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[SPEC] Who is Jan?/Col. Ackerson/sIII
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Heresiarch
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Jan as Spartan III definitely sounds like the best theory to me. If for nothing else, because her name is "Janissary." Seriously. Who the hell would name a kid after an elite unit of Ottoman slave soldiers? Ackerson would, from what I've heard.

If Jan and J^2 were on the run from SIII and Ackerson, (a) they wouldn't be living on a military base (b) no-one would know that J^2 is/was SSF and (c) they would have changed her somewhat peculiar name. Whereas if they were being hidden by a faction of the military, then an obscure military base would be perfect. Easy to keep tabs on, but out of the way. That also explains the fake histories, if Ackerson was ordered to close down SIII but didn't.

Also: I read the "we" in "there are certain things we can't do" as referring to "people with fake identities," not "Genetically-enhanced freaks."

[META] Why are we being introduced to Jan? Maybe we play her in Halo II, with Durga as her AI, when the Covenant invades Earth.
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Option "C" I like the best, personally. Not that it seems like the most likely solution, just that if it is the case, I find it the most entertaining or intriguing. I think it allows for many possibilities. Maybe the clone of John-117 that was delivered back to his parents in place of the original John discovered later in his life what happened to him, was angered by it, thought it wrong, and therefore made it his mission to prevent such things from happening again. Thus he discovers the S-III program and assists (or starts) a group that rescues the involuntary participants, with each rescuer adopting one "super child" and trying to give them the most normal life possible. If J^2 is John-117's clone and has adopted Jan, that would explain the speculation that he is the Master Chief (the explanation being that he's not the MC, but his clone, which is why J^2 sounds similar - sorta in the way that twins sound similar, but not exactly the same). As much as I like this theory though, I do accept that it seems odd that a normal human (which the clone of John-117 would be) could discover a top secret military program. But I imagine there are possible ways he could be made aware of it. I do, though, concede that it seems unlikely.


I haven't read the books myself, but I recall someone mentioning that the clones used to replace the children all died in infancy. If they could make viable clones, then why not just take the DNA of the kids they wanted and leave the originals with their parents?
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I just have to interject - I think that if Bungie introduces a secondary playable character to Halo 2, you'll feel a bigger player backlash than when people found out about Raiden. People like playing as Master Chief, just like they like Snake, and like hearing Cortana.

Plus, the theatrical trailer is rather Master Chief-centric, don't you think?

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[quote="Heresiarch"]
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I haven't read the books myself, but I recall someone mentioning that the clones used to replace the children all died in infancy. If they could make viable clones, then why not just take the DNA of the kids they wanted and leave the originals with their parents?


I believed something along those lines after reading The Fall of Reach. But then in The Flood it mentions that the children were taken, cloned, and the clones returned to their parents without the parents suspecting a thing (at least I think I recall reading that; I'm too tired/lazy to look that up right now). Granted, the author of The Flood is a different author than The Fall of Reach and First Strike, so it's possible he just made a factual error (which would sufficiently kill any thought of J^2 being a John-117 clone), but even if it is an error, "C" theory could still be possible, just with a different rescuer. Nevertheless, according to The Flood novel, it could be a clone of John-117. (Which I think makes for the interesting possibility of Master Chief vs himself. Sure, his unaugmented clone would be no match, but if they did have to fight for some reason, could he kill himself? And I'm asking that idlely, I don't expect to start discussion on that aspect).
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no the flash clones die around the age of 20 from brain anurisums
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But for all this speculation of J^2's real identity, why couldn't Jersey just have agreed to let Durga find out? Grrrrr.
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realy realy off topic but very cool


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D3V3ST8R said...
check out this theory. It's super good. I Just Hope its wrong.

Subject: Halo 2 Theory (involving www.ilovebees.com) -Please Read-



I figured my theories need to be canonized and posted somewhere where all can read. They get lost in the other topic, which, at this moment, has surpassed 300 pages.

If you haven't kept up-to-date with all of the stuff on www.ilovebees.com, this might confuse you. Hang in there.

The Flood and Varrao Mites

I'm sure you've all noticed a particular sound that plays as you access the page titled "the Hive". With some help, I've found out something interesting. That sound is the sound a queen bee makes. Not only that, but the queen bee only makes this sound when she is trapped. The sound is a call for her bees to come and protect her, and she only makes this noise when her life is in danger. Sound familiar? It should. It's the same general message relayed through the scattered texts around the site. Trapped...endangered...all alone...

Second, on the "honey" page, Aunt M. tells us she can't produce more honey at the moment due to an infection of "varrao mites". (Note: I have noticed alternate spellings of this mite. One is spelled 'varrao', the other 'varroa', although they appear to be the same mite.)

On further inspection, the mites seem to have some characteristics that ring a bell. They attach onto their chosen host and cause deformities, eventually resulting in death. Another effect of these destructive mites is "queenlessness". In other words, these mites cause the colony to be without a leader. This sounds like something we're familiar with, doesn't it? Think Captain Keyes and the Flood.

It has become clear that the varrao mites are an integral part of this puzzle. Whoever narrarates the texts throughout the site speaks often of an eight-legged creature. This creature steals the narrator's thoughts. The narrator then goes on to say he or she has become a monster. It's all in the texts.

I have come to believe that this eight-legged creature is none other than a Flood infection form. I also believe the infection form is too similar to the varrao mite to be purely coincidental. See for yourself. The similarities don't just stop with text. The varrao mite even looks like a Flood infection form. Don't believe me? Check it out:

http://www.uky.edu/Agriculture/Entomology/entfacts/struct/ef608.htm

Three Swords

From what I gather, there are three "swords" present in this evolving story. Each sword is harnessed by a different race and used to combat the Flood. The swords, while not literally being a sword in the Halo Universe, have historical ties.

Cortana is the first, and most obvious sword. The well-known AI is used by the humans as a weapon against the Flood. Not only this, but Cortana is the name of a literal sword, part of Charlemagne's tale. When the sword struck, it dealt a fatal blow.

There are two other swords present in Charlemagne's tale. We'll get to that soon enough.

The second sword is Dana, who you all know to be the creator of www.ilovebees.com . Her site, and her, in a way, are being harnessed by the Covenant. As I said, the varrao mites are key. These mites, a.k.a. the Flood, have affected the Covenant far worse than they have us. It is possible they have infected a Prophet. I'm not clear on all of this just yet, but it seems that Dana is a way for the Covenant to communicate their cries for help. They are in more danger than us Humans are.

In Charlemagne's tale, the second sword is named Durandal, which is a name I'm sure most of you are familiar with. Durandal is sometimes referred to as Durandana.

Cortana and Durandana are both AIs. I can only assume the third and final sword is also an AI.

Two swords, two races. We are left with one more.

I quickly gathered that the Forerunner were the final race. It seemed obvious enough that the Halos were the tools they used to combat the Flood. However, I then realized the "sword" itself has to be a single entity. Another AI would make sense.

Sticking with the story of Charlemagne, one final blade remains. Joyeuse, the sword which the King used himself, has to be the last sword in this puzzle. Harnessed by the Forerunner, Joyeuse is an AI related to the Halos, which they use in order to defeat the Flood.

Although the AI Joyeuse remains to be seen, I am considering the idea that it might be a higher AI than 343 Guilty Spark. Perhaps it is one that governs over the entire network of Halos. Whatever the role Joyeuse the AI plays, it is surely an important one.

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Well that's it. Thanks for reading, and if you think you know something that could add to my theory, please share. Even if you have some evidence that disproves it, you are welcome to share that.

8/25/2004 05:08:01 PM


best theory yet
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zerosknightmare wrote:
realy realy off topic but very cool

best theory yet


actually... completely off-topic and not cool at all

really, this is the most intelligently written piece of "OMGWTFBBQ!!!!1" i've ever read, but that still doesn't change the fact of what it is... pure ungrounded spec based off of Marathon and the writer's own Halo fetishes... and it has NOTHING to do with this topic.... and furthurmore:

STOP SPAMMING THE BOARDS WITH THIS GIANT POST, it already has its own topic by the guy who freakin wrote it! why do you have to cram it in to every freakin topic now? Cursing mods, could you please clean this spam out?
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re the military base idea: yes, apparently she's a military brat.

a) she lives on the 4th floor of the dorm (?) and our friend Jersey lives on the first (?)

b) "the guys turtled a Razorback", ie flipped a military jeep, which they were driving without permission but obviously had access to

c) she was sneaking into the secure area - to return the pass they used to check out the jeep, possibly, so her fellow brats wouldn't get in trouble.

d) it was a civilian police lab that was burned. No proof I can see that the base had a military lab the MP's could have used. (Open to correction of course.)

Sorry if trout but it seems relevant to whether this is a covert civilian or covert military way of hiding Jan.

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[WILD SPEC]: Something tells me that Jan won't be a playable character even if she is in Halo 2. Why? Ackerson's a bad guy. He hates the Spartan IIs. If anything, I think they're meant to help out the Spartan IIs, but perhaps because of a side effect of the process/training that they go through, they're very unreliable and mischievious. Thus, we can see that Jan sneaking into the military base just for "fun" as the first in many incidents where Spartan IIIs start going awry. Just a thought. And yes, I'm pretty sure somewhere in Halo 2 Ackerson will come very close to destroying Earth himself, mainly because he's evil.

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Re: Jan in Halo 2

Just because Raiden had a group backlash does not mean that Halo fans would revolt at the same idea.

Maybe one does COOP missions with Jan, which is a HUGE thing for Halo (you and a buddy can compete in levels), so while you have an option to switch between the two characters, both are available in the map.

Bungie likes big surprises also. To give you an idea, for the original Halo, there was no mention of the Flood prior to the games release, people thought it was just a Human vs Covenant fight on a ring.

And then there was this "oh sh*t" moment in "I wish i had a shotgun" where you see the flood for the first time.

MasterChief is old and busted, Jan is new hotness.

But Jan doesn't have the combat experience so the two would need to work together.

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Re: [SPEC] Who is Jan?/Col. Ackerson/sIII

Bobman wrote:
This also links in with the strange "spike on the baseline" in hey_dad when Jan calls James James "Dad". Col. Ackerson's project may involve significant genetic engineering and enhancement. Therefore, while J^2 is raising Janissary LIKE a father, he is NOT her genetic father. Therefore, a strange blip when she says "Hey Dad". Not exactly truth, but not exactly a lie either.[/i]


I assumed that machine just showed varying brain activity, when her father came in, she got a bit nervous or something..

like modern day lie detectors..
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