur when Melissa enters a new area and what we hear is her first record of the new place. It's all still spec right now, so it's good to keep possibilities open.

I still don't feel emergency goes with any of the current threads though. It seems most likely to be part of Jan's story, but doesn't really fit in well after the PQI scene. I'm trying not to limit the whole stories to these 30 wavs just yet. Not until all of the axons are hot. Hopefully something will come of completing a block of seven axons, as well. Let's keep our heads together until then.

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Wandering_Angela
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Well, I'm definitely hoping for more messages, too. That 777 status bar has to mean something, right? Smile

Actually, I was a fan of the theory that all the anomalies had the same cause until my other theory (that Durga gave Jersey the car conversation) made that impossible. Always hard when you have to pick one theory over another, and both seem to have merit.

No way of knowing right now what's right, but I just feel that they're giving things to us in chunks, and anything new we get will start some new chunks.

Personally, I hope we get something that connects Kamal and Sophia and that group to Jan. My instinct is that Jan's the key character because she's so unusual, but of course that's just wild spec at this point.

Oh, and Blaze - I still think that Law Abiding and You Knew come after Jan's interrogation, temporally at least. The context is just too clear on that. I just think they belong in a different thread - that when Jersey asks Durga to spy on Jan she happens to be in the car with her dad on the way home from the police station.

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hmmm could be, but then is it possible that Jan breaking into the base is the first story up untill after the emergeny wav, than insert the Durga files, followed by the car and dating stories? But then that would leave the power outage unexplained... That would shift the main character of the story from Durga to Jan.

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[SPEC] I'm wondering if there's even going to be 777 different axons. Maybe 777 just means "perfect" or "jackpot" like on a slot machine. Therefore when we activate all of the axons (the ones that work anyway) we get 777.

Although the progress bar right next to the 777 doesn't flow with that theory...

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