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[META/Discussion] What the PMs do wrong
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PaperbckWriter9
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AUZ505 wrote:
Sorry, maybe I missed it, but when and where did the PM attack uF again after the "secret forum incident"?

I've reread my post in reference to your question and I did not write "uF was attacked after the "other" forum situation ended", so I'm not sure why you would put it that way, but I think I know what you mean so please allow me to explain myself:
After the original snafu, the PM still blatantly tried to make uF & its members IG (that's what I meant by "mess" in my above post).

As of page 15 of the thread (mind you, the posting of 3 real names occurred on 8-07 & my post to disza about giving her the link to the "other forum" even though I thought the drama was over & wouldn't be needed(pg15) was on 08-13) , I thought that the PM would play nice, but instead it went down like this: (I've made snipits of exact posts)



Page 18: JJ posted this to /x/ at 4chan on 8-15-09:
deathbycamera wrote:

<snip>DO NOT TRUST UNFORUM PEOPLE?THEY ARE FROM KHOZAINS. </snip>
<snip>HE IS INFILTRATOR. MANY AT UNFORUM ARE SUCH.</snip>

This post also states that
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<snip>NIGHTHAWK THREATENED SISTER DIYNE IN SECRET FORUM</snip>

??Why say this?? I thought the drama was over because Diyne already said her peace at the "other forum" and was no longer posting there...

Page 35: Dissentience (who is a uF member; he's new, but still - so am I) had his real name publicly revealed on FB & /x/ along with these quotes from Junsui:
Posted at FB:
dissentience wrote:

The Junsui JEFF ****** (aka Dissentience) is currently infiltrating Sister's video tap and giving info to KHOZAINS. ADVISE HIM TO CEASE PURE ONES!
aka we're the Khozains...
&
Pg36 quote from JJ posted at 5/8:
Fragarach wrote:
(FOLLOWERS OF MOOT, PLEASE SEND JEFFERY YOUR REGARDS THROUGH EMAIL. YOU'VE BEEN PROVIDED WITH HIS INFORMATION.)...

Now I don't personally know diss, but that could have very well been me & my name as far as I'm concerned & whatever brought it on, that just shouldn't have happened.

Pg49: JJ posted at 5/8:
disbanded wrote:

DISSONANCE IN MY PRESENCE. CALM YOURSELVES! This is much bigger than an individual as Patrick Marckesano or Jeff ****. These are beings who dwell in world of own will and decisions. We need your help towards the menace of DEFILERS who oppress and kill for pleasure! They are not visible to you but reach very much into your materials world. This has nothing to do with FASHION, an industry of adorning for like sexual beauty! Were not our effort only to pay for our bandwdth we take donations. THIS IS ABOUT SOMETHING MUCH BIGGER. DO NOT LET THE KHOZAIN DISTRACT WITH THEIR PETTY LIES AND PYSCHOLOGICAL WARFARE! THEY KNOW WE ARE PROBING AT THEIR WEAKNESSES RIGHT NOW. THEY CAN PAY OFF A FEW INDIVIDUALS, CHASE OTHERS INTO HIDING BUT CANNOT DOMINATE THE PURE HUMAN SPIRIT! THEY STEAL FROM TOMORROWS CHILDREN SMASH THE OLIGARCHS!

I took this to mean that not only are we (uF collectively, if I may) Khozians now, but defilers? Why? What have we done wrong? I wanted to participate in this and have fun, but it seems the PM only wants me to participate how they see fit; making me a "bad guy" when I didn't want to play one.
Plus, from what I have read from many regular members here that they have been blocked from JJ's FB. Does anyone know why?
This is all I have right now. I had to reread through the thread & I'm only at page 60 (that's where I end). My brain hurts now & I need a break, but do you kinda understand where I coming from? Embarassed I apologize for how long this post is.
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Sorry, but I have another opinion/feeling about this.
After the "Do not trust the UNFORUM people" UF was never again accused as the whole community.

The other attacks were mainly against Diss or Jeff . I am still not sure if Diss is the same person or if his accounts had been hacked (which I doubt).
And this Jeff did not play nicely in my opinion. So if they attack him this does definitely not mean for me they attack us.
Don't get me wrong. I do not like how they acted in many ways but I also do not like the way Jeff acted. So for me this is a "private" war not related to uF.
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Did you know that I was attacked for no reason? Just for posting about the game in a community I was a part of a long time before this game came around?

How did I act that was so bad? These idiots came to a place where I felt comfortable posting freely and decided that they didn't like what I was posting, so they in turn posted personal information about me all over Facebook and 4chan.

In that situation how is one supposed to react? There was (and still is) a fake MySpace made under my name trying to make me IG. I received harassing e-mails and people signed up to 5/8 with my real name, trying to troll and harass me.

You expect me not to be pissed off? Be realistic.

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dissentience wrote:
Did you know that I was attacked for no reason? Just for posting about the game in a community I was a part of a long time before this game came around?

How did I act that was so bad? These idiots came to a place where I felt comfortable posting freely and decided that they didn't like what I was posting, so they in turn posted personal information about me all over Facebook and 4chan.

In that situation how is one supposed to react? There was (and still is) a fake MySpace made under my name trying to make me IG. I received harassing e-mails and people signed up to 5/8 with my real name, trying to troll and harass me.

You expect me not to be pissed off? Be realistic.


No one started seriously harassing you until you flipped your shit over your "REAL NAME OH MY GOD" being posted on the internet. Seriously -- no one gave a shit about you until you freaked out and started screaming at people to censor your name and talking about how horrible this PM is and how badly he's persecuted you and oh you poor baby. This made you an obvious target, as you marked yourself as a blatant drama queen. Sorry, I'm just telling you how it is.

And, you have a facebook. If your facebook was public, that means all of your information is in the public domain - I realize that yours is indeed private. HOWEVER. You friended a public facebook account (junko) and proceeded to POST ON THEIR PAGE. I personally saw your full name (the horror) posting comments on the page, before, during, and after your hissyfit on here and 5/8. They were eventually deleted by either you or JJ, but it was there. You, personally, and deliberately posted your full name on a site in the public domain. Any of the other information - email, forums you visit, etc - were probably found through a single google search on your username. Your email was publicly available on your 5/8 profile, even, I believe. You don't have a leg to stand on, Jeff.

Stop whining about it already. Jesus christ.

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Some idiot wrote:
dissentience wrote:
Did you know that I was attacked for no reason? Just for posting about the game in a community I was a part of a long time before this game came around?

How did I act that was so bad? These idiots came to a place where I felt comfortable posting freely and decided that they didn't like what I was posting, so they in turn posted personal information about me all over Facebook and 4chan.

In that situation how is one supposed to react? There was (and still is) a fake MySpace made under my name trying to make me IG. I received harassing e-mails and people signed up to 5/8 with my real name, trying to troll and harass me.

You expect me not to be pissed off? Be realistic.


No one started seriously harassing you until you flipped your shit over your "REAL NAME OH MY GOD" being posted on the internet. Seriously -- no one gave a shit about you until you freaked out and started screaming at people to censor your name and talking about how horrible this PM is and how badly he's persecuted you and oh you poor baby. This made you an obvious target, as you marked yourself as a blatant drama queen. Sorry, I'm just telling you how it is.

And, you have a facebook. If your facebook was public, that means all of your information is in the public domain - I realize that yours is indeed private. HOWEVER. You friended a public facebook account (junko) and proceeded to POST ON THEIR PAGE. I personally saw your full name (the horror) posting comments on the page, before, during, and after your hissyfit on here and 5/8. They were eventually deleted by either you or JJ, but it was there. You, personally, and deliberately posted your full name on a site in the public domain. Any of the other information - email, forums you visit, etc - were probably found through a single google search on your username. Your email was publicly available on your 5/8 profile, even, I believe. You don't have a leg to stand on, Jeff.

Stop whining about it already. Jesus christ.


I have stopped whining about it, if you'd learn to read. I was simply addressing what the previous poster said.

I love how you post under my real name. Too chicken to reveal your real handle, I guess.

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He orchestrated an attack on both one of my servers and 5/8. In the 24 hour period after the post mentioning my server was made, there were over 300 attempts to log in on SSH from around 50 different IP addresses. Normally I'll get one bruteforcer who tries about 20 logins a day. I've since started blocking requests permanently after 3 failures. There were also three separate denial of service attacks on my server farm during this period.

In working with the owner of 5/8, I discovered that the number of failed logins in the 24 hour period after the post asking that the 5/8 thread be dealt with went from around 50 a day to over 3767 in a 24 hour period. This doesn't even start to talk about the DDoS attempts. 5/8 has instituted the same login policy that I have.

Say whatever you want, but the fact remains that both of our auth.log files correlated with the evidence at hand (his posts) is enough to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he was organizing cybercrime and potentially land him two felony counts of computer misuse.

Edit: If you're wondering why I was so specific about 3767, that is because that was at the time that we last checked the number of brute force attempts in that time period. It is probably over 4000 now.

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dissentience wrote:
You expect me not to be pissed off? Be realistic.


gawd, make up your mind. you are angry, you forgive them, you are angry, you forgive them... i can't keep track anymore.
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Pixiestix wrote:
dissentience wrote:
You expect me not to be pissed off? Be realistic.


gawd, make up your mind. you are angry, you forgive them, you are angry, you forgive them... i can't keep track anymore.


Pretty sure I was referring to when this first happened.

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 Just a thought.

Sorry if I'm posting this in the wrong area but I really need to ask a question about all of this.

I think I have looked over all the posts about this and I keep seeing "90 pages and still nothing" maybe that's because its not a game?

Honestly it seems like a group of activists with how "they" talk in their messages, doing things to draw attention (trying to attack people, trying to hack sites, getting 4chan in on this) and I still haven't heard anybody question what is really going on here.

If this is marketing, they are doing it all wrong, same if its suppost to be a game.

If I'm a idiot, sorry. I just don't see how people say its a game.. I still haven't seen ANYONE post anything from whoever is behind this saying it is indeed a game, but I have seen things from facebook saying it is NOT a game.

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Pretty sure that it's clear at this point that the PM could be slammed for a variety of federal offenses. If you're so pissed off, Diss, why don't you go to the FBI about it?

Not that I advocate this, I'm just saying: put your money where your mouth is.

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Anonymous Clown Said:

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maybe that's because its not a game?


Good Question.

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Frown-chan wrote:
Pretty sure that it's clear at this point that the PM could be slammed for a variety of federal offenses. If you're so pissed off, Diss, why don't you go to the FBI about it?

Not that I advocate this, I'm just saying: put your money where your mouth is.


From what I understand, somebody already has. Also, I've made it clear that I'm not pissed off anymore. I'm just around because I want to see what sort of further failure this becomes. I'm not going to insult the PM or talk about how he 'wronged' me anymore. I'm done with that. Everyone knows what happened. The only reason I mentioned it in this thread is because I was asked about it.

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dissentience wrote:
Frown-chan wrote:
Pretty sure that it's clear at this point that the PM could be slammed for a variety of federal offenses. If you're so pissed off, Diss, why don't you go to the FBI about it?

Not that I advocate this, I'm just saying: put your money where your mouth is.


From what I understand, somebody already has. Also, I've made it clear that I'm not pissed off anymore. I'm just around because I want to see what sort of further failure this becomes. I'm not going to insult the PM or talk about how he 'wronged' me anymore. I'm done with that. Everyone knows what happened. The only reason I mentioned it in this thread is because I was asked about it.


So you say, but honestly, from the things you say and your reactions to other people, you really do seem like you're still angry. As someone who's been observing this for quite a while, I do agree that the PM is quite stupid for behaving in this fashion, and question whether there's really a "PM" at all or if it's just a group of activists trying to garner attention.

To be honest, the story just seems like it was a basic idea that was never fleshed out very well, and the only elements used were "rule of cool" stylistic flash video type stuff that weren't really very clever at all, except for the [EDIT] coordinate puzzles in the beginning.[/EDIT]

Where I'm going with this is: I think everyone should just stop paying so much attention to this ARG (that is, if it is an ARG in the first place), because it's just one big, complex troll.

Still, based on the puzzles earlier on, I wonder if maybe it was originally an ARG that got hijacked when 4chan got involved?

Questions, questions.

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I'm just waiting to see how these chat plans they have will go. I have visions of them trying to sell us timeshares...
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AUZ505 wrote:
Sorry, but I have another opinion/feeling about this.
After the "Do not trust the UNFORUM people" UF was never again accused as the whole community.

No need to be sorry. These are our opinions & I think we shouldn't feel sorry for expressing them (as long as they're not said in a sucky way). Btw, I appreciate you starting this thread so we could discuss this here.

On page 85:
Yurai wrote:
From facebook: The Junsui OUR ENEMIES SAY WE MUST BE SELLING A PRODUCT. IN THEIR SMALL VISION THEY CANNOT IMAGINE THAT WE SIMPLY LABOURING FOR BIRTH OF NEW IDEA...

which I believe is in reference to quotes like this one posted here at uF:

On page 84:
Lyssavirus wrote:
As far as this game sucking or whatever, I'm betting it's some product's marketing budget, which would also account for fuck-ups. They haven't done this before, but still managed to make an intricate and intriguing whole. I want to see the story through, and even if things are too dicked up to go on,I still want to know what the hell it's advertising...

This is only one of many posts I've seen (I'm sorry I'm too lazy to hunt down others) where a player has stated what they believe this "game" is for.
For me, it didn't take long to put 2+2 together= the PMs are still reading here at uF (which is fine), but posts that were made here are still being used IG against us (which I don't think is fine). The PM made me feel that I should still be cautious of what I post here. In my eyes, this continues the whole uF=enemy.

Pg 87:
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"WHO WILL SET UP THE CHAT THEN? IT NEEDS TO HAVE AN ADMIN OPTION SO WE CAN EJECT ALL WHO DO NOT COMPLY AND HAVE SOME STRICTNESS OF REGISTRATION WHERE WE ARE SURE BEINGS ARE WHO THEY SAY. (WE MUST NOT HAVE OTHER ILSA).WE CAN SET UP REPORTS BACK ON ON ALL MAJOR FORUMS AND MAKE NEW STRATEGIES. WE NEED TO BE MORE ORGANIZED?...
...SEND ME REQUEST MENTION IF YOU ARE MEMBER OF ANY FORUMS. WE MUST ESTABLISH GOOD INTELLIGENCE IN ALL MAJOR FORUM TO HAVE ADVANTAGE OVER ENEMIES. THE SISTERHOOD WILL NOT BE DEFILED ANYMORE BY WEAKER OPPONENTS." -the junsui

Even though it isn't said outright, I would consider uF a "major forum".

Pg 90:
mamimi wrote:
The Junsui WE MUST DELAY NOW AS WE WILL NOT HAVE ACCESS TO TERMINAL. SUPERVISORS OF OUR SALON COMPONENT ARE CHANGING RULES. WE MUST NOW TRY AGAIN AT 22.08.09 11:00 UTC + 6. WE ARE SORRY BUT CAN NOT BE REMEDIED. AGAIN PLEASE SUBMIT WITH REQUEST WHICH FORUMS YOU ...MAY MONITOR. THOSE RECOGNIZED AS REPORTING THIS INFO (ANYWHERE) WILL NOT BE ADMITTED.

Again, uF isn't mentioned outright, but I get the picture; posting here at uF=no chance to participate in the game. To me, this isn't a private attack on one or two people, but our forum as a whole.

Idk that's the way I see it, but then again this reminds me of that song: "You may be wrong for all I know, but you may be right..." doobie doobie do! Laughing
Seriously though, we have a difference in opinion & that's ok; I still respect your opinion. Smile
If anything, I have learned some valuable lessons.

On a side note: It's funny (in a sad way) to admit this, but I once actually wasted an hour & a half of my time sitting through a timeshare promotion to receive a $60 gift certificate to Hollywood Blvd movie theater & then I saw Sin City & got drunk there for free. Embarassed
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