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[SPEC] is Jersey "watching" Jan?
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GunsmithCat
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OK, after re-listening to the very beginning of each of the three, I can see it. Each does seem to start right after a reboot of some kind.

The event itself seems out of our reach though, each person just moves on from it.

And yeah, I would say this doesn't contradict the notion that Jan's story comes after Jersey's - Durga can just be replaying what happened a few moments ago.

What I don't get is why Melissa would have 3 concurrent stories from Earth stored in her head.

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GunsmithCat wrote:
OK, after re-listening to the very beginning of each of the three, I can see it. Each does seem to start right after a reboot of some kind.

The event itself seems out of our reach though, each person just moves on from it.

And yeah, I would say this doesn't contradict the notion that Jan's story comes after Jersey's - Durga can just be replaying what happened a few moments ago.

What I don't get is why Melissa would have 3 concurrent stories from Earth stored in her head.

I dont think Durga is replaying the "date" storyline. I think we were just given that.

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Don't forget that Melissa is hearing voices... these may be someone elses memories!

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I suggested this theory yesterday in the axon .wav files thread, and I still think it's quite possible - with one exception. It sounds like Jan and her father are in the car when their story ends. Now, assuming that Jan's fater is SSF, like they say, then wouldn't he be smart enough to make sure that there's nothing in his car that can monitor him, or at least have some way to turn them off for the duration of the conversation? Because, it dosn't sound like he'd want someone listening in when he's explaining to his daughter that if she gets in trouble, other people might die, and so on and so forth, because it sounds like he dosn't want anyone to KNOW about what ever it is that will get the other people in trouble if Jan gets in trouble. So, it's either he got careless (which I doubt someone from the -special- special forces would do) or, it's just a memory of Jan's, and there's really no relation to the Jersey story, excepts that at the end, Jersey asks about Jan.
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asute_falcon wrote:
I suggested this theory yesterday in the axon .wav files thread, and I still think it's quite possible - with one exception. It sounds like Jan and her father are in the car when their story ends. Now, assuming that Jan's fater is SSF, like they say, then wouldn't he be smart enough to make sure that there's nothing in his car that can monitor him, or at least have some way to turn them off for the duration of the conversation? Because, it dosn't sound like he'd want someone listening in when he's explaining to his daughter that if she gets in trouble, other people might die, and so on and so forth, because it sounds like he dosn't want anyone to KNOW about what ever it is that will get the other people in trouble if Jan gets in trouble. So, it's either he got careless (which I doubt someone from the -special- special forces would do) or, it's just a memory of Jan's, and there's really no relation to the Jersey story, excepts that at the end, Jersey asks about Jan.

It's just a game. Suspend your disbelief.

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meetingpeopleiseasy wrote:
It's just a game. Suspend your disbelief.


If you have to tell yourself to suspend your disbelief, then the authors have done something wrong.

I agree with the spec that eavesdropping on the car ride conversation is difficult to swallow. It just doesn't feel right. I like the idea of the Jan / James storyline fitting in with Jersey / Durga, but the perspective doesn't seem right. The Jan / James story doesn't seem to be from any particular perspective, which is something you would expect if you were seeing a story told through the eyes of another character rather than just blanket narrative.
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meetingpeopleiseasy wrote:
GunsmithCat wrote:
OK, after re-listening to the very beginning of each of the three, I can see it. Each does seem to start right after a reboot of some kind.

The event itself seems out of our reach though, each person just moves on from it.

And yeah, I would say this doesn't contradict the notion that Jan's story comes after Jersey's - Durga can just be replaying what happened a few moments ago.

What I don't get is why Melissa would have 3 concurrent stories from Earth stored in her head.

I dont think Durga is replaying the "date" storyline. I think we were just given that.


Not Durga, Melissa.

Somehow Melissa has access to all of this, otherwise she couldn't be transmitting it.



And I think Kamal's storyline makes the car convo plausible. Seems in the future anyone can listen in on you if they hack right. I mean Kamal hacked Sophia's voice while she was just standing next to him. No special prep, just a computer.

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GunsmithCat wrote:
There is a wind down at the end of Jersey's interaction with Durga, and a wind up at the start of Jan's story.


Doesn't prove anything. There was a wind-up at the beginning of Jersey's story too.

[quote=astute_falcon]Now, assuming that Jan's fater is SSF, like they say, then wouldn't he be smart enough to make sure that there's nothing in his car that can monitor him, or at least have some way to turn them off for the duration of the conversation? [/quote]

Which leads into my theory...Melissa was hiding in the back seat of the car under a blanket. Laughing
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durga is melissa..

How else would Melissa have access to Durga's files. Plus how can we explain the time difference from now until the future? Has anyone thought of this or am I just over analysing.

On another note I think tht it imight be possible that J^2 might be being ghosted by durga, she obviously has the means to find out his background anytime she wants.

Just thoughts, sorry if they're lame or already disproved.
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Touching on how the conversation could've been recorded in the car, even though J-squared should've been more careful since he's SSF ...

Jan's father was understandably upset/shook at this near-miss situation at the station, and ostensibly planning to burn it down in the near future (re: emergency.wav).

Jan also makes a comment that he's letting the vehicle auto-drive the roads, so perhaps there's something about that function that allows transmitting of data from the vehicle that extends beyond steering and braking. Smile

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I don't think it's as easy as "not being bugged" anymore. Kalam can "bug" anyone, without having to touch them or be near them, he just has to "ghost" them and start recording. There might be some limitations but location and distance don't seem to rule anything out.

Durga can tap into a military base, a police station ... and not really limited to recording devices as much as simply a location ... a car surely seems just as plausible.

JJ probably is taking procedures. He probably has the strongest encryption he could get. He probably just didn't think a high school geek with a crush on his "daughter" was going to have a highly sophisticated smart AI who loves espionage fall in his lap.

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I like the Auto-Drive idea.

For it to work, really, the car would have to be tapped into a highway transportation network, GPS, etc. to keep up to date with traffic conditions, emergency response and be able to plan accordingly.

Not to mention "hands free" microphones for placing a call while on the road, or issuing navigation commands.

And again, there is encryption in place to keep all of this secure, but Durga has shown that there has yet to be an encryption to stop her. (Jersey's security bot may have been able to stop two sentinels, but not her).

Every other instance, including beer.wav and four_goats.wav (those too geeks probably keep their machines running 24x7 for uptime also), took place in the presence of a lot of technology capable of picking up the conversations.

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From what I can tell EVERYTHING is wired in this world. If you look at the transcripts from when Melissa was being rebuilt she was shocked that she couldn't get into the house controls.

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Checking the wiring. There's a lot of ways to skin a - - can't even get to her stupid HOUSE through the stupid BOX: no central thermo controls, no slaved AI, nothing. Christ! No access to /// wiring. No access to vehicle controls. No access to medbots or pharm regimes. Damn it.


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